NFL Week #15 - Fish at Buffalo - Post Game Thread

[BillsVet]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Seeing the Chiefs scrap by against a 1 win Texans team...is that a harbinger of things to come in the playoffs?

 

Cope harder cheesy.   

 

[teef]

6 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Cope harder cheesy.   

 

it's a good question.  you seem nervous that the bills scraped by the phins, especially since we may have to play kc or the chiefs.  as mentioned, it took the chiefs OT to beat a one win team.  is that a harbinger of things to come for them? 

[BruceVilanch]

11 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Cope harder cheesy.   

 

It's a legit question, if you hold Buffalo to that standard why not the Chiefs? 

[Royale with Cheese]

18 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Cope harder cheesy.   

 

 

Is this really your response?

 

Straight up and don't evade the question with a 300 word answer like you usually do or ask me a question while not answering mine.

 

If the Chiefs played the Bills like the played the Texans...would they have beaten the Bills?

Edited December 19, 2022 by Royale with Cheese

[Luka]

We looked average. Josh is the catalyst. He hides a lot of shortcomings we have along the offensive line and makes up for a ton of bad defense. Sometimes I feel like the only time we get aggressive on defense is if McDermott is stepping in. Otherwise we just stay in Cover 2 and Fraizer just stands there, scowling. 

 

Elam looked great. Aside from Tre whiffing on Tyreek, we held one of the more potent pass offenses to very little effectiveness. If we could've caught some of those passes glancing off defender's hands, it would have been a classic Turn-Da-Ball-Ovah game. The combo of Tre and Elam bodes well for us heading into the postseason and it will only improve week after week.

 

Overall, it was a great win. See you next year, McDaniels.

[Royale with Cheese]

14 minutes ago, teef said:

it's a good question.  you seem nervous that the bills scraped by the phins, especially since we may have to play kc or the chiefs.  as mentioned, it took the chiefs OT to beat a one win team.  is that a harbinger of things to come for them? 

 

The Bills defense got lit up Saturday no doubt.  Run defense first half was embarrassing.  

 

However, look at the Chiefs.  After beating down SF....

- Struggled against the Malik Willis lead Titans.

- Struggled against the Jags

- Hard fought game against the Chargers

- Struggled against the Rams without Donald, Kupp and Stafford....also starting a 3rd string QB.

- Lost to the Bengals

- Struggled against the Broncos

- Struggled against the Texans

[muppy]

[teef]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

The Bills defense got lit up Saturday no doubt.  Run defense first half was embarrassing.  

 

However, look at the Chiefs.  After beating down SF....

- Struggled against the Malik Willis lead Titans.

- Struggled against the Jags

- Hard fought game against the Chargers

- Struggled against the Rams without Donald, Kupp and Stafford....also starting a 3rd string QB.

- Lost to the Bengals

- Struggled against the Broncos

- Struggled against the Texans

if people want to be down on the bills play right now...fine, but let's at least look at everything on equal footing.  kc isn't without its warts.  no team is.  this is december, and every game has a new feel with teams clawing for wins.  it's a different feel from the rest of the season, and it should be.  i don't care if they win every remaining game by a point.  doesn't matter to me.  just win. 

 

the bills didn't really turn it on until the very last game of the season, and into the playoffs.  we have no idea as to what's going to happen over the next few weeks, but i don't see having a tight game with miami as some indicator that the bills are in trouble in the playoffs.  maybe it works that way, but then use that same measuring stick for every team.

 

blowing off that answer is a typical response when someone says something they can't back up.

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, teef said:

if people want to be down on the bills play right now...fine, but let's at least look at everything on equal footing.  kc isn't without its warts.  no team is.  this is december, and every game has a new feel with teams clawing for wins.  it's a different feel from the rest of the season, and it should be.  i don't care if they win every remaining game by a point.  doesn't matter to me.  just win. 

