gonzo1105 Posted December 13, 2022 Posted December 13, 2022 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: This signing also makes it clear that losing Crowder was a much bigger deal than this board realized. Fans forgot how many 3rd down conversions we got from Allen throwing quick passes to him early in the year. Yeah he wasn't perfect but he gave us some version of the 2019/2020 Beasley and McKenzie has given us none of that. Maybe Allen is politely telling Beane that he needs more help on offense long term and that maybe he should start investing some high draft picks into the offensive side of the ball 1 Quote
BullBuchanan Posted December 13, 2022 Posted December 13, 2022 "We have OBJ at home." This is really scraping the absolute bottom of the barrel. Maybe TO would like to come back too? 1 2 2 Quote
Coach Tuesday Posted December 13, 2022 Posted December 13, 2022 22 minutes ago, klos63 said: We signed Crowder to replace Beasley, that would have been solid if not for his injury. We traded for Hines, and drafted Cook, both are capable of catching the ball out of the backfield. Those were logical moves to make. Who would you have acquired instead? Not engaging with the whole wHO WoUld YoU hAVe SIgnED bit here. Quote
Solomon Grundy Posted December 13, 2022 Posted December 13, 2022 Now ask Beas which QB throws a better football, Brady or Allen? 1 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted December 13, 2022 Posted December 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: This signing also makes it clear that losing Crowder was a much bigger deal than this board realized. Fans forgot how many 3rd down conversions we got from Allen throwing quick passes to him early in the year. Yeah he wasn't perfect but he gave us some version of the 2019/2020 Beasley and McKenzie has given us none of that. Yeah he was really a nice surprise in the beginning of the year. Averaging just over 9yds/catch IIRC. Was consistent and a safe option. And trustworthy on returns. He was a huge loss. Much bigger than he got credit for. 3 2 Quote
stlbills13 Posted December 13, 2022 Posted December 13, 2022 My only disappointment is that I assume this means Crowder has a small chance to make it back this season. Diggs is going to see double teams or at least a lot of help/attention in the playoffs. He's good enough to still get open but this team needs somebody to be open in the middle of the field who isn't going to drop the ball. Beasley could go for 2/12 every game and it's actually going to help. My opinion is the same as it was the past 3-4 weeks. If the AFC goes through Orchard Park, the Bills will be in the Super Bowl. These next 4 games are so important Quote
SectionC3 Posted December 13, 2022 Posted December 13, 2022 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: They can take the flier. I am not saying they absolutely shouldn't do it. I'm saying it won't succeed. I don't think there is anything left beyond a bloke who can catch 3-5 yard passes and fall over on the spot. I don’t disagree. But I’ll take the five yards, however, on the third and short that McKenzie “plexiglassed” this week. Quote
Scott7975 Posted December 13, 2022 Posted December 13, 2022 I’ll say that I never thought Beasley was coming back here. He wanted his release. Maybe he realized the grass isn’t greener. I never cared about his anti vax. People have a right to their own choice. All I cared about was his blatant disregard for following rules set in place that could have cost the team penalties, fines, and suspensions. All that is in the past. If he makes the offense better then LFG. Quote
nucci Posted December 13, 2022 Posted December 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, Hsker4life said: What ever happened to the quick flick passes/jet sweeps with McKenzie? That seemed to be something he excelled at, yet we hardly see it anymore. He’s a gadget player, which is fine…but let’s use him that way. Daboll left and Dorsey and Kromer run the offense. Quote
MAJBobby Posted December 13, 2022 Posted December 13, 2022 Just now, thenorthremembers said: I assume he has learned the playbook and got himself ready in case he needs to be elevated to the main roster permanently during the playoffs. Football isn't just played on Sundays. What has OBJ done in the same time frame to prove he was worth the money and the roster spot? While he was TMZing at the Mavericks game, Brown was working. You can hold out hope the Bills sign OBJ for the playoffs but I think thats a long shot at this point SO Cannot answer the question. Cool he learned the playbook 98% of players do that in days. A team so desperate for WR help outside Diggs goes and tries to turn back the clock it is a technique. Again with Beasley I dont hate it, but I also know there is a reason he was retired, and why brown was not on a team all year despite all the teams with massive WR issues. Quote
DaggersEOD Posted December 13, 2022 Posted December 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: From a month ago- EXACTLY! Their combo route was the killer for the last two years. You could tell when they were using it because whenever a drive started with a Beas catch, the drive was typically successful. Two years ago, (or 3?) when he entered the playoffs with a broken leg, I think they decided the next year to save that package for the playoffs. Beas was available and the O was successful. 13 seconds. I think this combo route is the KEY to getting this O, and Gabe, back on track Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted December 13, 2022 Posted December 13, 2022 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: "We have OBJ at home." This is really scraping the absolute bottom of the barrel. Maybe TO would like to come back too? Let's see how this comment looks in a few weeks shall we 2 Quote
