I’m starting to get extremely frustrated with Dorsey.

[GottaRun]

Re: Dorsey - My seats are near an exit and in front of the booth where the coaches sit.  So I was able to get out of the stadium quickly.  When I was walking out near the ticket booth a golf cart with Dorsey and another coach went past me, Dorsey looked like a guy who's puppy had just been stolen, not like a guy who just watched his team win at the last second.  Made me wonder what's been said to him during the game.

Edited December 18, 2022 by GottaRun

[ColoradoBills]

12 hours ago, HaldimandBills said:

Its a combination of poor oline play. Josh Allen playing hero ball and forcing the ball downfield instead of taking the easy 5 to 8 yards. Davis being a # 3 receiver not a # 2. Mckenzie being a gadget player not a slot receiver. 

 

I think I'll hold back on outright critism considering Allen finally threw for over 300 yards again and 4 pass tds. 

 

It starts and ends with the OL IMO.  A better OL helps the running game and if Josh has a bit more time the passing game

is almost unstoppable.  

 

Does Dorsey need to get better in scheming and play calling?  Yes.  

Could the Bills use some better "skill players"?  Yes.

Could the above 2 points be less critical with a better OL?  YES.

 

I'm not one to doubt Brandon Beane very often, but OL has to be the number one position group to fix in the offseason.

 

[billykay]

12 hours ago, FireChans said:

That’s fine. I admit, it’s not like the Bills are bad.

 

Do you think the offense is operating to its full potential?

It seems like the Bill's offense plays better when in the hurry up mode. Is there a good reason why we can't do that a little more often ?

[Joe Ferguson forever]

OMG!  How many of you would have been happy to take 11-3 at this point if it could have been guaranteed before the season  vs no guarantee on 14-0?  It's fair to criticize anything I suppose but this is what success looks like.  Just win baby...

[GottaRun]

34 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

OMG!  How many of you would have been happy to take 11-3 at this point if it could have been guaranteed before the season  vs no guarantee on 14-0?  It's fair to criticize anything I suppose but this is what success looks like.  Just win baby...

It's just a basic question.  Is Dorsey improving the offense or is the offense making Dorsey look better than he is?   We can be happy while still questioning the play calling/performance of the team. 

 

Our O-line is suspect, short of Marshawn Lynch I haven't seen many running backs around here that can gain yards without a gap being created for them.  I thought Cook was meant to be more of a short pass catching running back, that seems like it could be effective with this team but it doesn't seem to be utilized much so far.  Why is that?  We've got to find a way to run the ball just enough to get the D to respect it.  

Edited December 18, 2022 by GottaRun

[NewEra]

13 hours ago, FireChans said:

Here’s the thing. I have never been a “fire the OC” guy. I think if you polled fans of 32 NFL teams, and ask them their biggest problem with their team, it would either be the OC or playcalling, two nebulous concepts that usually come down to more of a lack of execution than anything else.

 

All that being said, Dorsey is driving me nuts. I can live with getting away from the run a little bit. Josh is our best offensive weapon and anytime the ball isn’t in his hands, defenses are happy. 
 

What I cannot deal with is a lack of preparedness and what appears to be glaring schematic flaws. 
 

There were two separate occasions on deep shots tonight where Gabe Davis and Isaiah McKenzie were operating within 2 yards of each other. Unless one of those recievers ran the wrong route, there is exactly NO excuse for that. These were not flood concepts or rubs or anything like that. Just two guys running flag routes next to each other.

 

The other thing. Backup OLmen all over the field because of injuries, not his fault. But we go out there and try to catch the defense with cadence with two backups in on the OL? Is that a joke? Of course, Saffold jumped (which is even funnier) but I question the decision making at all.

 

Bottom line is the Bills offense is still really good. Statistically one of the best. But a lot of times, it feels to me that Josh ends games dragging this team to the finish line after mixed results for the first 3 Q’s. And you know, that’s fine. If that’s the story of the 2022 Bills offense, it’s still pretty good. 
 

But to me, I don’t think that’s the sum of our parts. I think that’s selling us short. 
 

As a positive, Knox was infinitely more involved today which was awesome to see and definitely worked. So you know, Dorsey isn’t hopeless. But these are the kind of things that I had hoped would be cleaned up by week 6,

Maybe it’s time to change your name to FireDorseys

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

Allen is the 6th player in NFL history w/ 75+ rushing yards and 4 TD passes. Dorsey called a good game. Not his fault the defense played like ****. 2nd in scoring, 1st in 3rd down %. My main gripe is the inconsistency of the offense and the lack of short passes (this should improve when Cole Beas gets more involved.) The run blocking sucks. There’s nothing they can do until they get some high quality guards in here. The Saffold experiment is failing miserably. Quess is a great depth player but has no business starting. I’m actually impressed their offensive output is so good w/ such mediocre line play. 

[DallasMac]

55 minutes ago, NUT said:

He's not as good as Daboll and only has the job because of Allen.

There were a lot of games where Daboll's play calling would drive me nuts.  I haven't had any of those moments this season.   

