Orlovsky: Bills aren't as talented offensively as we thought

[The 9 Isles]

Daboll covered up lot of problems with his schemes. His lack of a run game was because he knew the Oline and RBs weren’t good enough to get consistent push. 

[LABILLBACKER]

We won't compete consistently if the OL doesn't turn things around. Kromer and guys like Saffold and Brown have been huge disappointments. Dawkins has been inconsistent.  Bates is now hurt. If guys like Quessenberry or Van Rotten have to come in its game over. 

    Dorsey has truly struggled his first year. The tempo and plays are off. After Diggs, wrs just aren't separating or catching passes. I know the record doesn't necessarily reflect this but your eyes don't lie.

[hemma]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Boy said:

7 Drops by my count( by memory) yesterday:

McKenzie 3

Knox 2

Brown 1

Singletary 1

 

I was at the game so didn’t get replay on most if any of them but it was an abysmal showing by the targets.

 

The last Knox drop was like icing on a very unappetizing cake

 

 

Diggs had 1 also.

[BananaB]

McKenzie and Davis are not living up to expectations. Bills put a lot of faith in those two and both have been a big part of the Os problems. 

[NewEra]

29 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I mean it’s kind of true. I do r watch the all 22 but are our receivers not getting separation. Or is Allen locked in Diggs. Definitely Davis has been a disappointment. And McKenzie is showing why he’s never had a big role for any team. 
 

the thing that really drives me crazy is the Jets 4th string rb might be better than our guys. The one thing the Bills could always find when they were terrible is an rb. Crazy 

That was one of the reasons they they were terrible.  Using all those picks on RBs-  

1997-2010 - including 4 first rd picks

97 smith- 1st

98 linton- 5th

99 Bryson- 3rd

00 morris 5th

01 Henry 2nd

02 ferguson 7th

03 mcgahee 1st

05 Gates 7th

07 lynch 1st

10 spiller 1st

 

 

 

 

 

[Buffalo Boy]

1 minute ago, hemma said:

 

Diggs had 1 also.

Was that the one on the first drive?

[Dopey]

2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

We won't compete consistently if the OL doesn't turn things around. Kromer and guys like Saffold and Brown have been huge disappointments. Dawkins has been inconsistent.  Bates is now hurt. If guys like Quessenberry or Van Rotten have to come in its game over. 

    Dorsey has truly struggled his first year. The tempo and plays are off. After Diggs, wrs just aren't separating or catching passes. I know the record doesn't necessarily reflect this but your eyes don't lie.

Over the past few weeks, I've seen the likes of Van Rotten, Hart, and Quess, along with Bates at Center sometimes...and we're on a 4 game winning streak. Hardly game over.

[Coach Tuesday]

38 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I mean it’s kind of true. I do r watch the all 22 but are our receivers not getting separation. Or is Allen locked in Diggs. Definitely Davis has been a disappointment. And McKenzie is showing why he’s never had a big role for any team. 
 

the thing that really drives me crazy is the Jets 4th string rb might be better than our guys. The one thing the Bills could always find when they were terrible is an rb. Crazy 

 

The Chiefs picked a RB in the 7th round in 2022 who is far better than the RB the Bills blew a 2nd round pick on in the same draft.  

[Antonio]

32 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Depends on what version of this offense you're talking about.  Are you talking about the pre-bye week offense or what we've seen post-bye?

 

Overall, 13 weeks.

 

I think we are pretty even as last years. We have scored 10 more points playing against better competition. We are +132 points differential, I think we are pretty good. 

 

Maybe we are not dominating teams like we would like to, but we are playing tought defenses. 

[Ned Flanders]

Didn't Greg Cosell say the exact thing a couple of weeks ago?  Yawn...

[hemma]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Was that the one on the first drive?

No it was later than that I think.  I don’t have access right now to check it.

I remember the Announcers called it out.

[BananaB]

1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

The Chiefs picked a RB in the 7th round in 2022 who is far better than the RB the Bills blew a 2nd round pick on in the same draft.  

SF gets a late round pick every year that looks better than Bills RBs. 

[Dopey]

1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

The Chiefs picked a RB in the 7th round in 2022 who is far better than the RB the Bills blew a 2nd round pick on in the same draft.  

He's not better, IMO.

[BananaB]

Just now, Ned Flanders said:

Didn't Greg Cosell say the exact thing a couple of weeks ago?  Yawn...

