Devin Singletary not scoring a TD with 34 seconds left

[Maine-iac]

1 minute ago, NUT said:

This is what bothers me. It sounds like Singletary decided to do this himself. Not good.

It didn't seem like that when McDermott was interviewed after the game.  Maybe I heard it wrong but he seemed like it had been discussed at the very least McDermott seemed quite happy about it.

[MRW]

3 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

Some could ask the same question about listening to you, we were tied at the time and a kick is not a given.

 

Folks are making a good argument that you take the points.

 

So that begs the question why did they not take the points, but instead chose to lie down at the one yard line and risk a kick missing and going  into OT?

 

It's a legit question.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The truth is either call probably would've worked. I think it all hinges on how difficult you think the conditions made the FG. Would you agree that in normal weather conditions Singletary 100% should've gone down?

[Since1981]

McDermott said they practice singletary “no mas”. I don’t agree in this particular case. Guaranteed 6 pts :30 in snow, I would take the pts 
 

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/12/18/sean-mcdermott-praises-devin-singletary-for-not-scoring-touchdown-on-final-carry/

 

frankly, this is the kind of coach argument I like. I’m literally disagreeing with what he did that worked. 

Edited December 18, 2022 by Since1981

[Maine-iac]

Just now, WideNine said:

 

Even Allen admitted that he was bailed out and knew he was supposed to throw that ball quickly or throw it away to allow a kick before the half.

 

I think most of the negatives coming from former QB game commentators directed at Allen that sound like sour grapes is that Allen, more often than not, gets away with breaking all the rules.

 

Rules they could never have gotten away with breaking because Allen is a freak of nature.

 

 

 

I agree.  I was screaming at the TV, "what the hell are you doing", and then TD.  That said i saw Motor go down and I was like, that makes sense.  I get the logic.  When you've been beaten multiiple times in the last seconds of games you would rather have the ball in your hands as the last second ticks off.  It's essentially an extra point.

[newcam2012]

30 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

That's nice. Statistically you are wrong. Are you smarter than math? The chances of giving up a 80 yard TD in 34 seconds against noodle arm Tua is close to 0%, probably as high as 2%. The chances of making any FG of that length, roughly extra point distance, is around 93% on a good day so it's already a toss up in which option you choose, and then you add the slippery and harder ball and it makes the snap, hold, and kick much more difficult. It's really not close when you look at the analytics 

What did analytics say about Allen fumbling a QB sneak in the end zone? The best coaches can play the game by feel especially if he knows his team and the circumstances. Analytics never tell the whole story. Personally, I wanted the TD but I completely respect and understand the Bills decision to kick the FG. Bass knows how to kick in under those situations. It was a 25 harder and the wind was not a factor. Nevertheless, I was jumping up and down with anxiety prior to the winning kick. 

[WideNine]

Just now, MRW said:

 

The truth is either call probably would've worked. I think it all hinges on how difficult you think the conditions made the FG. Would you agree that in normal weather conditions Singletary 100% should've gone down?

 

Tough call as there have only been a very few cases where players have intentionally stopped before the goal line.

 

Certainly not enough times and situations to create any meaningful analytics.

 

In the absence of that you are left with coaches going with their hunches.

 

It was clear that McD had more confidence that they could run off the clock and that Bass would kick the game winner than he had with us scoring and leaving Miami 30+ seconds and I think they still had 1 or 2 timeouts left.

 

 

 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

3 hours ago, JTown said:

I don't get it.  Yes it worked in our favor this time however,  with the field conditions deteriorating.   The field goal was NOT a given.   What would we be feeling like today if Bass slipped,  missed or the FG was blocked.  IMO,  I would have liked to see Singletary score and defend the 34 seconds in those weather conditions. 

 

I thought I saw Singletary running the ball and going down, not McD??

 

Or did McD call the entire offense over at the 2 minute warning and tell them, what ever you do, don't score?

 

Having said that I do think it was risky not scoring due to conditions, but that was on Singletary and/or the guys in the huddle.

[MRW]

1 minute ago, WideNine said:

 

Tough call as there have only been a very few cases where players have intentionally stopped before the goal line.

 

Certainly not enough times and situations to create any meaningful analytics.

 

In the absence of that you are left with coaches going with their hunches.

 

It was clear that McD had more confidence that they could run off the clock and that Bass would kick the game winner than he had with us scoring and leaving Miami 30+ seconds and I think they still had 1 or 2 timeouts left.

 

 

 

 

Maybe that's where we differ, to me it is absolutely a no-brainer in pristine conditions. The only thing that gave me pause last night was the weather.

