NFL Week #15 - Fish at Buffalo - Post Game Thread

[freddyjj]

27 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

can’t spell his surname.

Believe it hinges on most folks not being able to even pronounce it, yet alone spell it. 

[appoo]

4 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

Can you explain why the Bengals are flat out more talented? Receiver absolutely yes, where else do they have more talent?

 

also I’m not sure you can definitively say the dolphins have the 2 best deep threats in the league. There are a lot of really talented, fast receivers out there. Certainly a nightmare having 2 of the fastest guys in the league on the same team (and maybe I’m nitpicking) but I wouldn’t say those 2 are first and second in terms of being a deep threat

They’ve also figured out how to mesh all that OLine talent they bought in the off-season and Joe Mixon is easily better than anything the Bills have.

 

Defensively, the Bengals have a good, but not great front 7, but an elite safety battery that’s similar to a healthy Poyer/Hyde battery, and probably better corners than the Bills. I do like the Bills DLine more (though you can’t call them elite without Von) and they are elite at LB. I’d probably give the nod to the Bengals on D because of better secondary play without good enough front 7 play

 

But the Bills can still win this because of Allen. 
 

IMO, if you rank the overall rosters Bills are probably around 5th in the AFC. 
 

But with Allen, you wouldn’t bet agains them making the Super Bowl

[nucci]

2 minutes ago, eball said:

My post-mortem:

Full disclosure: I was livid during the 3rd quarter last night.  I turned off my phone and went into my bedroom to watch the rest of the game in solitude.  The win was a feeling of immense relief.  Now, looking back, I have these thoughts.  First - Josh is the best player in the league.  Period.  Second - we miss Hyde in a huge way.  Hamlin is a gamer but misses far too many tackles.  Third - the Bills dominated the 4th quarter.  That tells me more about the makeup of the team than the pathetic display in the 3rd.  Fourth - it is indeed possible for other teams to have talent and play well, and that doesn’t mean the Bills aren’t prepared or are poorly coached.  Fifth - the last drive of the game was championship-caliber football, including Motor’s awareness to get down so the Bills would win on the last play of the game (hint: coaching).  Have a great Sunday, guys.  The icing on the cake would be a Houston miracle against KC.

 

Let’s Go, Buffalo!  17 and 3, BABY!!!!!!

 

great point on Hyde

[Ya Digg?]

3 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

It was a great cliff hanger win. My very first sentence.  

 

It's honestly amazing how sensitive some of you people are to talking about the game.

 

KC or anyone else has nothing to do with this. This is about making sure the team is playing well enough and executing at a level to win the super bowl. 9-7 teams have won the super bowl because they were able to get their execution to that level for seasons end. 

 

Of course Allen took over as needed.  But the two key elements here were the sudden snow (weather) and a massive DPI on 3rd down that turned a 50 yard FG with 1 minute for Miami into a chip shot FG and us kneeing down the clock. 

 

If not for the snow and penalty,  it's very likely we lose that game. Relying on outside factors is not how you won a Super Bowl. 

 

It's no secret this team has not executed to their level since the bye week in October, I'm happy with wins but we also need to make sure this team is executing to a level to win the super bowl, that's the goal, no one should be buying a division champs hat this year, the goal is bigger than that. 

 

There should be no shame or issue in speaking to the level of execution on the team within the game. Especially if you claim to call yourself a fan. 

I’m not sensitive at all, but your focus on only the negatives is annoying. Don’t get me wrong there are definitely negatives from this game. The Waddle touchdown was a bad play by Poyer (that doesn’t get said often) and Cam Lewis is lucky he wasn’t cut during the game! 
 

you’re talking about execution but make no mention of how well the Bills executed on both sides of the ball once they got down 8. You say that the only reason they won was because of DPI and weather and that’s simply not true. The Bills played well in the 4th which is what good teams do, but for some odd reason you’re focused on style, not substance 

[BearNorth]

6 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

Certainly a nightmare having 2 of the fastest guys in the league on the same team (and maybe I’m nitpicking) but I wouldn’t say those 2 are first and second in terms of being a deep threat

Dolphins actually have 3 of the fastest guys in the league, Mostert is fast, really fast.

