Spencer Brown Dolphins Game

[Ethan in Cleveland]

I thought a chronic whipping boy deserved his own thread.  I just re-watched the entire game and I thought Brown played one of his best all around games. I count 3 negative plays. He looked quite good run blocking. I saw 3 times he was beaten in the pass rush.  I'm not counting the Allen strip sack.  It was his man that got the sack but Brown rode him 10 yards past the LOS and far out of the play.  You can say he should have been with him longer but I think that sack is more on Allen.  I saw three times where he was beaten fairly cleanly with outside speed rushes but none of them resulted in negative plays.  In fact one was on the Knox TD catch.  Early on he seemed to give a bit too much ground on bull rushes but ultimately held his ground after giving up a couple steps.  

Two highlights I will mention.  First was the Allen fumble recovery.  But perhaps his finest moment was 1:1 blocking on the Cook TD catch.  He stayed with his guy and as Allen rolled past him to the right he didn't hold his opponent. He just kept his feet moving and stayed in front of him.  So often as the QB rolls and the defender starts to chase, the O-line will grab and hold.  Really solid play that as we all know took a full 8 seconds.  

Look forward to what the board thinks.

[Philo]

I don't watch closely enough or know enough to comment on his blocking though I have to say the fumble recovery certainly was huge. The Bills have had abysmal luck on bounces when it comes to fumbles this season, so him securing that one to preserve the TD drive was extremely clutch. I still have hope he'll develop further and improve his blocking...likely a more noticeable jump next season, but maybe we'll see it start here for the playoff push? That would be sweet.

[Big Turk]

14 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I thought a chronic whipping boy deserved his own thread.  I just re-watched the entire game and I thought Brown played one of his best all around games. I count 3 negative plays. He looked quite good run blocking. I saw 3 times he was beaten in the pass rush.  I'm not counting the Allen strip sack.  It was his man that got the sack but Brown rode him 10 yards past the LOS and far out of the play.  You can say he should have been with him longer but I think that sack is more on Allen.  I saw three times where he was beaten fairly cleanly with outside speed rushes but none of them resulted in negative plays.  In fact one was on the Knox TD catch.  Early on he seemed to give a bit too much ground on bull rushes but ultimately held his ground after giving up a couple steps.  

Two highlights I will mention.  First was the Allen fumble recovery.  But perhaps his finest moment was 1:1 blocking on the Cook TD catch.  He stayed with his guy and as Allen rolled past him to the right he didn't hold his opponent. He just kept his feet moving and stayed in front of him.  So often as the QB rolls and the defender starts to chase, the O-line will grab and hold.  Really solid play that as we all know took a full 8 seconds.  

Look forward to what the board thinks.

 

He had a pretty nice pull/trap block on one of Cook's runs 

[BBills_88]

I'm glad he had a good game, hopefully he can continue to improve throughout the season and Playoffs.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

He's been inconsistent, some games pretty good, other games bad, but the posters who want something to complain about, will view every game as poor.  There's another whole thread about the line and how terrible he is and needs to be replaced next season.

[947]

I noticed he was solid this week too, it's been a while since that could be said. I have to wonder if his back was still not 100% most of the year & is now getting there.

[Eastport bills]

29 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I thought a chronic whipping boy deserved his own thread.  I just re-watched the entire game and I thought Brown played one of his best all around games. I count 3 negative plays. He looked quite good run blocking. I saw 3 times he was beaten in the pass rush.  I'm not counting the Allen strip sack.  It was his man that got the sack but Brown rode him 10 yards past the LOS and far out of the play.  You can say he should have been with him longer but I think that sack is more on Allen.  I saw three times where he was beaten fairly cleanly with outside speed rushes but none of them resulted in negative plays.  In fact one was on the Knox TD catch.  Early on he seemed to give a bit too much ground on bull rushes but ultimately held his ground after giving up a couple steps.  

Two highlights I will mention.  First was the Allen fumble recovery.  But perhaps his finest moment was 1:1 blocking on the Cook TD catch.  He stayed with his guy and as Allen rolled past him to the right he didn't hold his opponent. He just kept his feet moving and stayed in front of him.  So often as the QB rolls and the defender starts to chase, the O-line will grab and hold.  Really solid play that as we all know took a full 8 seconds.  

Look forward to what the board thinks.