[Bad Things]

11-3 and in first place.

[HaldimandBills]

1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

It starts and ends with the OL IMO.  A better OL helps the running game and if Josh has a bit more time the passing game

is almost unstoppable.  

 

Does Dorsey need to get better in scheming and play calling?  Yes.  

Could the Bills use some better "skill players"?  Yes.

Could the above 2 points be less critical with a better OL?  YES.

 

I'm not one to doubt Brandon Beane very often, but OL has to be the number one position group to fix in the offseason.

 

I agree the oline has been problematic. I also understand the thinking here by Beane.

 

Bates came on like a gang buster last season and deserved a shot to start. He is also a natural left guard so I haven't given up on him as a starter. I hope he goes back there when Stafford is gone.

 

Stafford is what he is. A highly regarded vet. who came to Buffalo on a sweetheart deal. Why wouldn't you roll that dice if you're Beane? He hasn't been amazing but he's been better than what the Bills have been lining up at guard the last few seasons. Either way interior guard is a day 2 pick in my opinion, if not a 1st round pick.

 

Spencer Brown is the real question mark. It would feel too soon to cut bait from him but how much longer do you let him develop before he gets Josh Allen killed on the blindside? Tommy Doyle will be an interesting player to watch in camp next season. 

 

Beane needs to seriously address the offense next year and switch his ideology of going defense in the 1st round of the draft. 3 straight years of going RB in the first 3 rounds might catch up to us. 

[Peter]

17 hours ago, FireChans said:

Here’s the thing. I have never been a “fire the OC” guy. I think if you polled fans of 32 NFL teams, and ask them their biggest problem with their team, it would either be the OC or playcalling, two nebulous concepts that usually come down to more of a lack of execution than anything else.

 

All that being said, Dorsey is driving me nuts. I can live with getting away from the run a little bit. Josh is our best offensive weapon and anytime the ball isn’t in his hands, defenses are happy. 
 

What I cannot deal with is a lack of preparedness and what appears to be glaring schematic flaws. 
 

There were two separate occasions on deep shots tonight where Gabe Davis and Isaiah McKenzie were operating within 2 yards of each other. Unless one of those recievers ran the wrong route, there is exactly NO excuse for that. These were not flood concepts or rubs or anything like that. Just two guys running flag routes next to each other.

 

The other thing. Backup OLmen all over the field because of injuries, not his fault. But we go out there and try to catch the defense with cadence with two backups in on the OL? Is that a joke? Of course, Saffold jumped (which is even funnier) but I question the decision making at all.

 

Bottom line is the Bills offense is still really good. Statistically one of the best. But a lot of times, it feels to me that Josh ends games dragging this team to the finish line after mixed results for the first 3 Q’s. And you know, that’s fine. If that’s the story of the 2022 Bills offense, it’s still pretty good. 
 

But to me, I don’t think that’s the sum of our parts. I think that’s selling us short. 
 

As a positive, Knox was infinitely more involved today which was awesome to see and definitely worked. So you know, Dorsey isn’t hopeless. But these are the kind of things that I had hoped would be cleaned up by week 6,

 

I am "extremely frustrated" by these kind of posts.

 

We have a substandard offensive line (even when we have all of our starter). Nevertheless, Dorsey has been able to overcome that.

 

We have a better record than last year and more points (if I recall correctly). The play calling has been very good (just ask Josh).  We do rely on Josh and Josh does mask a lot of our issues with the line.  That is on others rather than Dorsey who has to play the cards he is dealt.

Edited December 18, 2022 by Peter

[biLLyBuFFs]

Play call vs. execution sometimes.  But yeah, the Run game needs an overhaul imo..too many run plays where it's just a down going through the motions.  The shotgun hand off comes to mind.  Every team knows that's their MO.

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, HaldimandBills said:

I agree the oline has been problematic. I also understand the thinking here by Beane.

 

Bates came on like a gang buster last season and deserved a shot to start. He is also a natural left guard so I haven't given up on him as a starter. I hope he goes back there when Stafford is gone.

 

Stafford is what he is. A highly regarded vet. who came to Buffalo on a sweetheart deal. Why wouldn't you roll that dice if you're Beane? He hasn't been amazing but he's been better than what the Bills have been lining up at guard the last few seasons. Either way interior guard is a day 2 pick in my opinion, if not a 1st round pick.

 

Spencer Brown is the real question mark. It would feel too soon to cut bait from him but how much longer do you let him develop before he gets Josh Allen killed on the blindside? Tommy Doyle will be an interesting player to watch in camp next season. 

 

Beane needs to seriously address the offense next year and switch his ideology of going defense in the 1st round of the draft. 3 straight years of going RB in the first 3 rounds might catch up to us. 

 

I thought that Beane did enough to put together a decent (not great) OL together this year.

I didn't work out that way and now he MUST get some long-term talent in next year's draft.

[Trock]

7 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I thought that Beane did enough to put together a decent (not great) OL together this year.

I didn't work out that way and now he MUST get some long-term talent in next year's draft.

