NFL Week #15 - Fish at Buffalo - Post Game Thread

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

Can you provide examples of this happening when Diggs has had his frustration fits?  Spoiler: you can't.

 

For one thing, even if that is, in fact, what's happening when Diggs is having these fits, he is not "watching" it.  He is minding his own store and running his own routes.  He has no idea if the other receiver just dropped the ball, was interfered with, caught a pass that was ruled incomplete, or the DB just made a good PD.  He's not watching replays on the big screen and then having a fit - he is open, he knows he's open, and he's reacting because he was open and not targeted.  That's "Me Ball", not "We Ball".

 

 

Allen was 16 of 23 and the Bills were 5 of 6 on 3rd down conversions in the first half with 3 TDs.  The Bills were executing in the 1st half.

 

At the point where Diggs had his hissy, the Bills had just driven from their own 25 to the Mia 33 in 4 plays.  Guys were executing.  The one who just missed catching a pass was Diggs himself, but that wouldn't have mattered because of OH call.  The "hissy" play didn't matter because of OH.

 

Diggs is not just some selfless team guy who reacts like that only when his WR buds screw up and he could save the day.  That doesn't match what we actually see.

 

 

I think Diggs would have eventually been more open, but as you note, Allen didn't have time.

These guys watch film every week.  Diggs sees what we’re seeing through the lens of being a main piece of the offense.  
 

Doesn’t mean he’s always right.  Doesn’t even mean it’s warranted .. as pointed out above he gets targeted a lot.  
 

But he knows our offense has been stagnant up until the first half last night .. then right back into the doldrums in the third quarter.  
 

In my view, it’s more a culmination of frustration we see from him at the offense over time than any single play. 
 

Do I like it?  Not necessarily.  But I get it, somewhat.  
 

Now if our offense gets rolling and he continues, that’s a problem .. but I doubt he would. 

[BuffaloRebound]

Diggs pulled himself out of the last drive after he got tackled.  He went back in 3 plays later but I was having memories of Kevin Carter of the Rams pulling himself out of the Super Bowl against the Titans on the last drive.  And Vermeil looking at him like ‘Seriously’.  

Diggs defintely seems like a sensitive dude.  Gets mad very easily.  

[hemma]

Anybody know what happened to Klein?  

 

[BlazinBill]

6 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

Last week, both the Jets and Bills had 9 players with receptions.

In the Turkey Bowl, both the Lions and Bills had 7 players with receptions.

Against Cleveland, the Browns had 7 players with receptions, and the Bills, 4 (!!!)

Alright - fair points friend

I guess I was just attempting to be positive - also not to say say your being negative

Diggs is money no doubt but I'm just looking at they did what they had to do to win and in my simplistic view says number 1 can't always be your the guy to make a play

[Beck Water]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

These guys watch film every week.  Diggs sees what we’re seeing through the lens of being a main piece of the offense.  
 

Doesn’t mean he’s always right.  Doesn’t even mean it’s warranted .. as pointed out above he gets targeted a lot.  
 

But he knows our offense has been stagnant up until the first half last night .. then right back into the doldrums in the third quarter.  
 

In my view, it’s more a culmination of frustration we see from him at the offense over time than any single play. 
 

Do I like it?  Not necessarily.  But I get it, somewhat.  
 

Now if our offense gets rolling and he continues, that’s a problem .. but I doubt he would. 

 

I think this is strong projection on your part. 

 

It doesn't fit the observation of when Diggs does or does not have his little hissy reactions.

 

Among other things, it was only like 4 minutes into the 3Q, and as I pointed out, the Bills offense was not "stagnant", they had just moved the ball 42 yards in 4 plays.

[GoBills808]

We seriously trying to knock diggs now lmfao

 

 

[Herc11]

57 minutes ago, muppy said:

I was talking about this to hubby last night. PLEASE Stefon Please don't be the guy that thinks he is the Only man who can help our team win. It's just not the kind of thing you want to begin to grow and fester on the TEAM. Hear me bro TEAM. They Love you. You'll get your touches. 

When you're watching your teammates drop critical plays over and over, frustration is bound to happen

[Beck Water]

3 minutes ago, hemma said:

Anybody know what happened to Klein?  

 

 

I wasn't aware anything had happened to Klein, if you're talking about a potential injury?

 

If you're talking about playing time, nothing happened to him.

Bills played nickel close to 100% of the time and Milano and Edmunds played 100% of the snaps.  Bernard and Klein played ST.

 

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

I think this is strong projection on your part. 

 

It doesn't fit the observation of when Diggs does or does not have his little hissy reactions.

 

Among other things, it was only like 4 minutes into the 3Q, and as I pointed out, the Bills offense was not "stagnant", they had just moved the ball 42 yards in 4 plays.

