Updated Beasley signing to practice squad

[Mark92]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Now do Shady McCoy and Mario Williams. Hoist the Lombardi. 

I'd take Kyle Williams just so that man can get a ring.  

[Mango]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

I agree with the top Bullet.

 

I will add another, if we didnt need Knox to bail out the OL an he could actually get into routes, this signing doesn't occur.

 

Knox lines up in the slot 6th most in the NFL. He is a receiver as much as any TE in the NFL. 

[NewEra]

6 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

Chris states it early on and this is the big point...Ignore Beasley, forget about iMcK, don't nash your teeth over the Crowder injury, and even I can't keep going back to "why Ford over DK?" because that is pure history.

 

A number of us took heat for stating Gabe is not a 1B and our hope is that he is at least a 2.  Yes, he's battled through injuries and yes he has had flashes, and YES HE ADDS TO THIS TEAM.  However, the guy opposite Diggs has to be somewhere at least in the same sphere as Diggs.  

 

If your number 1 guy catches more than 100 balls each year for three years your number 2 needs to be Robert Woods, or at least 2018-2020 Robert Woods...86 receptions, 90 receptions, 90 receptions and a 1,000 yard average.  Heck even Peerless Price's 94 receptions to Eric Moulds' 100 catches from 2002 is the duo you need.

 

38 receptions in 12 games, catching little more than 50% of your targets (38 of 71) isn't the juggernaut #2 we hoped for.  I hope he changes the narrative on everything from here on out, but right now he is on pace for 50 or so receptions.  

 

So s*** on this post all you want, but it is not going to make it any less true. 

 

Go Bills!

 

 

 

 

 

 

“Needs to be”…...or what?   Is it impossible to win a SB with a Wr2 of Gabes ability?  Are you sure?
 

we need to move the chains, score points and play tough D. That’s what we NEED.  
 

We can win a SB with gabe as our wr2.  We just have to have the proper game plan and execute in all 3 phases.  

 

 

[MAJBobby]

Just now, SectionC3 said:

Agreed on both counts, and I’ll add that if Hodgins was still here he’d have had a crack at this role already. 

Yep.  I knew that was going to happen the minute he was released.  Sucks we were dealing with INJ at the time and had to cut him.  I knew Immediately Daboll and Schoen were gonna have a claim in.

1 minute ago, Mango said:

 

Knox lines up in the slot 6th most in the NFL. He is a receiver as much as any TE in the NFL. 

Where he lines up and where the play takes him are two different stories.  He continually is assisting the OL.  Spencer Regression to be exact.

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

 

Knox lines up in the slot 6th most in the NFL. He is a receiver as much as any TE in the NFL. 

 

You can see, even on the broadcast, multiple times per game where Knox is available underneath for a 6-10 yard pick up.  Josh just doesn't take them.  If he did, Knox's numbers would look much different. 

[thenorthremembers]

4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Again I dont have to do anything.  because I was responding to the OP that said we lead the league in drops.  Not we league the lead in drops normalized by target

By all means continue your assault on common sense.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, thenorthremembers said:

By all means continue your assault on common sense.

By all means continue thinking you can tell others what to say and or how to respond to someone.  Got another study to project?

Edited December 13, 2022 by MAJBobby

[thenorthremembers]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

By all means continue thinking you can tell others what to say and or how to respond to someone.  

Who hurt you brother?

[dollars 2 donuts]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

“Needs to be”…...or what?   Is it impossible to win a SB with a Wr2 of Gabes ability?  Are you sure?
 

we need to move the chains, score points and play tough D. That’s what we NEED.  
 

We can win a SB with gabe as our wr2.  We just have to have the proper game plan and execute in all 3 phases.  

 

 

 

 

New Era well said, and no, I didn't say it was impossible.  However, it is not helping and it was to have been a hopeful strength this year.

 

I am also not saying the teams with the best two WRs are going to win a SB, either, but take a look at the top 4 receivers in the NFL (Hill, Jefferson, Diggs and Ekeler), and then the #2 receivers on their respective teams.

 

Hill (100), Waddle (59)

Jefferson (99), Thielen (63)

Diggs (94), Davis (38) or McKenzie (38)

Ekeler (93), Palmer (61)

 

That's Tua, Cousins and Herbert.  We have Josh Allen, New Era.

 

EDIT:

 

Jeepers, of the top 10 receivers in the league only Detroit's Amon-Ra St. Brown has a lower #2 WR than the Bills (Raymond, 34 receptions).

 

 

 

Edited December 13, 2022 by dollars 2 donuts

[Mango]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

Yep.  I knew that was going to happen the minute he was released.  Sucks we were dealing with INJ at the time and had to cut him.  I knew Immediately Daboll and Schoen were gonna have a claim in.

Where he lines up and where the play takes him are two different stories.  He continually is assisting the OL.  Spencer Regression to be exact.

