I hope the Bills invest heavily into the offensive line this offseason

[TheBeaneBandit]

On 12/19/2022 at 7:28 PM, Pete said:

Boogie was by far the highest rated player on Bills board and BPA

Well then the Bills board was crap because 9 out of 10 people AT LEAST knew Creed Humphrey was a much higher rated center than Boogie was as a what " utility defensive lineman" . As long as Morse can hold up Humphrey could of killed it at RG til it was time to slide over too. Sorry this one was a clear miss then, now, and forever.

[Simon Says]

On 12/18/2022 at 2:08 AM, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

They seem to like addressing one thing at a time. First it was skill positions, then it was the D-Line, and next will be O-line. They’ll have a high first round pick which is the perfect spot to get a quality Guard.

Or "low" depending on how you look at it.   

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

A lot of it is injury related…like everything else this year lol.  It’s pretty normal to be down an offensive linemen but since we were down boettger and bates too, van roten gets forced to play center when Mitch morse gets hurt. We were doing a great job against miamis front 7 before morse went down…it felt like josh had all day to throw the whole first half 
 

couple that with the fact that there just aren’t many good offensive linemen coming out of college anymore.  

Edited December 21, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[In Summary]

2 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

A lot of it is injury related…like everything else this year lol.  It’s pretty normal to be down an offensive linemen but since we were down boettger and bates too, van roten gets forced to play center when Mitch morse gets hurt. We were doing a great job against miamis front 7 before morse went down…it felt like josh had all day to throw the whole first half 
 

couple that with the fact that there just aren’t many good offensive linemen coming out of college anymore.  

 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

4 hours ago, Pete said:

Adding Gregory Rousseau, the defensive end from Miami who two seasons ago finished second in the nation in sacks, wasn''t good enough for the Buffalo Bills. They had to have Wake Forest defensive end Carlos "Boogie" Basham Jr. in the second round too.

In fact, if they couldn't get him with the 61st overall pick, they were going to trade down, according to general manager Brandon Beane.

"What we try to do prior to the draft is just set us up to take the best player on our board," he said. "That's what we've done."

https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/bills-hit-their-target-with-boogie-basham

Of course there gonna say that’s there best player on the board. Everybody and the mother knew Humphrey would of been the better pick at that time. Mof most of us here and Bills fans in general was shocked that Boogie was the pick.  I was in complete shock especially after taking Epenesa the previous yr with our highest Pk in the draft that made it 3 DEs picked in a row in the 1st & 2nd rd of back to back drafts.  I’ve never seen a team do that for any position in my 25 plus yrs of following the NFL draft. The point is at the end of the day that was a horrible pick and what happened we got Shaq for cheap and he’s better then Epenesa and Boogie.  U know that’s not good business to continue to draft at one position leaving the rest of your team in need of young talent.

[BillsVet]

4 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Well then the Bills board was crap because 9 out of 10 people AT LEAST knew Creed Humphrey was a much higher rated center than Boogie was as a what " utility defensive lineman" . As long as Morse can hold up Humphrey could of killed it at RG til it was time to slide over too. Sorry this one was a clear miss then, now, and forever.

 

The Basham pick just screamed he was a McD pick, so I guess everyone was aligned with that thinking or wouldn't challenge the defensive mindset leading up to the draft.  However they set the board up, it's leaned defense enough to notice after 6 drafts with McD.  

 

By now I would have expected Beane to make the case that their franchise QB needs more than what they've given him to work with.  They'll go offense this year, but it'll be a day late and a dollar short.  They needed that help earlier and it probably wouldn't have been a big loss to the defense.  

[Robert Paulson]

5 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Well then the Bills board was crap because 9 out of 10 people AT LEAST knew Creed Humphrey was a much higher rated center than Boogie was as a what " utility defensive lineman" . As long as Morse can hold up Humphrey could of killed it at RG til it was time to slide over too. Sorry this one was a clear miss then, now, and forever.

There are several comments on Creed Humphrey and I can not agree more.

 

He should have been the pick period. 

 

We need Josh for the next 10 years and not a broken down Cam Newton look alike in 5 years.

 

The front office might not get Josh killed but they will get him damaged to the point where he becomes average if they don't invest in the o line.

Edited December 21, 2022 by Robert Paulson

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

In the OP fugging dreams. Get ready for more D lineman. 😂 

[machine gun kelly]

It’s a bit early to talk about the draft, but I’m confident between FA and the Draft, we may see two new additions at G.  As long as Morse is ok the concussion side, we’re fine at the C and Tackles.

 

We also should address the WR spot and Safeties.

[Mark Vader]

What are our realistic options when the off season arrives?

 

How much cap space, roughly, are the Bills going to have?

 

Who are players that we can realistically sign in free agency?

 

As far as the draft goes, I do agree that Offensive Line & Wide Receiver are priorities, but I would not discount Safety, and Cornerback depth as well.

