Orlovsky: Bills aren't as talented offensively as we thought

[Billz4ever]

5 minutes ago, Antonio said:

 

Do you think this offense is better or worst than last yeras offense?

Depends on what version of this offense you're talking about.  Are you talking about the pre-bye week offense or what we've seen post-bye?

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

The Bills just don’t have the OL to run the ball at will when they want to. The backs are pretty mediocre too. They can win matchups vs certain teams and not vs others. They need to stay in good down and distance , but that is more difficult without a reliable ground attack. Not sure how much of this can / will change this season. They’ll have to win with what they’ve got. 

Singletary is averaging 4.4 ypc. 

 

Cook is averaging 5.1 ypc. 

 

Allen is averaging 6.3 ypc. 

 

Singletary runs for 16-yards and sees 7 carries the rest of the day. 

 

The Bills don't make any effort to stay with a semblance of a run game for all 4-quarters despite being up most of the game. 

[NoSaint]

Yesterday was bad weather, penalties, drops and not particularly inspiring play calling… 

 

but also until we figure out the Gabe Davis issue I’m not sure the offense reaches its potential. Whether it’s his skill set, injury we don’t know about or scheme - he needs to be a more complete contributor at WR2 if the offense is going to be fully successful. It takes pressure off of everyone else if that’s role is fully contributing 

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

Mahomes almost gave the game away with 3!!!! INT's yesterday in a game they led 27-0 at one point against the worst offense in football by a mile.

Did you honestly think they were going to lose? They just lost their hunger and were richarding around. I’m know we don’t like the chiefs but you have to be a homer to think our offense is playing as good as theirs. Can certainly change but this has been a very uneven month.

2 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Singletary is averaging 4.4 ypc. 

 

Cook is averaging 5.1 ypc. 

 

Allen is averaging 6.3 ypc. 

 

Singletary runs for 16-yards and sees 7 carries the rest of the day. 

 

The Bills don't make any effort to stay with a semblance of a run game for all 4-quarters despite being up most of the game. 

I do agree with that. We definitely give up on the run too easy. Happened in the Detroit game. Hard when you have Allen and not want him to have the ball all the time. But what the nerds don’t get is running the ball physically wears out defenses.  You need to have of  type of balance. 

[gobills404]

45 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Every legit contender:

 

 

Sanders/Hurts 

CMC

Zeke/Pollard 

Dalvin Cook 

 

Mixon/Perine

Ekeler 

Pacheko/McKinnon

 

 

 

Devin Singletary/James Cook

 

 

 

Yea.  It’s Running Back.  

Look up a list of all the super bowl winning running backs from the past decade and get back to me

[Billz4ever]

36 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

I GUARANTEE if you look at the numbers this offense is more productive right now then it was up to this point last year.  It doesn’t mean all our problems are solved it just means there are over reactions to the wrong concerns some are having.   

I think this offense pre-bye week and post-bye week look like two completely different animals and I can't figure out why. What has changed?  Just lack of execution?  Dorsey just over-thinking it and getting away from what worked?  Teams made adjustments?  I just can't put my finger on it.  

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Did you honestly think they were going to lose? They just lost their hunger and were richarding around. I’m know we don’t like the chiefs but you have to be a homer to think our offense is playing as good as theirs. Can certainly change but this has been a very uneven month.

 

They don't look as great as people think at times...against the Titans and Rams they looked bad a lot of the game. 

[Nihilarian]

My take is something is off with Josh Allen, his elbow, his arm...something. AND, he was pressing at times while attempting to do far to much on his own. Too many turnovers in those losses!

 

The offense has settled into a "lets help Josh" mentality.  24 rush attempts vs 27 pass attempts. 

 

Josh final game stats, 16 of 27 for 147, 1 TD is what we were used to seeing in the first quarter in the early games this season. 

 

Yet, Josh is still sorta playing hero as he was the leading rusher, 10 for 47, 1 TD.

Although, Singletary was 8 for 39, a 4.9 AVG. 

 

Time of Possession, Jets 34:25 vs Bills 25:35. 2 turnovers were the difference. Fugly win, but a win nonetheless. 

 

Opposing teams have figured out how to defend the Bills offense (aside for Diggs, who is unmatched) This falls on the rookie OC, who is learning as he goes. Look how long it took Daboll to get that offense clicking like he did at the end of last season.

Anyone else recall how bad the Buffalo offense looked against the Jaguars in 2021?

 

That Buffalo defense played "lights out" and really carried this game IMO.

 

Current Stats, Buffalo offense, #4 in points scored, #2 in yards. Buffalo defense, #2 in points allowed, #9 in yards allowed. Getting healthy finally too. 

 

Let's hope Dorsey is saving something for the playoffs or perhaps for this Miami game.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, Billz4ever said:

I have to agree with Josh being very conservative.  I don't know if the red zone turnover thing has been haunting him or if it's being beaten into his head not to make those throws, but he did have the endzone toss last week to Davis that would normally not be considered a wise throw.

 

I do agree though, it seems Josh is either not wanting to pull the trigger or he's just not seeing the open receiver.

