Isaiah McKenzie Show 12/12 - discusses drops, his role, and offensive malaise

[Donuts and Doritos]

Beane seems to look for sensitivity in his slot receivers. 

 

Edited December 13, 2022 by Donuts and Doritos

[Chandler#81]

1 hour ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

Spoiler: he said he drops passes on purpose because the 2BD geeks call him by a different name 🤣

Guilty.🤷‍♂️

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Bruffalo said:

McKenzie pretty clearly has concentration issues on the field, I'm sure the weather was a factor but any time contact is even threatened he doesn't hold onto the ball.  

 

 

Another genius who threw a tantrum when I called him Lil' Dummy but is now calling him out. 

1 hour ago, SoMAn said:

Guessing McK didn’t actually use the word ‘malaise’: 

 

 

He went to Georgia he prefers Duke's malaise to the northern stuff.

[dave mcbride]

52 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I 100% gurantee if you polled the Bills locker room, coaches and players, on if they prefer to play indoors or outdoors in Buffalo bad weather, the vast majority will select in a dome.  

 

What we do best is tied up in a quarter of a billion dollar QB who airs it out.  They want to win game, they want to play their best football.  

 

Dome is the better choice for true home field advantage where Bills Mafia can make it deafening and the Bills can play their best on the field.  Not to mention, our biggest threats in the AFC, and likely will be for years to come...is Cincy and KC, both used to playing in cold bad weather.   

 

Don't matter now though, it is what it is. 

No, just no. Cincy and KC do NOT play in bad, cold weather, full stop. They play in cold/chilly occasions (very) occasionally, while the Bills regularly play in precipitation fests with 20+ mph winds and very low windchill temps. The Bills play in hands down the worst conditions in the NFL because of the unique high winds, high precipitation levels, and cold, and it ain’t even close. Regardless of whether the Bills players like playing in these conditions or not, the conditions represent an inarguable home field advantage for the Bills (and when I say inarguable, I mean it). As tough as it might be for them, it’s almost always tougher for opponents not used to it. Outside of the NE game last year — a game the Bills probably should have pulled out at the end — they win virtually all of the rough weather home games. 

Edited December 13, 2022 by dave mcbride

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, Process said:

He looks really good so far. The Jets are a good QB and maybe another WR away from being a really, really good team. 

 

White is pretty good as it turns out. When they get Breece Hall back, watch out.

[Bruffalo]

23 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Another genius who threw a tantrum when I called him Lil' Dummy but is now calling him out. 

 

 

He went to Georgia he prefers Duke's malaise to the northern stuff.

All I said was that your tone was ridiculous, which it was. I even said that I understood being frustrated by him, but by all means go off. 

 

EDIT: Here's the receipts, there were two comments: 

 

I said "I can understand being frustrated with a player having a poor game but man this post is just in bad taste. With that much vitriol you'd think he stole your wife."

 

In the same thread I also said "Oh totally. I'm all for seeing somebody else start to eat at McKenzie's snap share, but we don't have to be mean about it."

 

The only one throwing a tantrum was (and still is) you. 

Edited December 13, 2022 by Bruffalo

[BADOLBILZ]

10 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

All I said was that your tone was ridiculous, which it was. I even said that I understood being frustrated by him, but by all means go off. 

 

I'm just laughing at you clowns who are NOW turning on Lil' Dummy.    He's the same unaccountable screwball he's always been.

 

It was actually just a vocal minority of idiots who complained about my "tone" in that thread but I went back and quickly took stock of you guys this am so I could watch you now call McKenzie out when he inevitably reacted in his unique way to criticism on his show.    Saying you would be OK with somebody cutting into his snap share is a different league of criticism than calling him out as unfocused on his job.   You should be ashamed of yourself.  Have you ever tried to catch a wet football?  So mean.    

[Beck Water]

31 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

I'm not gonna give an hour-plus of my life to a guy I'm fed up with. If anyone watches this, a couple highlights and salient quotes would be appreciated.

 

Does he say he needs to play better or offer excuses is my big question?

 

So first of all, it should really be called more like the "Ty Dunne Show featuring Isaiah McKenzie".  Ty Dunne is the one who steers the show and pulls little tidbits out of McKenzie.  Ty Dunne knows his ball, he's a good journalist, he writes entertaining stuff and he's an entertaining host. 