 

What OL position is more important? Center, Guard or Tackle?

 

Anyone have any answers to these questions? Please share your thoughts.

[LABILLBACKER]

On 12/18/2022 at 5:19 AM, JohnNord said:

This is definitely happening.  They will find a replacement for Saffold and I doubt they’ll go down the veteran stop gap route that they did this season w/ Saffold.  
 

Bigger question remains whether they move on from Brown.  They showed a lot of faith in him this season and he’s been just as inconsistent and injury prone as he was last year.  
 

Also the health of Mitch Morse now becomes a factor.  

We need good young olineman who we can develop on rookie contracts. No more dumpster diving behind the Titan loading dock. Saffold, Quessenberry and Van Rotten need to be replaced immediately.  And Brown might be next if he doesn't improve his first step on pass protection. Morse might retire after this season? That leaves Dawkins & Bates. If Beane's OL scouts are weak then he better figure it out. 

[LABILLBACKER]

On 12/21/2022 at 5:15 AM, TheBeaneBandit said:

Well then the Bills board was crap because 9 out of 10 people AT LEAST knew Creed Humphrey was a much higher rated center than Boogie was as a what " utility defensive lineman" . As long as Morse can hold up Humphrey could of killed it at RG til it was time to slide over too. Sorry this one was a clear miss then, now, and forever.

We've passed on several good olineman at the expense of Sean's insatiable defensive appetite. This has to be the year when common sense prevails and Beane steps in to over-ride McFrazier.

[TPS]

On 12/18/2022 at 2:08 AM, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

They seem to like addressing one thing at a time. First it was skill positions, then it was the D-Line, and next will be O-line. They’ll have a high first round pick which is the perfect spot to get a quality Guard.

They drafted 2 OTs and an IOL in 2021.

[NastyNateSoldiers]

On 12/21/2022 at 7:56 PM, Robert Paulson said:

There are several comments on Creed Humphrey and I can not agree more.

 

He should have been the pick period. 

 

We need Josh for the next 10 years and not a broken down Cam Newton look alike in 5 years.

 

The front office might not get Josh killed but they will get him damaged to the point where he becomes average if they don't invest in the o line.

An upgraded Oline and a elite Back will extend Josh career for years . 

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, TPS said:

They drafted 2 OTs and an IOL in 2021.

Doyle in the 5th and Anderson in the 7th. That's hardly a commitment to improving the OL. Spencer is barely hanging on. We gotta do better. Gotta draft OL higher. Creed over Boogie would've been huge.  Let Sean draft his DE'S in the 5th & 7th round where they likely don't even stick after 3 years. If we don't surround Josh with 5 amazing olineman, we'll waste his prime years.

[TPS]

21 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Doyle in the 5th and Anderson in the 7th. That's hardly a commitment to improving the OL. Spencer is barely hanging on. We gotta do better. Gotta draft OL higher. Creed over Boogie would've been huge.  Let Sean draft his DE'S in the 5th & 7th round where they likely don't even stick after 3 years. If we don't surround Josh with 5 amazing olineman, we'll waste his prime years.

I don't disagree. I was simply pointing out that they did use a bunch of picks in 2021.  It's too bad Doyle got hurt because word was he looked good, and maybe he could've given Brown a push at RT?  They also seemed to like the IOL Anderson who was snatched up by the Eagles when they tried to get and keep him on the PS last year. He's currently getting a little playing time for the Giants.  And, yes, it was disappointing they passed on Creed. 

 

Not trading Teller and picking Humphrey over Boogie, we're probably not having this thread....

[billsfan89]

The Bills likely need to bring in a vet RT to compete with Brown and add depth. The Bills also likely need to spend 2 picks in the first 4 rounds to bring in a right guard and a heir apparent/depth at center. They also likely need a couple more decent backups on the Oline. 

[SCBills]

I think we’ve got to stick it out with Brown at RT for next year and hope he makes a jump.  He’s far too talented, and we have too many other positions we may need to draft on Day 1 & Day 2 (WR, G/C, S).  
 

Id be perfectly happy if we go WR RD1 and then G/C in RD2.  If a guy like O’Cyrus Torrence is there in RD1 for us, maybe flip the order of those picks.  
 

If Morse retires, then that’s obviously another hole, but also frees up money to maybe offer Poyer a short term deal lucrative enough to stay.  

[FilthyBeast]

Everyone knows what this team needs to do in the offseason but the big challenge they are going to have is cap space in terms of trying to go after any impactful FA of note.

 

Also does anyone have faith in Beane to be able to adequately address this in the draft given his woeful history with drafting in the trenches?

 

Don't be surprised if this oline is even worse next year especially if Morse is gone which is highly likely given his contract and latest concussion.

[Nextmanup]

Top priority should be a star No. 2 WR IMO, and then the BULK of assets should be sent toward the OL.

 

We'll probably draft all defensive linemen.