Brown is a nasty,athletic monster that will be a dominant tackle in a short period of time. He is a road grader and his optimistic upside is that he will be consistent pass protector. I’ll take this guy going forward and concentrate on a center and guard in the off-season 

[mannc]

33 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I thought a chronic whipping boy deserved his own thread.  I just re-watched the entire game and I thought Brown played one of his best all around games. I count 3 negative plays. He looked quite good run blocking. I saw 3 times he was beaten in the pass rush.  I'm not counting the Allen strip sack.  It was his man that got the sack but Brown rode him 10 yards past the LOS and far out of the play.  You can say he should have been with him longer but I think that sack is more on Allen.  I saw three times where he was beaten fairly cleanly with outside speed rushes but none of them resulted in negative plays.  In fact one was on the Knox TD catch.  Early on he seemed to give a bit too much ground on bull rushes but ultimately held his ground after giving up a couple steps.  

Two highlights I will mention.  First was the Allen fumble recovery.  But perhaps his finest moment was 1:1 blocking on the Cook TD catch.  He stayed with his guy and as Allen rolled past him to the right he didn't hold his opponent. He just kept his feet moving and stayed in front of him.  So often as the QB rolls and the defender starts to chase, the O-line will grab and hold.  Really solid play that as we all know took a full 8 seconds.  

Look forward to what the board thinks.

I did not pay particular attention to Brown, but I thought the O-line as a whole had a very good game, especially in pass pro.  As you point out, the strip sack by Phillips was really because Josh held the ball too long. 

 

I could not help noticing that Bradley Chubb was a complete non-factor.  He lined up mostly on the Dolphins' right edge (against Dawkins) and he never even got a whiff of Josh.  I could not be more delighted that the Dolphins traded a first round pick for this guy (and gave him a ton of money).  He looks like a JAG. 

 

  

[Beck Water]

37 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I thought a chronic whipping boy deserved his own thread.  I just re-watched the entire game and I thought Brown played one of his best all around games. I count 3 negative plays. He looked quite good run blocking. I saw 3 times he was beaten in the pass rush.  I'm not counting the Allen strip sack.  It was his man that got the sack but Brown rode him 10 yards past the LOS and far out of the play.  You can say he should have been with him longer but I think that sack is more on Allen.  I saw three times where he was beaten fairly cleanly with outside speed rushes but none of them resulted in negative plays.  In fact one was on the Knox TD catch.  Early on he seemed to give a bit too much ground on bull rushes but ultimately held his ground after giving up a couple steps.  

Two highlights I will mention.  First was the Allen fumble recovery.  But perhaps his finest moment was 1:1 blocking on the Cook TD catch.  He stayed with his guy and as Allen rolled past him to the right he didn't hold his opponent. He just kept his feet moving and stayed in front of him.  So often as the QB rolls and the defender starts to chase, the O-line will grab and hold.  Really solid play that as we all know took a full 8 seconds.  

Look forward to what the board thinks.

 

I'm not sure I agree with giving him a pass on the Strip sack.  It's like, yeah, it's extending the clock on the play a long time, but that's Allen's game.

 

Hopefully he continues to improve.  I hope he won't need surgery and will be able to put in a full off season of strength training at an NFL level this year.

[Goin Breakdown]

Sal was saying that his issues come from blocking shorter defenders. Makes sense I guess. 

[Beck Water]

6 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

Sal was saying that his issues come from blocking shorter defenders. Makes sense I guess. 

 

Which is why it would not make a lot of sense to move Brown to guard as some are suggesting (maybe that's in another thread)

[3rdnlng]

53 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I thought a chronic whipping boy deserved his own thread.  I just re-watched the entire game and I thought Brown played one of his best all around games. I count 3 negative plays. He looked quite good run blocking. I saw 3 times he was beaten in the pass rush.  I'm not counting the Allen strip sack.  It was his man that got the sack but Brown rode him 10 yards past the LOS and far out of the play.  You can say he should have been with him longer but I think that sack is more on Allen.  I saw three times where he was beaten fairly cleanly with outside speed rushes but none of them resulted in negative plays.  In fact one was on the Knox TD catch.  Early on he seemed to give a bit too much ground on bull rushes but ultimately held his ground after giving up a couple steps.  