Yeah he did. He’s right

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Callin a pretty heavy BS on this lol.  When will these talking head jamokes learn to not overreact on Mondays after a game.  They crowned tua three weeks ago and he has been bad for two straight weeks.  They wrote cincy off a couple months ago and now they’ve won like 6 in a row.
 

Allen’s elbow wasn’t right for a few weeks which we gameplanned around then we ran into the jets defense in bad weather which is gonna be a defensive struggle and ball security/playing conservatively was at a premium.  
 

if they can’t move the ball against Miami or Chicago then I could understand this. 
the plays where there yesterday against a great defense  we just didn’t make them.  John brown had a walk in td and he was underthrown.  Diggs was wide open for a huge gain early in the game,there were like 6 drops. 

Edited December 12, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Billz4ever]

2 minutes ago, BananaB said:

McKenzie and Davis are not living up to expectations. Bills put a lot of faith in those two and both have been a big part of the Os problems. 

The hype around Davis was off the charts going into the season.  He was being heralded as the best #2 in football that could be a #1 on almost any other team in the league.

 

I know that came from the his performance in the KC playoff game, but since the ankle injury, he's been average at best. Definitely not what we were expecting out of him.

 

And don't get me started on Dirty.  He's had a few flashes, but like Davis, has been very disappointing. His drops yesterday were just inexcusable.  

[KOKBILLS]

Honestly...I think a lot of folks...and that includes me while I'm yelling at my TV screen during games...are getting too far into the weeds on the Offensive issues. If I was to generalize, and I don't usually like to do that, I would say actual execution is the main issue on Offense. 

 

1st drive Josh misses Diggs wide open. From what I could see he's got the single Safety to beat for 6...That's how open he was. Then Josh underthrows Smoke when he's got at least a step or two on the Rookie. Smoke still almost caught that ball. Then later on the McKenzie drop on 3rd down...Those 3 plays executed properly probably lead to a blowout yesterday. Regardless of anything else. McKenzie also had an earlier drop on a 3rd and long along the sidelines (the one he bobbled and dropped...It was a tough catch, but definitely a catchable ball for an NFL WR) that would have extended a drive.

 

Dropped passes, missed blocks, errant passes, penalties...These are all solvable problems before we even get into talent and design. The Bills have clearly been the better team on the field EVERY Sunday...Even in the 3 losses. Execution, penalties, and mistakes have led these games to be closer than they should have been. That seems to be the most obvious point.

 

I do think Dorsey needs to continue to work on scheming easy gains...But all in all we need to get back to that Playoff-level of execution more than anything. JMO...

Edited December 12, 2022 by KOKBILLS

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

I agree with everything until the bolded.  If you really believe the offense is lacking because we lack talent at RB, you’ve got it all wrong.  That’s just an awful take.  Doesn’t get much worse.  
 

You’re on point with the rest though.  
 

P.S.-  we used a 2nd rd pick on james cook. The 3rd RB taken in the draft.  

 

Not lacking.  Just an upgrade at RB from everyone feeling much better about the O.  I will agree the Oline can be much better.  
 

 

But if RB isn’t an issue, then where do we rank Motor compared to the rest of the league?  Not that he can’t be effective.  He’s just not a concern for defenses.  
 

None of this is to say this will make winning it all a problem. 
 

That will come down to Allen.  

 

[Beast]

People severely under-estimated what Beasley’s 7 or 8 yard catches meant to this offense. Instead, all we heard from some was how much his play had declined.

 

Losing Beasley has hurt this offense. 

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Callin a pretty heavy BS on this lol.  When will these talking head jamokes learn to not overreact on Mondays after a game.  They crowned tua three weeks ago and he has been bad for two straight weeks.  They wrote cincy off a couple months ago and now they’ve won like 6 in a row.
 

Allen’s elbow wasn’t right for a few weeks which we gameplanned around then we ran into the jets defense in bad weather which is gonna be a defensive struggle and ball security/playing conservatively was at a premium.  
 

if they can’t move the ball against Miami or Chicago then I could understand this. 

No buying the weather argument.  Mike White, who had to leave the game twice because he was getting killed, threw for 268.

 

Bills were 2-13 on third down and Josh had his lowest yards this season at 147.  Obviously not all his fault, but the ridiculous number of drops yesterday, combined with him being under constant pressure, was a bigger factor than the weather.

 

Bills are #2 in the NFL in drops. That can't continue.