Orlovsky: Bills aren't as talented offensively as we thought

[Buffalo03]

I disagree. I think we're plenty talented. Dorsey and the play calling are the problem 

[Solomon Grundy]

2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

I think more than anything, it's Allen being told to stop putting the ball in harms way so often and he hasn't found the happy medium between taking chances and being overly aggressive.  Now he is being overly conservative.

He's not taking the checkdowns like he should early in the play. 

[Mark Vader]

2 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

 

It was good defense but still a drop in my book. Hit him in hands.  Knox is inconsistent. It's not like he did not also have a few other drops this year, especially over the last few weeks,  and yes not as bad as rookie season, but not turning the corner fully either. He has tons of talent. He can get hot and produce, but his hands are mediocre. 

Well I cannot re-write your book, but a drop and a pass defensed are not the same thing.

 

I am aware that Knox has had a few drops this year, but not a lot. A lot of people seem to forget how good he played last season.

 

Knox may have issues, but he is not a problem.

 

Isaiah McKenzie, is a different story.

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said:

He's not taking the checkdowns like he should early in the play. 

Allen was under pretty consistent pressure yesterday, but on most of the sacks, I do feel like he was holding the ball too long.  He seemed to be slow on his progressions and then hesitating to take the dump offs.

[RichRiderBills]

Bet Beasley would com in for cheap. I don't get why we don't bring him in. I hope it's not about pride or ego. 

 

Not sure if he was ever released by TB though. Edit: looks like he was released/ PS contract terminated. He's an UFA.

Edited December 12, 2022 by RichRiderBills

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

Allen was under pretty consistent pressure yesterday, but on most of the sacks, I do feel like he was holding the ball too long.  He seemed to be slow on his progressions and then hesitating to take the dump offs.

 

Yes, there were a few times yesterday that I found myself yelling "THROW THE BALL TYROD, err, I MEAN JOSH!"

 

 A lot of double clutches and uncertainty.

[Solomon Grundy]

2 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Allen was under pretty consistent pressure yesterday, but on most of the sacks, I do feel like he was holding the ball too long.  He seemed to be slow on his progressions and then hesitating to take the dump offs.

See what it did for Herbert last night

[DrDawkinstein]

 

 

Just now, RichRiderBills said:

Bet Beasley would com in for cheap. I don't get why we don't bring him in. I hope it's not about pride or ego. 

 

Not sure if he was ever released by TB though.

 

He is broken down and ineffective. His political rantings have nothing to do with why he isnt playing in the NFL today. He physically cant. Father Time is undefeated.

 

 

[Billz4ever]

Just now, RichRiderBills said:

Bet Beasley would com in for cheap. I don't get why we don't bring him in. I hope it's not about pride or ego. 

 

Not sure if he was ever released by TB though.

Even if we had him or a player of his caliber when he was at his best, I just don't see the play calling from Dorsey to take advantage of what he brought to the table.  

[JohnNord]

2 hours ago, Billz4ever said:

I have to agree with Josh being very conservative.  I don't know if the red zone turnover thing has been haunting him or if it's being beaten into his head not to make those throws, but he did have the endzone toss last week to Davis that would normally not be considered a wise throw.

 

I do agree though, it seems Josh is either not wanting to pull the trigger or he's just not seeing the open receiver.

 

In a re-do today, I don't think Josh ever attempts that game winner to Knox against KC and I'm sure a bunch of others we saw earlier in the year.

I don’t agree… the difference is that in that situation the Bills were driving downfield for a score.  Over the past few weeks the Bills have been ahead

[Solomon Grundy]

1 minute ago, RichRiderBills said:

Bet Beasley would com in for cheap. I don't get why we don't bring him in. I hope it's not about pride or ego. 

 

Not sure if he was ever released by TB though.

He retired!! F' Beasley!! Brady(🐐) couldn't use him

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said:

He retired!! F' Beasley!! Brady(🐐) couldn't use him

In all fairness, Tampa is a trainwreck right now.  Brady should've stayed retired too.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

Yesterday was bad weather, penalties, drops and not particularly inspiring play calling… 

 

but also until we figure out the Gabe Davis issue I’m not sure the offense reaches its potential. Whether it’s his skill set, injury we don’t know about or scheme - he needs to be a more complete contributor at WR2 if the offense is going to be fully successful. It takes pressure off of everyone else if that’s role is fully contributing 

He's a hit and miss #2. Thats pretty much how most #2's are. He made some nice plays yesterday.

The issue is Dorsey needs to use Knox more. The great teams now use the TE as the number 2 or even number 1 pass catching threat. Knox has that ability. I was fine with the throw to Knox at the ned of the game. It showed the type of calls Doresy needs to make. If Allen puts that 1 yard closer to the sideline it is game over and everyone is talking about how they closed out the game with Knox. 

 

[Donuts and Doritos]

Davis has been a big disappointment this season. We're missing that #2 WR teams fear. He's been invisible & inconsistent far too often. (I think they didn't go after another WR in the off-season bc they thought Davis had taken a step to a legit WR2 & he hasn't). There are other issues O-line etc. But this is a critical piece IMO.

 

Here's his stat line for the season: (compare it to other WR in the attached links). 