 

About 38 minutes in, they're talking about Isaiah's mini-bye tweet "can anyone give me a ride from Pittsburgh to Buffalo at 1am?" and what's behind it, and it's hysterical. Their 6-ish pm flight from Miami was delayed to the next day, and he was trying to find a way to get to Buffalo for his 8:30 am meetings.  NYC, nothing; Rochester, Nothing.  Syracuse, Nothing.  He found a flight to Pittsburgh, which he thought was 2 hrs away (it's actually more like 4 hrs).  They got on the plane, and it was missing "a piece".  Isaiah thought it was a part that steers, so they might die.  He thought about calling the coaches "Coach, I was late, because I'm dead".  Dunne asks "would you still be punished for missing the meetings?" Isaiah deadpans "Yes".  He wants the plane to take off, "Whatever happens, Happens" (His GF knew what the piece was, and of course the plane could still steer)

 

So they get to Pittsburgh and Isaiah says OK, someone is coming to pick us up because I tweeted".  His girlfriend is "so we're just letting some random strangers pick us up?" Isaiah is "well, do you have a better idea?" She tried Uber and Nothing.  So they got a ride and his GF was happy:  "The woman has to be happy - in the end.  Not during the process...In the end"  And he made the meetings!

 

I can't do it justice, it was really funny.  Then there was a bit about the World Cup and why Isaiah wanted Portugal. "Don't you believe in American Exceptionalism?"

 

So that's what you get if you watch. 

 

About the wet ball contest, Ty Dunne took Isaiah seriously and brought a football, but the owner said "No" to any football throwing in his establishment.

 

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First quote from Isaiah: "We could have played better".  Says the Jets are good, they have a good defense, they have a lot of young guys, they will be good for years to come.

 

They discussed last season, how the Bills were 7-6 at this point now this season they're 10-3 but people are unhappy. 

 

McKenzie talks about wet ball drills.  "We do wet ball drills at practice, the main person who hates it is Josh.  He hates it.  He hates it."

 

How hard is it to catch a wet football? "Oh, it's hard, especially with gloves on"

So take the gloves off!  "Good luck!"  (I assume the fingers get stiff from cold but he doesn't say explicitly what the problem is to be gloveless).

Says on the end around, his left hand slipped off the ball and he was going down the left sideline with the ball tucked in his right arm because he couldn't change it, it would slip. 

 

Isaiah's perspective is in the first half, all the receivers were struggling to catch the ball "I'm the one who got us started (with his 2 completions on the TD drive before half), who else was catching the ball besides me?"  On the TD drive, his POV is he got it going with 2 completions and drew a defensive hold on the ball he didn't catch, then Knox caught a TD, cool.

 

I looked it up.  Isaiah has a point.  In the first half, Diggs was 3 targets, 1 completion; Brown, Shakir, and Davis all 1 target, 0 completions.  Knox, who also takes flak as "Dropsome Knox" here, was 4 for 4 though.  So, the answer to "who else is catching the ball besides me?" would be"Knox", but for the WR, Isaiah has a point, no one else was catching it.  He doesn't say it, but between the lines ball placement becomes extremely important when it rains (and I'm sure, big hands help)

 

Dunne asks him if it bothers him when people give him grief.   He said "No".  Said one guy told him he (Isaiah) was losing him a lot of money on his bets.  Isaiah told him "Well, stop betting on me".  Dunne: "Easy fix".  A bit of talk from Dunne about the hypocrisy of NFL supporting betting then putting up a phone number for help.

 

Anyway, McKenzie's POV seems to be: conditions were tough, he had some good plays that helped the team including a penalty he drew, some catches he didn't make, it is what it is.  His point of view overall is he's not "pooping the bed", he has 5 TD, 38 receptions, if you watch the film, he's open a lot, and that's why he's still playing.  Dunne suggests maybe the fix for the offense is "feed Isaiah McKenzie".  (I can hear all of TBD groaning there).  McKenzie says he doesn't beg for the ball, he doesn't want to be seen different by asking for stuff, he just watches the film with his girlfriend "hey, I'm open here, I'm open there" and then goes back to work.  He feels that he's open in zone.

 

So if anyone watched or listened who was expecting some groveling or apology, none of that; he says better play is needed but there's a "we" there.