Two highlights I will mention.  First was the Allen fumble recovery.  But perhaps his finest moment was 1:1 blocking on the Cook TD catch.  He stayed with his guy and as Allen rolled past him to the right he didn't hold his opponent. He just kept his feet moving and stayed in front of him.  So often as the QB rolls and the defender starts to chase, the O-line will grab and hold.  Really solid play that as we all know took a full 8 seconds.  

Look forward to what the board thinks.

You make some good points. Brown is a huge tackle that most likely spent his college days dominating in the run game and more than holding() his own in pass protection. His competition was such that his size afforded him a real advantage. In the pros, that size is still an advantage in the run game but he needs to work on his techniques in pass protection. It's a rare O-lineman that excels in the run and passing aspects of football but Spencer's size naturally puts him on third base to start and his athleticism allows him the opportunity to become excellent in pass protection. His nastiness would bring smiles from Conrad Dobler and Richie Incognito.  

[fergie's ire]

I also remember a young left tackle, either Cordy Glenn or Snowman (maybe both?) who showed promise the first year, took a step back the second year and then was much better from year 3 on.  The person in question had a revolving door at LG the 2nd year which, in addition to still learning the position, was a huge part of the problem.  I wonder if that is part of the problem.  Brown keeps learning and if we eventually get RG solidified, he might show great improvement.

[Pasaluki]

He has good athleticism but consistentcy is key. When he's good he's really good especially when he can get to the 2nd level he starts mauling people. 

[Goin Breakdown]

25 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Which is why it would not make a lot of sense to move Brown to guard as some are suggesting (maybe that's in another thread)

Yeah when you have to squat to block you'd be off balance so yeah makes sense to a guy like me who knows nothing 

[WideNine]

I actually thought he had a better all-around game too and that will be sweet if he is finally playing himself back into form. Had a key pulling trap block that freed motor on our game winning drive too. 

 

I also laid some of that strip sack on Allen because he did hold the ball for a long time - Spencer has to stay on his feet and on his man though with a QB like Allen who lives and dies by extending plays...

 

He had back surgery and who knows how long or if he would recover his old form. He could have a worse teacher than Kromer in regards to techniques to help against those wide 9 fast DE's with good bend. Tough assignment, but many teams are putting their best rusher on the right side these days. So just having to find that elite LT is a bit misleading, you have to have a good RT too.

 

 

 

[NewEra]

6 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I thought a chronic whipping boy deserved his own thread.  I just re-watched the entire game and I thought Brown played one of his best all around games. I count 3 negative plays. He looked quite good run blocking. I saw 3 times he was beaten in the pass rush.  I'm not counting the Allen strip sack.  It was his man that got the sack but Brown rode him 10 yards past the LOS and far out of the play.  You can say he should have been with him longer but I think that sack is more on Allen.  I saw three times where he was beaten fairly cleanly with outside speed rushes but none of them resulted in negative plays.  In fact one was on the Knox TD catch.  Early on he seemed to give a bit too much ground on bull rushes but ultimately held his ground after giving up a couple steps.  

Two highlights I will mention.  First was the Allen fumble recovery.  But perhaps his finest moment was 1:1 blocking on the Cook TD catch.  He stayed with his guy and as Allen rolled past him to the right he didn't hold his opponent. He just kept his feet moving and stayed in front of him.  So often as the QB rolls and the defender starts to chase, the O-line will grab and hold.  Really solid play that as we all know took a full 8 seconds.  

Look forward to what the board thinks.

That’s great.  I did the same thing.  Lost my focus on a couple plays- but watched around 80% of his snaps-  thoroughly impressed with his play-  we helped chip his man on a few plays, but he more than held his own.

[Rubes]

Nothing to add, just want to say I appreciate those of you who go back and look at these things. I was wondering how he did.

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

He single handily saved the game. 

 

Dolphins scored a FG off the first strip sack. The very next play Josh touches ball, he fumbles.  Brown recovers.  The rest is history. 

 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

6 hours ago, fergie's ire said:

I also remember a young left tackle, either Cordy Glenn or Snowman (maybe both?) who showed promise the first year, took a step back the second year and then was much better from year 3 on.  The person in question had a revolving door at LG the 2nd year which, in addition to still learning the position, was a huge part of the problem.  I wonder if that is part of the problem.  Brown keeps learning and if we eventually get RG solidified, he might show great improvement.

I dont think RG has much to do with ut. When he has been beaten badly it is with an outside speed rush