HappyDays Posted December 13, 2022 Posted December 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: For once I'm glad McKenzie is laughing it up because if he thought seriously about this signing for half a second he would realize it means Allen has lost trust in him. All offseason McDermott talked up McKenzie's opportunity to prove he could handle an increased role and, well, here we are. 5 Quote
BullBuchanan Posted December 13, 2022 Posted December 13, 2022 Just now, Warriorspikes51 said: Let's see how this comment looks in a few weeks shall we Why, are there worse players available? Quote
TheyCallMeAndy Posted December 13, 2022 Posted December 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: He had Sauce Gardner beat....ball was underthrown and Sauce was able to knock it out of Brown's hands. But, that play showed he still has wheels Yes it was a drop, but I came away thinking “Great play by Sauce” over “Bad drop by Brown” 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted December 13, 2022 Posted December 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, SCBills said: While it sounds like Beasley was loved in the locker room... and especially by Allen, Diggs, Davis and co., I do find it funny that we hear "not one player opposed"... Kidding (mostly), but I'm not sure anyone want to oppose and become the accompanying player released when Cole gets signed to the active roster. That player already welcomed Bease back. See below 🤣 16 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Thanks, Isaiah. 1 Quote
SectionC3 Posted December 13, 2022 Posted December 13, 2022 Just now, stlbills13 said: My only disappointment is that I assume this means Crowder has a small chance to make it back this season. Diggs is going to see double teams or at least a lot of help/attention in the playoffs. He's good enough to still get open but this team needs somebody to be open in the middle of the field who isn't going to drop the ball. Beasley could go for 2/12 every game and it's actually going to help. My opinion is the same as it was the past 3-4 weeks. If the AFC goes through Orchard Park, the Bills will be in the Super Bowl. These next 4 games are so important Agreed. We don’t need six catches per game out of the slot. We need one or two “chain moving” plays per game on a third and short that we aren’t getting out of the current occupant of the slot position. 1 Quote
thenorthremembers Posted December 13, 2022 Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: SO Cannot answer the question. Cool he learned the playbook 98% of players do that in days. A team so desperate for WR help outside Diggs goes and tries to turn back the clock it is a technique. Again with Beasley I dont hate it, but I also know there is a reason he was retired, and why brown was not on a team all year despite all the teams with massive WR issues. I answered your question in my first response. He hasn't caught a pass. I then asked you what you thought he was supposed to do in 11% percent of the snaps on 1 target? I then told you that football is just about Sundays. So he has done more than the guy you want to bring in. I also asked what Odell has done this year besides be caught up in a circus? Edited December 13, 2022 by thenorthremembers 1 Quote
ILBillsfan Posted December 13, 2022 Posted December 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: "We have OBJ at home." This is really scraping the absolute bottom of the barrel. Maybe TO would like to come back too? funny you mention this ... sory about this exact thing https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/164303-terrell-owens-makes-another-sales-pitch-49ers-weapon/ Quote
Inigo Montoya Posted December 13, 2022 Posted December 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: And word from Sal and the WGR guys is Allen had been pushing for Brown and Bease to be re-signed, and after Sunday pretty much demanded it, and McBeane couldnt argue anymore. This is the last step in Josh becoming a leader. Step one is you need to come in as a young QB and be humble and show the vets on the roster that you belong and are a team first guy, not a primadonna 1st round draft pick, ala Josh Rosen. Step two is to elevate your game and work harder than anyone else in the room and set an example of excellence so you have the moral authority to lead. The last step of being a great leader is that once you have demonstrated your own excellence, to start demanding excellence from the people who follow you. That's where Josh is now in that locker room. By having Beane bring in Brown and Beasley he is telling the guys on offense, and specifically in the WR room, that they need to elevate their performance or they are gone. Josh is friends with all of them I'm sure, but he is not going to let those relationships limit the ability of the team to win. That willingness to separate yourself from the group, your friends, and demand accountability from them is the hardest step for a leader and Josh is there. 7 5 1 Quote
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