[Doc]

It was the right decision.  It looked like Devin, after downshifting so as to not score a TD, looked to see where the first down marker was and was trying to get past it, but the Dols defenders got him before he could get there.  No harm no foul as the Bills were able to get the clock to 3 seconds and kick the FG.  And if they can't make that FG in the dying moments of a bad weather game in Buffalo...

[WideNine]

1 minute ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

I thought I saw Singletary running the ball and going down, not McD??

 

Or did McD call the entire offense over at the 2 minute warning and tell them, what ever you do, don't score?

 

Having said that I do think it was risky not scoring due to conditions, but that was on Singletary and/or the guys in the huddle.

 

Good question about maybe Singletary acted on his own.

 

No way to know for sure. Seems like a hell of a risky move for a player to decide on his own.

 

I could see the offense being told to leave as little time on the clock as possible as we still had one timeout to stop the clock.

 

 

 

 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

3 hours ago, WhoTom said:

Yeah, I was in the "he should have scored the TD" camp for the reasons you gave. Ideally, you want to leave no time on the clock, but this ain't Mahomes we're dealing with. I doubt Tua could engineer a miraculous TD drive in the snow with 30 seconds and no TOs.

 

 

I mean Joe freakin Flacco did it earlier this year to beat the Browns I think? I didn’t like it either, but I understand the thought process. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

Good question about maybe Singletary acted on his own.

 

No way to know for sure. Seems like a hell of a risky move for a player to decide on his own.

 

I could see the offense being told to leave as little time on the clock as possible as we still had one timeout to stop the clock.

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah could see the players talking about it in the huddle.

[WideNine]

17 minutes ago, RJ (not THAT RJ) said:

 

It is a legit question. It is not a legit statement to say that the decision to play for the kick shows lack of faith in the defense. That’s just people looking to carp about McD. 

 

I have no problem saying I am not 100% confident that our secondary would not give up a long pass for a score.

 

Guess I am the only one that has seen them do this... recently too.

 

 

 

[RJ (not THAT RJ)]

2 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

I have no problem saying I am not 100% confident that our secondary would not give up a long pass for a score.

 

Guess I am the only one that has seen them do this... recently too.

 

 

 

you can say it. Heck, I’ll say it too. But we can’t say we know what McD was thinking. And we certainly can’t jump to the conclusion that he lacked confidence in his D when he made his decision. 

[WideNine]

18 minutes ago, MRW said:

 

Maybe that's where we differ, to me it is absolutely a no-brainer in pristine conditions. The only thing that gave me pause last night was the weather.

 

I think some folks are confused that I am panning the decision.

 

I am not.

 

Just trying to think about what MAY have gone into that decision being made.

 

Of course we don't know for sure unless McD actually came out and said something to clarify his thoughts or direction given on that series.

 

I have not seen any consistency in this team's ability to break up the long passes ( think of all the 3rd and longs we surrender) and Miami has two solid burners with good hands.

 

I factor leaving them time on the clock with that in mind too.

 

 

 

Edited December 18, 2022 by WideNine

[Doc]

Players are coached to do what Devin did.  Some listen, some go for the stats.  Again it was the right play to ensure that regulation ended on a FG try.

[K-9]

Ask Nick Chubb if he thinks Motor made the right decision. 

[WideNine]

12 minutes ago, Doc said:

Players are coached to do what Devin did.  Some listen, some go for the stats.  Again it was the right play to ensure that regulation ended on a FG try.

 

I think it was the right decision because of how our defense was playing and because Miami has two really good deep threat receivers that can high point and catch contested balls.

 

The commentators last night were surprised by the move so I am not sure it is what all players are coached to do. And one played the game.

 

Then again it was Sanchez whose claim to fame is the butt fumble.

 

 

Edited December 18, 2022 by WideNine

[Casey D]

3 hours ago, ArtVandalay said:

Regardless of your thoughts whether he should have scored the TD, it was an absolutely bonehead play to go down short of the first. 

This post convinces me you are just a troll.  The rhetorical question to you post is Why?  What would have first down have gained that made it a bonehead play?  Think carefully.

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, pennstate10 said:

Let’s be clear, I doubt this was a thought that just popped into Singletarys head during the run. Given that it was an iffy decision, I’m sure that MCD said don’t score, no matter what. They’re not going to leave that decision to a 3th year RB. 
 

For the record, I thought it was a bad decision. You play to win the game. I saw psu lose a game against bama in exactly this way. Kicker missed from the 5 yd line as time ran out. 
 

and this game had a wintry mix. A gutsy, but unwise call in my opinion. 

I agree this came from the coach , but there’s nothing iffy about it. This isn’t college football either. You expect a routine kick to be made. You run the clock down and win the game; take many variables out of the equation and don’t give MIA an opportunity.