No interceptions since Minny game and lucky on a few fumble recoveries

[Billsfan1972]

Another reason the defense is not looking good is the lack of interceptions and big plays.  Fourth down stops I don't count and fumbles are really 50/50 propositions (unless strip sacks).

 

Face it a little lucky vs. NYJ (got two fumbles), but would be nice to get an int and give the offense a short field.

Edited December 18, 2022 by Billsfan1972

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

We didn't get lucky against the Jets, we sent their QB to the hospital with clean hits and won the game.

 

Also, if you don't count fourth down stops as big plays then, well, I don't know what to tell you!

[NewEra]

Wth is going on

[JerseyBills]

On the opposite side,  Allen fumbled twice , they recovered 1 , so 50/50. 4th down stops are huge plays. We had at least 1 dropped int vs Jets and Tua , I hate to give him a complement,  is very accurate and has only a handful of ints all year. The D is fine. The turnovers will come.. 

[Royale with Cheese]

Par for the course.

[Billsfan1972]

13 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

We didn't get lucky against the Jets, we sent their QB to the hospital with clean hits and won the game.

 

Also, if you don't count fourth down stops as big plays then, well, I don't know what to tell you!

Are you calling the Jets 4th & 10 to end the game a turnover?  

 

Only other in the 5 games was vs. Cleveland.

 

And yes in came Flacco the statue and we got the strip fumble the first play.

Edited December 18, 2022 by Billsfan1972

[Bob in STL]

14 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Another reason the defense is not looking good is the lack of interceptions and big plays.  Fourth down stops I don't count and fumbles are really 50/50 propositions (unless strip sacks).

 

Face it a little lucky vs. NYJ, but would be nice to get an int and give the offense a short field.

 

Defense not looking good?   Coming into the game they held the Pats* to 10 and the Jets to 12 - with Von Miller and other key players out of the lineup/

 

Very illogical logic in bold.  

 

Our defense is not perfect, but it is one of the better ones in the league.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Wth is going on

We suck again 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

19 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Another reason the defense is not looking good is the lack of interceptions and big plays.  Fourth down stops I don't count and fumbles are really 50/50 propositions (unless strip sacks).

 

Face it a little lucky vs. NYJ, but would be nice to get an int and give the offense a short field.

Fumbles are luck? Lol a lot of times they’re great tackles/defensive plays.  Why don’t fourth down stops count as big plays? 

[BuffaloRebound]

White and Johnson were getting very close to picks last night.  Problem last night was Hamlin was a step late on a couple balls that were in the air a long time.  

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Are you calling the Jets 4th & 10 to end the game a turnover?  

 

And yes in came Flacco the statue and we got the strip fumble the first play.

In your OP you cite the “lack of big plays” and then start the sentence with 4th down stops don’t count.

[chongli]

24 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Another reason the defense is not looking good is the lack of interceptions and big plays.  Fourth down stops I don't count and fumbles are really 50/50 propositions (unless strip sacks).

 

Face it a little lucky vs. NYJ, but would be nice to get an int and give the offense a short field.

 

Would have been awesome if we could have recovered that Tua fumble like Miami recovered Josh's fumble in September. It just happened to shoot out directly to the lone Miami player.

 

[BTW, when I googled "Buffalo at Miami boxscore", it gave me the boxscore of yesterday's game at Buffalo lol.]

Edited December 18, 2022 by chongli

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

We suck again 

Not sure why I even watch anymore.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, NewEra said:

Not sure why I even watch anymore.  

Woe is us 

[Billsfan1972]

Again thanks for missing the point.  No Ints in 5 games (close doesn't count this isn't horseshoes or hand grenades).  

 

Fumbles in a scrum can bounce anywhere, so yes recoveries are often a random occurance (many articles confirm that).

 

Only two 4th down stops in the last 5 games (one ended the game on 4th & 10). 

 

Meanwhile if you're going to obsess over 4th down the Bills have been bad the last 5 weeks.

 

Cleveland 1 for 2

Detroit 3 for 3

NE 1 for 1

NYJ 0 for 1 (4th & 10 to end the game)

Mia 1 for 1 

 

So opposition converting 6 for 8 or 75%  

 

For the season conversion rate is 48% throughout the league.

Edited December 18, 2022 by Billsfan1972

[Billsfan1972]

Just did a deeper dive.  Bills are +1 in Turnovers during the year.  They started off on fire with 8 the first two games and then two each vs. Baltimore, Pitt & KC....  

 

As said since the bye only an Int vs. Rodgers and 2 vs. Cousins and none the last 5 games.  They've relied on fumbles with 2 vs. NYJ (second game) and heck two vs. Detroit. 

 

As stated above too, 4th down conversions they have allowed too many 16/27, which means teams are going for it a lot vs. Buffalo (actually most in the league).

 

Third down conversions for the #4 Defense is too middle of the pack.

 

Haven't found average yards to go stat.   

 

So what this tells me is that they were very good early in the season and as said, no ints the last 5 games, have benefitted from fumbles and as said allowed 6-8 4th down conversions.

 

Let's hope it changes soon.

[teef]

So deep. 

[eball]

I’m pretty happy with the defensive adjustments made at halftime on Saturday.  First half, the Bills were clearly trying to take away Tua’s bread and butter throws by forcing receivers outside, and it left them exposed to the run.  Second half they brought more pressure and pretty much stuffed the run.  Miami’s two TDs in the 2nd half were a busted coverage on Waddle and a short field thanks to Cam Lewis.  D then shut them down the rest of the way and allowed Josh to do his thing.

 

I’m not “worried” about the defense at all, and I think as Tre continues to work back into form we’ll see some picks soon.

 

I’m extremely curious about the Micah Hyde situation…nobody is saying anything, but I can’t be the only one with a sneaking suspicion we may see #23 on the postseason roster…

 

[Billsfan1972]

14 minutes ago, teef said:

So deep. 

Appreciate it as always.  At least I didn't start a new thread?😉

 

Yes I think that no ints is an issue.  The fumbles they've recovered are as said often a 50/50 proposition.  

 

Bills btw have recovered quite a few fumbles (it is incorrect below, but they have recovered over 50% of FF).

 

https://www.nfl.com/stats/team-stats/defense/fumbles/2022/reg/all

Edited December 20, 2022 by Billsfan1972

[balln]

18 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Just did a deeper dive.  Bills are +1 in Turnovers during the year.  They started off on fire with 8 the first two games and then two each vs. Baltimore, Pitt & KC....  

 

As said since the bye only an Int vs. Rodgers and 2 vs. Cousins and none the last 5 games.  They've relied on fumbles with 2 vs. NYJ (second game) and heck two vs. Detroit. 

 

As stated above too, 4th down conversions they have allowed too many 16/27, which means teams are going for it a lot vs. Buffalo (actually most in the league).

 

Third down conversions for the #4 Defense is too middle of the pack.

 

Haven't found average yards to go stat.   

 

So what this tells me is that they were very good early in the season and as said, no ints the last 5 games, have benefitted from fumbles and as said allowed 6-8 4th down conversions.

 

Let's hope it changes soon.

Get ready folks. This D is no better than last years. And prob worse in terms of players. You essentially don’t have Jerry , Mario and Hyde. They are sliding big time. 
 

add tre. Settle doesn’t move the needle / isn’t appreciably different than Harrison Phillips. 
 

dQ isn’t an every down player and he’s really good but isn’t going to affect the pass rush in the way you need 

 

it’s all on Allen. And I’m worried about the OL

Edited December 20, 2022 by balln