Devin Singletary not scoring a TD with 34 seconds left

[NoSaint]

6 minutes ago, KHAN said:

OK. So you obviously are confused about the down and time on the clock. The Singletary run was on second down. Miami called their last time out. We called a kneel down on 3rd down and ran the clock down to 2 seconds. Kicked the field goal to win.

Kicking on 2nd down or 4th down wouldn't have made any difference.

had Sanchez said “brilliant play, the kick will end the game” instead of “omg he didn’t get the first down” the general reaction would been different for many here. 

[Matt_In_NH]

21 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Doc, it's about providing the Bills room for error. You have severe weather conditions, anything goes wrong with the snap, hold, footing of Bass you are screwed.  

 

If you took the free first down, you kick the FG on 2nd. If something is wrong with the snap/ hold/ footing you tuck the ball down, kill the play call TO, then kick on 3rd.

 

You give yourself room for error in the extreme weather conditions. 

Can you list the times a team messed up a snap and then used the next down to kick a fg?   While possible this pretty much never happens.  

[Bob Jones]

1 minute ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Can you list the times a team messed up a snap and then used the next down to kick a fg?   While possible this pretty much never happens.  

Can you name a time when all a team had to do was take a routine snap, and kneel it down in order to win a game, but then fumbled away that snap, and went on to lose the game? 🤔 That pretty much never happens! 😉🤪

[Buffalo716]

I was 💯 sure it was the right play

 

I was screaming for devyn to fall down if he broke through the line of scrimmage…. 
 

No matter the conditions…. A professional long snapper and kicker will drill that short field goal 99-100 times 

 

And the smart thing is to never give the ball back to the dolphins

2 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

Can you name a time when all a team had to do was take a routine snap, and kneel it down in order to win a game, but then fumbled away that snap, and went on to lose the game? 🤔 That pretty much never happens! 😉🤪

We couldn’t take a snap and kneel it down because Josh was in the end zone

 

We were running a play… Probably sneak but we were not kneeling the ball

[Big Turk]

38 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

You must have missed this, which was posted in this thread earlier:

 

The most obvious answer is that they wouldn't be forced to kick the FG on 4th down. Get the 1st down, run a play (same play they ran on 3rd down), then stop the clock with the TO at about 10 seconds and kick the FG. That way, if there was a bad snap, a bad handle by Martin, or a slip/bad approach by Bass, they'd have a second chance at the FG. The latter would leave about 4-5 seconds (if the first FG try is good) on the clock. Then squib the kickoff and it's over.

 

Yeah that's wishful thinking. Did you see what happened when Allen's 2 point conversion was thought to be a fumble? Like 20 seconds of people slipping and sliding to get on the ball. There would have been no time left if the ball was mishandled.

[ArtVandalay]

3 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Can you list the times a team messed up a snap and then used the next down to kick a fg?   While possible this pretty much never happens.  

There's been a multitude of bad snaps/fumbled on FGs, especially in poor weather conditions... happens all the time. 

 

Vast majority of FGs occur on 4th down obviously, if they had the chance to down and re-kick they would. 

[folz]

I'm not sure why fans don't see that it was the right move. We watched Belichick win games against us like that for 20 years (managing the clock at the end of a game). We have also seen the Bills do this successfully a few times now over the last few years. It is textbook and absolutely the best way to assure a victory.

 

And not sure if anyone has mentioned it in other threads today, but Devin had a great game last night. Stat-wise it doesn't look like that much (70 yds from scrimmage, no TDs), but he was laying the lumber to the Dolphins at the end of his runs and in the blocking game (setting a tone)---he knocked a Miami pass rusher to his ass on one play---and then the unselfish play to help seal the game. Motor was ballin' last night.

[GunnerBill]

100% the right decision. Not even worth discussing.

[MarkyMannn]

33 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

Sadly, I have no problems envisioning that scenario.

 

 

I know right?👍😃

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

McD was seeing ghosts.

 

Ghosts of 13 seconds....

[NoSaint]

9 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Yeah that's wishful thinking. Did you see what happened when Allen's 2 point conversion was thought to be a fumble? Like 20 seconds of people slipping and sliding to get on the ball. There would have been no time left if the ball was mishandled.

yea, cause the only mishandle is it flying away, not slipping to the ground right in front of the holder

[Matt_In_NH]

16 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

Can you name a time when all a team had to do was take a routine snap, and kneel it down in order to win a game, but then fumbled away that snap, and went on to lose the game? 🤔 That pretty much never happens! 😉🤪

Not the same. Nice try.  Stay on topic

[NoSaint]

10 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

There's been a multitude of bad snaps/fumbled on FGs, especially in poor weather conditions... happens all the time. 

 

Vast majority of FGs occur on 4th down obviously, if they had the chance to down and re-kick they would. 

Also, most importantly, even if rare there’s no reason to risk home field advantage in the AFCCG just for lack of attention to detail

[Bob Jones]

1 minute ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Not the same. Nice try.  Stay on topic

You're right, it's not. A snap to a holder in cold, snowy weather, in a high pressure situation, is decidedly more dangerous/prone to mishap than a routine exchange between a center and a QB. 😉

[WideNine]

37 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Unselfish play by an unselfish player. 
 

Singletary has turned into a very smart RB who understands the game. He will get a nice payday this summer, but I’d love to see him back. 

 

He is not that shabby in protecting Allen chipping and picking up the occasional blitz either.

 

I like Motor, he is not going to break free and outrun the second level of defenders, but what he does do he does pretty well and as folks say - unselfish.

[BigAl2526]

I understand the reasoning for Singletary deciding to go down.  I don't agree with it.  With snow and wind, even a short field goal attempt is not a sure thing.  Going the other way, under the declining field and weather conditions, it was very unlikely for Tua and the Dolphins to be able to pull a Pat Mahomes type finish.

[Casey D]

51 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Dude, take your own advice.  Maybe you are just closed minded and lack strategic thinking. Don't know. Use your brain, it isn't that hard...

 

The run was on 2nd, Miami used their last TO. Buffalo kneeled on 3rd, took their 2nd TO.

 

You now have 4th Down, in severe weather conditions for the snap, hold, and approach by the kicker.  If something goes wrong you have no room for error, game goes to overtime. 

 

If you took 1 more step forward and took the free first down, the FG would have been on 2nd down, if something went wrong with the snap, hold, footing of Bass, you could have tucked the ball down,  call your final TO, then kick again. 

 

Class dismissed. 

Stick to architecture.  Your arrogance is profound.

[Matt_In_NH]

16 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

There's been a multitude of bad snaps/fumbled on FGs, especially in poor weather conditions... happens all the time. 

 

Vast majority of FGs occur on 4th down obviously, if they had the chance to down and re-kick they would. 

And this is where the pwin stats come in.  It takes everything into account.  

[Dr. K]

I think it was absolutely the right decision. Don't let the Dolphins touch the ball again--especially because they have Hill and Waddle. Listening to the play-by-play I thought, "This is why Sanchez is no longer in the league." 

[3rdand12]

The fact that Devin knew what Coach wanted and executed is fairly awesome. Especially when the heart and body want the TD ! Proud of his self discipline and awareness

 Love the Win 

Bills drive me crazy how they get it done but wow its sure is an adventure each week with this Team

 Go Bills