 

the bills didn't really turn it on until the very last game of the season, and into the playoffs.  we have no idea as to what's going to happen over the next few weeks, but i don't see having a tight game with miami as some indicator that the bills are in trouble in the playoffs.  maybe it works that way, but then use that same measuring stick for every team.

 

blowing off that answer is a typical response when someone says something they can't back up.

 

I used to think if we start winning, the complaining would stop but it's actually increased.

 

Probably wasn't good for some of this fan bases psyche to start off as hot as we did....it's like they expect 30 point wins every week now.

 

[SCBills]

13 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

McDaniel is a mediocre/bad coach imo.  I don’t get where the hype is coming from.  They get talked about like they have an average roster and he is getting a lot out of his players but their team is absolutely stacked and very much in win now mode with the tyreek trade. They also added two great offensive linemen (when healthy) armstead and Connor Williams and win percentage wise they’re hovering at about previous dolphins team levels 

 

Lots of head scratching playcalls on his part specifically in short yardage situations.  He’s got that defense that’s good on paper playing quite poorly too.  I don’t think he’s any better than Flores overall but his team is certainly more fun to watch because of tyreek/waddle.  

I like their coach .. I think he’s legit. 
 

They are loaded though.  Probably the most talented team in the AFC outside QB. 
 

They probably are hovering around 3-4 losses if Tua doesn’t miss games early in the season.  
 

@Chargers, @Niners, @Bills is just an insane stretch of games… and it highlighted how important an elite QB truly is.  0-2 against teams with elite QB’s and while Miami is a Top 3 non-QB talent team.. SF is #1, and it showed.  

[teef]

16 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I used to think if we start winning, the complaining would stop but it's actually increased.

 

Probably wasn't good for some of this fan bases psyche to start off as hot as we did....it's like they expect 30 point wins every week now.

 

i'm sure it's a combination of insecurity due to how many times this team is let down, but i don't get the fact that being 11-3 and likely winning the east isn't enough as of now.  it's all this team could do as of now.  try to win out and get the one seed.  after that, it's a new season all over again.  

 

i think some of it is people who really don't like mcd.  they're going to look for any wrong possible, and will be far harder evaluating this team vs others.  know anyone like that here?

[BruceVilanch]

6 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I like their coach .. I think he’s legit.

I like him for the most part, that halftime interview reminded me of someone who was all hopped up on adderall. What I wouldn't like if I was a phins fan (gross) was him abbandoning the run on 3rd down and around the goal line. I would be losing my sh** if I was a fan. Mostert was gashing us all game and then you decide to go to the pass during crucial situations. I think he will be a good-very good coach for awhile, just needs to quit overthinking things.

[BillsVet]

37 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Is this really your response?

 

Straight up and don't evade the question with a 300 word answer like you usually do or ask me a question while not answering mine.

 

If the Chiefs played the Bills like the played the Texans...would they have beaten the Bills?

 

You see the big picture when it supports your fanhood...in this case the team that's beaten Buffalo these last 2 years having a clunker.   

 

When the Bills win a SB I'll give them the benefit of the doubt after a performance like KC had versus Houston.

 

KC has been to the SB and won it.  The Bills, especially on the road, have struggled the last 3 playoffs.    

 

Some of you in your fanhood don't get that trust in coaching and players is earned.  McBeane haven't got there...yet. 

[SCBills]

8 minutes ago, BruceVilanch said:

I like him for the most part, that halftime interview reminded me of someone who was all hopped up on adderall. What I wouldn't like if I was a phins fan (gross) was him abbandoning the run on 3rd down and around the goal line. I would be losing my sh** if I was a fan. Mostert was gashing us all game and then you decide to go to the pass during crucial situations. I think he will be a good-very good coach for awhile, just needs to quit overthinking things.

 

Agreed on the run game stuff.  Made zero sense why they abandoned it... we were on skates all night trying to defend it.  