 

However Baltimore with Duvernay and Bateman are currently 1 and 3 in top game speed according the Next Gen Stats

[appoo]

4 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The bengals are the “alt take” flavor of the month. Everyone wants to be the smartest guy in the room by looking past the obvious. It’s not interesting enough to say the obvious best teams are the best teams. The bengals weren’t that good last year and got lucky. The raiders had them beat.  Until they beat KC this year nobody was even talking about them. It wouldn’t surprise me if they drop a game before they play us. I’m not saying they aren’t good but I think people need to pump the brakes on the brakes bengals a little.

note I’m just evaluating the roster talent. 
 

pretty much any mediocre roster with Josh Allen, I’m gonna call one of the very best teams in the league 

[balln]

29 minutes ago, appoo said:

Some day after thoughts here

 

1) Tre lost at least one step, if not more. With ACLs it can take 2 years to regain full explosion. Right now the Bills have one of the worst secondaries in the league 

 

2) Dorsey has a really tough job. He’s got an elite QB, a good set of skills players. If Allen had a decent OLije and this team might score 80% of its drives. But he has a really bad one, and how to manage this offense is complicated as *****.  Do you limit the routes and ask these guys to run mostly short stuff or do you trust Allen to be magical and continue to run the longer developing stuff, and get him to make absurd throws on the run after his protection fails after 2 seconds if not immediately?

3) the bills have one of the best front 7s in the league that’s being hamstrung by its corner play. The Phins have a decent OLine, but the Bills can still held Tua to almost 50% (17-30), and that’s because on a bunch of plays they got some pressure on him or the Bills linebackers took away easy throws - but those outside yards were there

 

4) fortunately for the Bills, no one else has the unique threats that stress the corners like the Dolphins present. They’ve somehow captured the two best deep threats in the league

5) the Bengals are flat out more talented than this roster. Gonna have to be on Allen

 

6) forget drafting WR. The Bills need to draft/FA picking a starting RT, LG, and another corner who’s a 4.3 - 4.4 guy and convert Tre to a nickel or safety, unless he regains speed this off-season. Think he can be an elite safety, but as a corner without his normal initial burst he’s just average at best. You fix the oline and think we’re fine at WR

Dude solid post. Agree w everything. 

[sonyab1974]

5 hours ago, Einstein said:

You’ve heard of “balls of steel”… how about “balls of ice”!

 

Ice Balls should be Allen’s new nickname.

 

 

That's awful! Are they okay?!

[balln]

23 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

4. A lot of 2 deep it looked like, but I think it was a lot of Miami just owned the line on the right side.

 

It seemed to me like Daquon Jones had a tough game, and didn’t see much penetration from Oliver as well

Yea once again Oliver invisible 

[Casey D]

1 hour ago, wjag said:

The Morning After Pill:

 

1. That Josh Allen TD drive, you know the one, where he toted the rock all the way, was vintage Allen.  Finishes it with a TD pass to Knox and an aerial 2pt conversion.  Wow, just wow!!!!

2. TD passes to Morris, Hines and Cook..

3. Knox was a central figure in last nights game plan.

4. Miami running with Mostert was so effective.  Trying to understand why?  Were the Bills conceding the run to "shell" Hill and Waddle.

5. Say and think what you will about Tua, but the kid played great.  This can't play in cold weather knock isn't fair.  It wasn't him on the field the last 5 minutes that sent the Dolphins home with an L.

6. Cam Lewis with two brutal plays in Bills games.  First the 4th and 18 against the Vikes and then the destroying the kicker last night.

7. Miami ran well, threw well, kicked well and still went home with an L.

8. I'm still shocked that 90% of that game was played on a snow-free field.

9. Josh had many memorable plays last night.  That throw of 21 to Davis on 3rd and 17 might be the best of the game.

10. Singletary ran when they absolutely needed to run.

11.  Allen looked so damn comfortable when it started to snow.  I can see and hear the NFL music with him standing and throwing in the snow.

 The Dolphins run approach was their response to what the 49ers and Chargers did to them.  Buffalo used the same approach and stayed in nickel to try and take away Hill and Waddle.  Except for a couple of huge plays by the Dolphins, it worked.  But it left the Bills vulnerable to the run, and the Dolphins sort of stayed committed to it.  Dolphins failed to make a full commit, however, as that is not what they really want to do.  It is a game of chess, and McDaniel made some good moves that Bills perhaps did not expect.  Bills will have to further adjust.

[boyst]

@Beck Water was that the type of stuff you'd been wanting? Passes to RBs etc?  You, sir, must be happy. 😭

[appoo]

7 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

I’m not sensitive at all, but your focus on only the negatives is annoying. Don’t get me wrong there are definitely negatives from this game. The Waddle touchdown was a bad play by Poyer (that doesn’t get said often) and Cam Lewis is lucky he wasn’t cut during the game! 
 

you’re talking about execution but make no mention of how well the Bills executed on both sides of the ball once they got down 8. You say that the only reason they won was because of DPI and weather and that’s simply not true. The Bills played well in the 4th which is what good teams do, but for some odd reason you’re focused on style, not substance 

That last drive was almost legendary. You gotta give the offense credit for that. And in the first half the Bills O was quite good.