I mean, yes, it is projection.  I don’t know what Diggs thinks.  
 

Im just giving a guess. 
 

I don’t think he’s a diva in hiding.  I just think it’s warranted frustration at the cumulative offensive stagnation rather than an individual play where he thinks he should’ve been targeted.  
 

If I were him, and the offense started stalling, I’d tell Allen “I got you” as well.  When other guys are making plays, all is good.  We’ve seen him have decoy games and he could care less. 

[Beck Water]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

We seriously trying to knock diggs now lmfao

 

We seem to be defending his very visible very public prolonged and extending onto the sidelines hissy fits over not getting targeted when he thinks he should.

 

I have no knock on Diggs, but I think he needs to "step away" from the in-game drama.

[GoBills808]

Just now, Beck Water said:

 

We seem to be defending his very visible very public prolonged and extending onto the sidelines hissy fits over not getting targeted when he thinks he should.

 

I have no knock on Diggs, but I think he needs to "step away" from the in-game drama.

'hissy fits' is pretty rich from someone who has been stumping for Isaiah McKenzie nonstop

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

We seriously trying to knock diggs now lmfao

 

 

The average human being is pretty stupid so this isn't surprising 

[Beck Water]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

I don’t think he’s a diva in hiding.  I just think it’s warranted frustration at the cumulative offensive stagnation rather than an individual play where he thinks he should’ve been targeted.  

 

Once again: the offense was hardly "cumulatively stagnant" at the point when Diggs reacted.  And the struggles they did have on that drive, were on the OL.

 

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

If I were him, and the offense started stalling, I’d tell Allen “I got you” as well. 

 

But that's not what he's doing.  He's not saying "I got you, get it to me I'll make you right" in the huddle or on the bench and then moving on.  He is very visibly and publicly second-guessing his QB after the play and making his displeasure and dissatisfaction obvious.  There is nothing constructive about how he's handling this. 

 

It's putting extra pressure on Josh at a point when the D is already giving him all he can handle or more.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

8 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

We seriously trying to knock diggs now lmfao

 

 

I don’t think he cares about his personal stats he’s just trying to help his team win.  He yelled ‘pass me the ball’ at the sideline reporter as a joke so I don’t think he’s seriously mad or anything lol

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

The average human being is pretty stupid so this isn't surprising 

I have a hard time believing quite this stupid 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

I have a hard time believing quite this stupid 

 

Believe it 

[Beck Water]

13 minutes ago, AlfaBill said:

Yup. They should get rid of Diggs. He’s a diva. 👎

 

That's far from the point.  But people are defending "Diva behavior" from Diggs as justified and an understandable response to the Bills offensive play, and that just doesn't fit the actual context of what we're seeing.

 

I don't want to get rid of Diggs, but I think he needs to be more mindful of the pressure his behavior puts on his QB and the impact it may have on his WR teammates.  He has literally twice as many targets and more than twice as many receptions as the Bills next guy, so it indeed makes him look like a Diva.

 

No one wants to get rid of him over it.

[freddyjj]

5 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

But that's not what he's doing.  He's not saying "I got you, get it to me I'll make you right" in the huddle or on the bench and then moving on.  He is very visibly and publicly second-guessing his QB after the play and making his displeasure and dissatisfaction obvious.  There is nothing constructive about how he's handling this. 

 

It's putting extra pressure on Josh at a point when the D is already giving him all he can handle or more

News flash here.  Every NFL WR is:

1.  Always open

2. Held or interfered with every play

3. Not targeted enough

 

So nothing to see here folks, move along. 

Edited December 18, 2022 by freddyjj

[Since1981]

Think about how Josh sees the game when behind 4th. He takes it upon himself and his position allows / enabler. Diggs has same dynamics but he’s beholden to other forces at that moment. It’s understandable frustration.  

[WideNine]

9 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

This game didn’t worry me at all…that Miami offense has been great with armstead in the lineup and our offensive line is ravaged by injury but I’d assume bates/boettger will be back soon. 
 

winnning a game with van roten/hart in the lineup together is impressive however it happens 

 

Our defense had me concerned most of the game, the interior which has been stout against the run was on their heels quite a bit and Miami was getting push.

 

By simply adding a fullback Miami had a lot of success blocking runs and I don't think Frazier had any good answers for it.

 

Hamlin was simply brutal in pass support as that second deep safety or when the team went single high.

 

Just way too slow to react and take the appropriate angles to cut off and double receivers going deep.

 

Not sure what the team sees in him other than the other options must be worse.

 

Taron quietly had a decent game and Elam played physical. Almost too physical I thought till I focused on the holding and grabbing Miami DBs were getting away with.