 

38 of 71 = 54% catch rate 696 yds 6 tds

 

2022 Buffalo Bills Stats - NFL Team Leaders - CBSSports.com

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/BUF/buffalo-bills/stats/regular//

 

2022 NFL Receiving | Pro-Football-Reference.com

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/receiving.htm

 

Edited December 12, 2022 by Donuts and Doritos

[Billz4ever]

2 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

Davis has been a big disappointment this season. We're missing that #2 WR teams fear. He's been invisible & inconsistent far too often. (I think they didn't go after another WR in the off-season bc they thought Davis had taken a step to a legit WR2 & he hasn't). There are other issues O-line etc. But this is a critical piece IMO.

 

Here's his stat line for the season: (compare it to other WR in the attached links). 

 

38 of 71 = 54% catch rate 696 yds 6 yds

 

2022 Buffalo Bills Stats - NFL Team Leaders - CBSSports.com

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/BUF/buffalo-bills/stats/regular//

 

2022 NFL Receiving | Pro-Football-Reference.com

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/receiving.htm

 

I'm sure a lot of the hype around Davis this season was based on his 4TD game against KC, but he's not even remotely close to what people were expecting out of him this year and what he has produced this year is even worse when you look at it from the perspective of how much attention Diggs gets from defenses.

[DapperCam]

3 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

I think more than anything, it's Allen being told to stop putting the ball in harms way so often and he hasn't found the happy medium between taking chances and being overly aggressive.  Now he is being overly conservative.

He’s being overly conservative, but we’re winning games because he isn’t turning it over. That might be the best course of action considering our lack of playmakers.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

2 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

My take is something is off with Josh Allen, his elbow, his arm...something. AND, he was pressing at times while attempting to do far to much on his own. Too many turnovers in those losses!

 

The offense has settled into a "lets help Josh" mentality.  24 rush attempts vs 27 pass attempts. 

 

Josh final game stats, 16 of 27 for 147, 1 TD is what we were used to seeing in the first quarter in the early games this season. 

 

Yet, Josh is still sorta playing hero as he was the leading rusher, 10 for 47, 1 TD.

Although, Singletary was 8 for 39, a 4.9 AVG. 

 

Time of Possession, Jets 34:25 vs Bills 25:35. 2 turnovers were the difference. Fugly win, but a win nonetheless. 

 

Opposing teams have figured out how to defend the Bills offense (aside for Diggs, who is unmatched) This falls on the rookie OC, who is learning as he goes. Look how long it took Daboll to get that offense clicking like he did at the end of last season.

Anyone else recall how bad the Buffalo offense looked against the Jaguars in 2021?

 

That Buffalo defense played "lights out" and really carried this game IMO.

 

Current Stats, Buffalo offense, #4 in points scored, #2 in yards. Buffalo defense, #2 in points allowed, #9 in yards allowed. Getting healthy finally too. 

 

Let's hope Dorsey is saving something for the playoffs or perhaps for this Miami game.

Coming off a game where the Bills ran and dominated TOP to the tune of 39-minutes. 

[Billz4ever]

4 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Coming off a game where the Bills ran and dominated TOP to the tune of 39-minutes. 

Which is exactly what boggles the mind that we didn't have the same game plan for this game considering the weather and the Jets playing a D susceptible to runs between the tackles.

[Mango]

 

 

54 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

That was not a drop. Knox had the ball in his hands and the defender no by was able to knock the ball out of his hands. That was good defense.

 

A lot of people are making it sound like Knox has regressed back to his rookie year, which is false. Yes, all fans see are the big contract he signed and therefore he should be an All-World player.

 

I understand that argument, however Knox has been used a lot more as a blocking Tight End than as a receiver. 

 

We have issues on offense, Knox is not one of them.

 

This is a thing that people keen parroting but is 100% false. It is driving me nuts because it is just so not true…like even a little.
 

Knox is 6th among tight ends in for total routes run, and 11th for total snaps in the slot. He’s also 11th for % of snaps/routes run at 75.8%.  Considering he missed a week with a foot injury then played through a bad hamstring, that’s pretty high in relation to his peers. 
 

There’s a number of reasons Knox might not be performing, but being a blocker v. route runner isn’t one of them at scale. 

 

 https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/dawson-knox/

 

 

 

 

Edited December 12, 2022 by Mango
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[Alphadawg7]

3 hours ago, Billz4ever said:

I don't like admitting it, but he makes fair points.  We are in 3rd and long far too often.  The O-line is not doing a great job and much of our offense is Josh creating on the fly, not executing the plays as designed because he either doesn't have time, or isn't finding an open receiver.

 

Outside of Josh and Diggs who has any confidence in anyone else in this offense?  

 

I'd say Motor, but he needs the blocking to be there and for the most part, it's not.

 

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=35237773

 

He isn't wrong, and honestly I think that has a lot more to do with Dorsey than it does our personnel.  Once we had some tape, this offense was quickly figured out in terms of who to disrupt it.  Dorsey has yet to adjust and we have been able to keep winning because of the sheer pure talent of Allen to will this offense to points no matter what. 

What is crazy to me is that we really could change 3 plays on the season and probably be undefeated right now.  Better snap to end the first half by the backup center so Bass gets to kick his FG likely wins that game for us.  Don't fumble the snap against Minnesota wins that game for us.  And the Jets game...you could say if Davis doesn't drop the last pass or if Bass didn't miss his 50 yarder we probably win that game.  

 

Which I think is what makes this more frustrating because we have the QB and talent here to be better, but Dorsey isn't putting it all together for this offense yet.