 

I'm more impressed at how well prepared they were for the cold.  The way he prepped them set it up for an embarrassing evening, and they looked completely comfortable in the cold.. best Tua's ever played in the cold, that's for sure.  He had them ready to go.  They looked a little rattled when the snow rolled in, but the energy is the stadium looked insane on tv once we tied it up.  They felt it for sure. 

[Royale with Cheese]

12 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

You see the big picture when it supports your fanhood...in this case the team that's beaten Buffalo these last 2 years having a clunker.   

 

When the Bills win a SB I'll give them the benefit of the doubt after a performance like KC had versus Houston.

 

KC has been to the SB and won it.  The Bills, especially on the road, have struggled the last 3 playoffs.    

 

Some of you in your fanhood don't get that trust in coaching and players is earned.  McBeane haven't got there...yet. 

 

Ah the old "well they've won a Super Bowl, they're allowed to play like *****."  That's how I defeat that argument!

 

You still didn't answer my very simple question.  So either you're evading it or you can't follow simple directions.  

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

44 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I like their coach .. I think he’s legit. 
 

They are loaded though.  Probably the most talented team in the AFC outside QB. 
 

They probably are hovering around 3-4 losses if Tua doesn’t miss games early in the season.  
 

@Chargers, @Niners, @Bills is just an insane stretch of games… and it highlighted how important an elite QB truly is.  0-2 against teams with elite QB’s and while Miami is a Top 3 non-QB talent team.. SF is #1, and it showed.  

I’m interested in the jets dolphins rematch…I don’t think tua wouldve performed much better than bridgewater in the games he missed.  He didn’t look good against cincy before the injury.  they probably beat Minnesota, I’m not sure about the jets. The jets have made pretty much every offense look bad.  
 

McDaniel certainly installed an effective offensive system that plays to tuas strengths and I give him full credit for that but that defense has been extremely disappointing.  If we weren’t down bates and morse we would’ve easily dropped 40+ points 

 

I’ve also seen some questionable decisions on his part costing his team points quite often.  Felt like he was just spitefully trying to get tua a passing td on those 3rd and short calls in the bills game lol 

 

maybe people don’t hold the defense against McDaniel because he’s an offense guy but I don’t look at it that way.

 

total package, he’s mediocre at best in my opinion.  He’s got great skill position players and a mediocre qb playing well,  but on the flip side he has a talented defense playing poorly  

Edited December 19, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

12 hours ago, VaMilBill said:

He’s a way better coach the Flores. He actually builds his offense around players. He doesn’t force his players to fit a mold. Hes gonna be a good coach for a while

I’m not objecting to the value he’s adding to the offense at all.  What about the defense though? Lol offense is only half the team.  They’ve got a lot of talent on the defensive side and they are playing extremely poorly. If we weren’t missing a bunch of offensive linemen in both matchups we would’ve torched them both times. 
 

flores was useless on the offensive side but he had that defense playing very well and McDaniel is the opposite.  Maybe they’re more fun to watch with McDaniel at the helm but the results are pretty similar so far despite McDaniel having a lot more talent on both sides of the ball

Edited December 19, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[BillsVet]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Ah the old "well they've won a Super Bowl, they're allowed to play like *****."  That's how I defeat that argument!

 

You still didn't answer my very simple question.  So either you're evading it or you can't follow simple directions.  

 

Nah dude...you didn't like the answer so you've decided to throw a temper tantrum.

 

Keep pounding that sand.

[teef]

8 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Nah dude...you didn't like the answer so you've decided to throw a temper tantrum.

 

Keep pounding that sand.

You made a foolish comment because you didn’t think it through, and instead of owning up to it, you made the homer call.   Typical. 

[Royale with Cheese]

32 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Nah dude...you didn't like the answer so you've decided to throw a temper tantrum.

 

Keep pounding that sand.

The question was:

Would the Chiefs beat the Bills the way they played the Texans?

 

You didn’t answer my question.  Its a yes or no question.