 

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There might be a clue to offensive struggles in some stuff Isaiah says.  He says during the week, "we got the plays, we're practicing hard, we're doing well, the sun is out, everything's fine.  Then Sunday comes, it's raining, we got to change the game plan, we got to run different, catch the ball different.  During the week, you're like ah, I'm feeling good I'm feeling good. Then you get out there and it's a snowstorm, you got to adjust the offense, you got to call certain plays a different way, catch the ball a different way, throw the ball a different way, it's different" 

 

If this is true, it begs the question why don't the coaches adjust the plays and the throws and the catches DURING THE WEEK when bad weather is expected?  Why don't they practice the way they are, more likely than not, going to have to play?  Craziness if true.

 

Dunne points out football has always been played in the wind and the snow and the heat, and asks him "so how can these coaches get you be better prepared to handle whatever gets thrown at you on Sunday?"  Isaiah hesitates and hems and haws then says "I don't think there's a preparation for elements...to be honest, I don't know.  We just got to play better football, we understand that. It's not like we don't understand we got to play better football."  (I think McKenzie is trying to stay out of trouble here).

 

McKenzie asks Dunne,  "I'm trying to figure it out, and I'm on the team, what do you do to be better?" 

 

Dunne suggests "run the ball more, if it's bad weather, just run it, is it that simple?"  McKenzie says "No"  Dunne says "why not?"  McKenzie says "because we can barely run the ball when it's sunny out".  (Ouch.  McKenzie just opened a can called "Trouble" with his name on it)

 

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[Bruffalo]

3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

I'm just laughing at you clowns who are NOW turning on Lil' Dummy.    He's the same unaccountable screwball he's always been.

 

It was actually just a vocal minority of idiots who complained about my "tone" in that thread but I went back and quickly took stock of you guys this am so I could watch you now call McKenzie out when he inevitably reacted in his unique way to criticism on his show.    Saying you would be OK with somebody cutting into his snap share is a different league of criticism than calling him out as unfocused on his job.   You should be ashamed of yourself.  Have you ever tried to catch a wet football?  So mean.    

My position didn't change at all.  If there's anyone who should be ashamed it's you, a grown man (assumption), ranting and raving about a player as if he personally did something to you.

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Lots of excuses so far about the weather - I’m about 15 min in. Garrett Wilson didn’t seem to have a problem catching the wet balls, just saying 

 

Garrett Wilson was, however, apparently whinging about not getting calls (he can get his when they're called equivalently on both defenses - looking at you "Sauce")

 

I think it's just possible Josh Allen "piss missiles" may be harder to haul in when wet

 

I also think the coaches need to strip the gloves off the Bills WR in wet weather and make them practice wet ball drills without gloves, because the gloves get slick when it's wet. 

 

Really, reading between the lines of what McK said, it sounds as though the coaches may be having them practice a fair weather game plan and then changing it up at the last minute, and not having them do enough wet ball practice stuff - which may be influenced by Josh since apparently he hates it.

 

Note: McKenzie did NOT say this.  It is my interpretation.

 

 

[CDogg20]

Bease is about as sure handed as they come. The balls McK drops are drive killers. 
 

When Bease starts catching those ones this offense essentially becomes unstoppable 

[Warcodered]

7 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

Really, reading between the lines of what McK said, it sounds as though the coaches may be having them practice a fair weather game plan and then changing it up at the last minute, and not having them do enough wet ball practice stuff - which may be influenced by Josh since apparently he hates it.

Josh has said he hates the wet ball drill, I think essentially everyone hates that drill, don't see him screwing with the game prep because of that though, just doesn't make a lot of sense.

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said:

You missed the mark here.
 

It’s not one instance… using your analogy… it would be like on any given day when you walk down the street, every homeless person you walk by throws a banana peel at you.
 

Sure, the first time you laugh it off as the crazy homeless person… but then it happens a thousand times over. You’re just going to sit there, wear it and smile? Not even an ounce of frustration or retaliation… that’s just unrealistic. 

In this scenario there's a path you can take that has zero crazy homeless people on it. So, you missed the point. It's not "shaming" them by suggesting he should check himself and go walk that other path.

 

Calling it "shaming players for having emotions" is a mischaracterization and overdramatic

[BADOLBILZ]

13 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

My position didn't change at all.  If there's anyone who should be ashamed it's you, a grown man (assumption), ranting and raving about a player as if he personally did something to you.