 

Honestly this really came down to one truly horrific 3rd quarter when the Bills resembled someone like the Texans rather than the SB contending team they are

[balln]

20 minutes ago, BearNorth said:

We are missing a ProBowl player in Hyde, and Tre White is not 100%. Poyer is likely less than 100% due to multiple injuries.

 

Yea sorry. Chargers had everyone out. Derwin James is better than anyone we got. And they still had backups that have speed and athletic ability. They shut the phins down on a tarp/dome 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

36 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

It's honestly incredible people like you are so fragile to merely talk about a game. 

 

Great cliff hanger. Fact.

 

Penalty and weather the two key elements of the win.  Fact. 

 

Team out of sync still.  Fact.

 

Need to clean up stuff to win the SB. Fact.

 

The fact you take issue with any of that and feel the need to call it stupid does nothing other than reveal you have the emotional intelligence of a toddler. 

😂 … yes, I’m certain the coaching staff would never address these issues with the team, instead saying “take the week off boys, we’re flawless out there” … 

[wjag]

3 minutes ago, Casey D said:

 The Dolphins run approach was their response to what the 49ers and Chargers did to them.  Buffalo used the same approach and stayed in nickel to try and take away Hill and Waddle.  Except for a couple of huge plays by the Dolphins, it worked.  But it left the Bills vulnerable to the run, and the Dolphins sort of stayed committed to it.  Dolphins failed to make a full commit, however, as that is not what they really want to do.  It is a game of chess, and McDaniel made some good moves that Bills perhaps did not expect.  Bills will have to further adjust.

 

I know they got out of the run when Buffalo started to bring Poyer and Hamlin down to the LOS.. Johnson, White and Elam all had huge pass defenses after that.

[appoo]

4 minutes ago, Casey D said:

 The Dolphins run approach was their response to what the 49ers and Chargers did to them.  Buffalo used the same approach and stayed in nickel to try and take away Hill and Waddle.  Except for a couple of huge plays by the Dolphins, it worked.  But it left the Bills vulnerable to the run, and the Dolphins sort of stayed committed to it.  Dolphins failed to make a full commit, however, as that is not what they really want to do.  It is a game of chess, and McDaniel made some good moves that Bills perhaps did not expect.  Bills will have to further adjust.

Bills change their fronts in the red zone.
 

They don’t have the talent to dominate on D, so instead they invite you to run between the 20s, and then try to force you to pass for TDs in the red zone, where the linebackers make that super difficult. 

 

Generally when you have Allen, forcing teams into FGs is winning on D

[st pete gogolak]

Going into the game, I thought two things were locks.  Dolphins wouldn't be able to run on the Bills and we'd have big problems with Dolphins pass rush.  Of course, those were, for the most part, things that didn't happen.  It's one thing for Hill and Waddle to beat you, but Dolphins ran at will.  Until Morse went out, OLine held up really well.  After he went out, not so much.  Interior OLine was awful.  Thought Spencer Brown had pretty decent game.  If he doesn't recover Allen's fumble, game is pretty much over at that point.  If OLine is Dawkins - Saffold - Morse - Bates - Brown going into playoffs maybe we're ok.  

 

 

[appoo]

1 minute ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

😂 … yes, I’m certain the coaching staff would never address these issues with the team, instead saying “take the week off boys, we’re flawless out there” … 

Other than some tackling issues, the players mostly played within their expected abilities IMO

[appoo]

1 minute ago, st pete gogolak said:

Going into the game, I thought two things were locks.  Dolphins wouldn't be able to run on the Bills and we'd have big problems with Dolphins pass rush.  Of course, those were, for the most part, things that didn't happen.  It's one thing for Hill and Waddle to beat you, but Dolphins ran at will.  Until Morse went out, OLine held up really well.  After he went out, not so much.  Interior OLine was awful.  Thought Spencer Brown had pretty decent game.  If he doesn't recover Allen's fumble, game is pretty much over at that point.  If OLine is Dawkins - Saffold - Morse - Bates - Brown going into playoffs maybe we're ok.  

 

 

I was pleasantly surprised by Spencer Brown.

 

I fear Morse might retire. He should, honestly 

[Beck Water]

Just now, boyst said:

@Beck Water was that the type of stuff you'd been wanting? Passes to RBs etc?  You, sir, must be happy. 😭

 

We won, so I got what I'm wanting!

 

But Yes on the more diverse passing game.  Not just to RBs (8 targets combined), but to Knox (8 targets) and Morris, to the slots (6 targets) - spreading the ball around.  I thought it opened things up for Davis (6 targets) and for Diggs (9 targets).  We overall moved the ball better, and in the end, Everybody Ate. 

 

Josh threw to 9 different guys.

 

I would have liked to see more running game from backs not named Josh Allen, but after we were playing with 2 backup OLmen all bets were off.

 

You?