If we can’t find a ILB in free agency, we must draft one early. Then go an rebuild the OL. ILB is priority. 

[TheWeatherMan]

1 hour ago, NUT said:

He's not as good as Daboll and only has the job because of Allen.

Is this true, was JA pushing for this hire?  I thought it was the team leadership desire to hire from within.  

[Matt_In_NH]

One thing that happened a couple times last year.  Steeelers and jags game come to mi d is they played the pass and the bills refused to stop passing.   Dolphins did the same thing in the fourth and what did Dorsey do?  5 runs straight down the field on the game tieing drive.  It’s too easy to question play calling when you do t have all the Information. Not saying Dorsey is perfect but people are overly critical of him.  The bills are at the top of the league in offense scoring and third down percentage.  

[BlazinBill]

I feel like Dorsey and Kromer aren't on the same page- or maybe we just don't have a strength on the line to play to- Kromer has had so much history of good line play and our line is just blah- I'm not sure who's at fault for the lack of cohesiveness in our game but since we have a unicorn we will be in every single game and yes no matter what I do think we have a chance.

Call it being a homer or call it what you would like but I can say we have played a very tough schedule this year and while not pretty we keep finding a way. Every single game in the playoffs will be that type of game

 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, GottaRun said:

Re: Dorsey - My seats are near an exit and in front of the booth where the coaches sit.  So I was able to get out of the stadium quickly.  When I was walking out near the ticket booth a golf cart with Dorsey and another coach went past me, Dorsey looked like a guy who's puppy had just been stolen, not like a guy who just watched his team win at the last second.  Made me wonder what's been said to him during the game.

 

 

That's probably just the difference between elation(fans) and relief(coaches) when winning a close game that was full of mistakes by the players on your side of the ball.

 

Can Dorsey get better?   Certainly,  he is a rookie play caller and no rookie OC has won a SB since Mike Holmgren with the 49ers in the 1980's(and that team was the defending SB champ already).

 

But early in the game Allen was missing wide open receivers with inaccurate throws and then the receiving corps had their usual up and down game catching the ball..........which is "the usual" because his targets aren't premium talents.........guys like Knox and Davis were mid round picks in part because they weren't good catchers of the football.    Singletary and McKenzie were also hard handed.    

 

The reality is that the offense under Dorsey is more consistently productive against a MUCH harder schedule than what they got from Brian Daboll last season.  

[birdo67]

2 hours ago, GottaRun said:

Re: Dorsey - My seats are near an exit and in front of the booth where the coaches sit.  So I was able to get out of the stadium quickly.  When I was walking out near the ticket booth a golf cart with Dorsey and another coach went past me, Dorsey looked like a guy who's puppy had just been stolen, not like a guy who just watched his team win at the last second.  Made me wonder what's been said to him during the game.

*whose

Let this solve the problem once and for all.

[Codyny13]

15 hours ago, FireChans said:

Here’s the thing. I have never been a “fire the OC” guy. I think if you polled fans of 32 NFL teams, and ask them their biggest problem with their team, it would either be the OC or playcalling, two nebulous concepts that usually come down to more of a lack of execution than anything else.

 

All that being said, Dorsey is driving me nuts. I can live with getting away from the run a little bit. Josh is our best offensive weapon and anytime the ball isn’t in his hands, defenses are happy. 
 

What I cannot deal with is a lack of preparedness and what appears to be glaring schematic flaws. 
 

There were two separate occasions on deep shots tonight where Gabe Davis and Isaiah McKenzie were operating within 2 yards of each other. Unless one of those recievers ran the wrong route, there is exactly NO excuse for that. These were not flood concepts or rubs or anything like that. Just two guys running flag routes next to each other.

 

The other thing. Backup OLmen all over the field because of injuries, not his fault. But we go out there and try to catch the defense with cadence with two backups in on the OL? Is that a joke? Of course, Saffold jumped (which is even funnier) but I question the decision making at all.

 

Bottom line is the Bills offense is still really good. Statistically one of the best. But a lot of times, it feels to me that Josh ends games dragging this team to the finish line after mixed results for the first 3 Q’s. And you know, that’s fine. If that’s the story of the 2022 Bills offense, it’s still pretty good. 
 

But to me, I don’t think that’s the sum of our parts. I think that’s selling us short. 
 

As a positive, Knox was infinitely more involved today which was awesome to see and definitely worked. So you know, Dorsey isn’t hopeless. But these are the kind of things that I had hoped would be cleaned up by week 6,

I honestly can’t understand how anybody can disagree or give you a thumbs down on this topic. Lack of route concepts, clear out routes when you’re only running 3 wide outs, deep concepts with backup lineman that can’t stop a nose bleed, no threat to run the ball until the last drive. I mean c’mon, Diggs is all over the field in the first half and then can’t get a sniff in the 2nd?! Is the dolphins adjustments so good that you can counter? The whole operation needs to be better. Thank god Allen can run around. The saving grace is we have enough good players that we can have these conversations after a win, but if we want a Super Bowl win, some things need to be figured out, and getting Beasley up to speed is a start.