 

 

I know you are also a Lil' Dummy because you think I'm ranting and raving.    I'm LMFAO at you........and at the Bills version of Lil' Dummy.  

 

Football is just a form of entertainment........and life is a comedy to those who think........and a tragedy to those who are up in their feels,  always looking for something to be offended about,  like you. 

[First Round Bust]

salary cut or just plain cut ?   I dont think we can trust his hands as a returner or receiver and his gadget-jet stuff is limited by that as well

 

2023 Roster Bonus: $250,000 (3rd league day of 2023)

 

2.5M cap hit with a 300k dead cap hit

 

and we do need the cap space...

[JGMcD2]

10 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

In this scenario there's a path you can take that has zero crazy homeless people on it. So, you missed the point. It's not "shaming" them by suggesting he should check himself and go walk that other path.

 

Calling it "shaming players for having emotions" is a mischaracterization and overdramatic

If you had thousands of notifications on social media flooding your phone throughout the day, most of them telling you that "you suck", "you should lose your job" and to "kill yourself" over and over and over again... I feel like it would be kind of difficult to handle. 

 

Your suggestion that the player should avoid having a social media is fair, but why should they be stripped of that ability because others can't behave themselves? And why should they be expected to maintain their composure at all times when people are hurling comments at them repeatedly? It's not the nature of the comments, it's the frequency.

 

If you're going to fixate on the "shaming players for having emotions" then what would you call it?

[LeGOATski]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I 100% gurantee if you polled the Bills locker room, coaches and players, on if they prefer to play indoors or outdoors in Buffalo bad weather, the vast majority will select in a dome.  

 

What we do best is tied up in a quarter of a billion dollar QB who airs it out.  They want to win game, they want to play their best football.  

 

Dome is the better choice for true home field advantage where Bills Mafia can make it deafening and the Bills can play their best on the field.  Not to mention, our biggest threats in the AFC, and likely will be for years to come...is Cincy and KC, both used to playing in cold bad weather.   

 

Don't matter now though, it is what it is. 

I posted this in the other thread about Buffalo being tough to play in:

 

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Is New Orleans tougher though?
All time home record in the Superdome: 189-176

 

Compare that to outdoor stadiums that are actually tough to play in:

 

Orchard Park: 223-160

Arrowhead: 238-156

Lambeau: 251-125

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/stadiums/index.htm

 

Domes are not as loud as people think and the perfect conditions/sterilized atmosphere they create actually provides less of a home field advantage.

 

Go to that link and review the home records in all those stadiums. Outdoor stadiums take the cake. 

 

Domes are good for stats. Outdoors are good for winning games.

[Bruffalo]

18 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I know you are also a Lil' Dummy because you think I'm ranting and raving.    I'm LMFAO at you........and at the Bills version of Lil' Dummy.  

 

Football is just a form of entertainment........and life is a comedy to those who think........and a tragedy to those who are up in their feels,  always looking for something to be offended about,  like you. 

I'm not offended, I just have more tact.  Have a great day though. 

[LeGOATski]

3 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

If you had thousands of notifications on social media flooding your phone throughout the day, most of them telling you that "you suck", "you should lose your job" and to "kill yourself" over and over and over again... I feel like it would be kind of difficult to handle. 

 

Your suggestion that the player should avoid having a social media is fair, but why should they be stripped of that ability because others can't behave themselves? And why should they be expected to maintain their composure at all times when people are hurling comments at them repeatedly? It's not the nature of the comments, it's the frequency.

 

If you're going to fixate on the "shaming players for having emotions" then what would you call it?

I already told you what I'd characterize it as.

 

And as far as practical solutions go, you can just turn notifications off... You don't even have to delete the app.

 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

No, just no. Cincy and KC do NOT play in bad, cold weather, full stop. They play in cold/chilly occasions (very) occasionally, while the Bills regularly play in precipitation fests with 20+ mph winds and very low windchill temps. The Bills play in hands down the worst conditions in the NFL because of the unique high winds, high precipitation levels, and cold, and it ain’t even close. Regardless of whether the Bills players like playing in these conditions or not, the conditions represent an inarguable home field advantage for the Bills (and when I say inarguable, I mean it). As tough as it might be for them, it’s almost always tougher for opponents not used to it. Outside of the NE game last year — a game the Bills probably should have pulled out at the end — they win virtually all of the rough weather home games. 

 

Bills dont play well in those extreme conditions either.  So whats your point?