 

He is 11th in routes run and is a pass catcher on 75%+ of snaps. This is a thing people keep saying, but it isn't true. 

I think because Josh is so talented we are quick as fans to quickly point the finger at Dorsey, or scheme, or anything else other than QB play. But ultimately Josh Allen hasn't played up to Josh Allen standards. The current version of Josh is better than most QB's in the league. But he isn't seeing the field well since the bye.

 

That isn't a get out of jail free card for OL, Dorsey, WR's etc.  

[Freak-O]

5 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Exactly.  "Free Speech!"  except everyone who has a different opinion/belief.   What a joke society has become. 

I’d just prefer it if my sporting heroes didn’t sink low enough to get into flame wars with random people on twitter. There is a dignified way to express your views and then there is an undignified way. 

[Don Otreply]

49 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

2 of those fell short of picking up the 1st down and got him chewed out by Brady. 1 picked up a crucial 4th down tho.

 

But again, we just need guys who can catch. Dont need YAC.

Yup, This quest for YAC is not more important than catching the damn ball. Pre need for more YAC we were moving the chains, scoring loads of points and punishing opponents, chasing YAC stats is not more important than doing the basics correctly.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[TheBrownBear]

I'm thrilled that Linus has his blankie back, but it's hard not to feel a real sense of disappointment with the way the McKenzie, Cook, Hines, Shakir (and to some extent, Gabe Davis) decisions/experiments have played out to this point.  

[34-78-83]

3 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

He is 11th in routes run and is a pass catcher on 75%+ of snaps. This is a thing people keep saying, but it isn't true. 

I think because Josh is so talented we are quick as fans to quickly point the finger at Dorsey, or scheme, or anything else other than QB play. But ultimately Josh Allen hasn't played up to Josh Allen standards. The current version of Josh is better than most QB's in the league. But he isn't seeing the field well since the bye.

 

That isn't a get out of jail free card for OL, Dorsey, WR's etc.  

In general I agree with this. Only difference is I disagree at times that he's not seeing it. I've seen him multiple times look through his reads, get to a read where Knox or someone else is wide open for a short gain and move on to the next read, deeper down the field. He is seeing these shorter open reads and choosing not to pull the trigger. At times it has worked out and other times, we end up punting.

[FLFan]

33 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

If they don't why are they the second best team in the NFL on third down?

Yes.  I keep reading in this thread and many others that the Bills are somehow deficient in third down conversions.  Just not true.  They have literally led the league all year.  They only gave up the lead in this category, barely, to KC after an admittedly dismal performance last week (15%!). That had everything to do with the much talked about drops last week and a tough Jets defense, and was a total anomaly.  

 

Some facts here here in case anyone is interested in those.

 

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/third-down-conversion-pct

 

 

 

 

[Mango]

5 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

You can see, even on the broadcast, multiple times per game where Knox is available underneath for a 6-10 yard pick up.  Josh just doesn't take them.  If he did, Knox's numbers would look much different. 

 

I was at the game Sunday, so when I go I re-watch later in the week because you miss so much live.

 

I saw the condensed game yesterday and got through half the all-22 this AM before work and there are some plays Josh keeps alive by being Josh. But man, he really has been forcing so many tough throws. He ended two drives in Q1 by literally throwing away to balls rather than hitting Cook or Hines who were both open underneath.

 

Protection was particularly bad Sunday, but he didn't do himself a lot of favors. 

 

He is the most talented QB in the league, and I think that causes him to try and do too much at times. I have been waiting for him to pull himself out and have a "get right game" and he just hasn't been able to.  I am assuming he knows this too and that is why he specifically asked for Brown and Beasley to come back.  

[TheBrownBear]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

His teammates love him.  He was an important mentor in the WR room and they know how tough he was to play through injuries last year. 

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, TheBrownBear said:

I'm thrilled that Linus has his blankie back, but it's hard not to feel a real sense of disappointment with the way the McKenzie, Cook, Hines, Shakir (and to some extent, Gabe Davis) decisions/experiments have played out to this point.  

 

McKenzie is my only disappointment. And as you note, to some extent Davis, but he plays a vastly different spot.

 

Cook, Hines, and Shakir I put on the coaching staff. No reason that NONE of those guys can be performing better. ONE of them should be coachable.

[Fan in Chicago]

13 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Yep.  I knew that was going to happen the minute he was released.  Sucks we were dealing with INJ at the time and had to cut him.  I knew Immediately .

PS is the right place to start as they did with Brown. Of course his activation will depend on how in-shape and motivated he is. I believe the word was that with the events leading to his departure from the Bills, he had to take the first step for coming to play with the Bills. I am putting these scraps of informationv together and surmising that he did indeed make the first move . He seems motivated to play which is a good start. He and John Brown are clearly role players and won't see a significant percent of snaps. But a decent Beasley can clearly help Allen out and reduce the need for Allen to make tough runs for 1st downs. 

Edited December 13, 2022 by Fan in Chicago