 

In a re-do today, I don't think Josh ever attempts that game winner to Knox against KC and I'm sure a bunch of others we saw earlier in the year.

You could see the flag thrown in the replay before he let go of the ball. My guess is he knew he had a free play. Maybe not but the flag was right in his line of sight. 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

They don't look as great as people think at times...against the Titans and Rams they looked bad a lot of the game. 

Definitely not saying they are perfect but they are number 1 in yards and number 2 in points (.2 behind the Eagles) after trading TH who is on a record pace himself. How would our offense be looking this year without Diggs? 

[njbuff]

33 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

I sure hope this take is correct. They need to flip that switch for MIA and CIN and can probably cruise through the Bears and Pats. 

I really don’t know if having home field is a motivating factor for the Bills. IT SHOULD, but I don’t know.

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Definitely not saying they are perfect but they are number 1 in yards and number 2 in points (.2 behind the Eagles) after trading TH who is on a record pace himself. How would our offense be looking this year without Diggs? 

 

Depends who they got to replace him...they went out and signed Juju Smith-Schuster, MVS and drafted Skyy Moore. Probably made them more versatile rather than just relying on Kelce and Hill.

Edited December 12, 2022 by Big Turk

[Billz4ever]

59 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Yeah...he says defenses aren't able to get into complex coverages in the hurry-up and have to play simpler.  My question is why don't the Bills run that more often then? Why allow the defenses to play what they want?

Wouldn't that be something if this version of the Bills implemented a no-huddle offense?  We've got a certain HoF guy still hanging around that can give them a few pointers...

[HaldimandBills]

The offensive playmaker for this team where never superior talent outside Diggs. What will make the Bills forever special is Josh Allen scrambling ability and ability to extend plays. 

 

Watching the games the past few weeks it is imperative that we find a solid slot receiver with sure hands who can also attack the middle of the field. 

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Singletary is averaging 4.4 ypc. 

 

Cook is averaging 5.1 ypc. 

 

Allen is averaging 6.3 ypc. 

 

Singletary runs for 16-yards and sees 7 carries the rest of the day. 

 

The Bills don't make any effort to stay with a semblance of a run game for all 4-quarters despite being up most of the game. 

It’s maddening isn’t it?  
 

And cook was an afterthought after having a couple nice showings.  
 

The only way I can rationalize cooks usage last game is that KD doesn’t want to show all of our cards so teams can figure out our hand come playoffs.  Cover 1 did a great breakdown of cooke touches in the run game showing he’s had much of his success on just 3 run plays.  I think we should be feeding cook short passes all game.  
 

but thinking that KD would be holding stuff back would be giving him too much credit. He’s just not that good of an OC.  Yet.   
 

Hopefully we use him a LOT Vs Miami.  They were bringing blitzes all game vs Herbert and he did a helluva job navigating the pocket and locating and hitting the open man  Josh has to excel in that regard next week.  Cook is the ideal target

[TheFunPolice]

There's more talent on this offense than we're seeing, IMO

 

I think it's at least as much about player utilization. Cook, a top pick, is basically invisible. Hines, the guy they "couldn't wait to get" is invisible. 

 

Gabe Davis, the man who was uncoverable in the playoffs, invisible. 

Dawson Knox, a guy who was making some huge strides, invisible most of the time. 

McKenzie, who had some nice games filling in for Beasley, invisible. 

 

At a certain point it can't all be that these guys forgot how to play football. 

[Big Turk]

11 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

I think this offense pre-bye week and post-bye week look like two completely different animals and I can't figure out why. What has changed?  Just lack of execution?  Dorsey just over-thinking it and getting away from what worked?  Teams made adjustments?  I just can't put my finger on it.  

 

Probably all of the above.

[Nihilarian]

54 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

We get every team's A game.

 
The Jets are an elite Defense.  
 

The Packers have an elite Secondary.  
 

Detroit has 1 loss since Halloween (us down Dawkins and Morse). 
 

We curb stomped New England.  
 

The Vikings choke should have never happened and Allen coming in with the elbow sprain doesn’t have 2 turnovers (the fumble and the OT INT where the play call was terrible and essentially green lit him to go hero ball). 
 

We handled Cleveland no problem.  Motor and Cook 170 yards rushing.  31 points.  
 

We just played a top 3 D in awful conditions and did what we needed to do - took no chances because the D had the game in control.  Still scored 20 points on just 50 offensive plays - bc too many 3rd and longs and drops —

 

This!

 

Buffalo beat a very tough Detroit team and the Vikings didn't! 

 

The Buffalo offense is doing just enough to win the game. The Bills defense is playing well. Those hits on Mike White...whoa! 

 

The Jets only sacked Allen 3x, 4x QB hits total. That first game they sacked Josh 5x and hit him 8x.

 

I also question who is injured and still out there playing? Gabe Davis? O line? Allen?

[Bruffalo]

Offensive line performance is a big part of the woes. I haven't read most of the replies here but Allen is hurried and the timing is constantly off. It doesn't help that Dorsey seems to LOVE long developing plays as well. 

[Billz4ever]

3 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

This!

 

Buffalo beat a very tough Detroit team and the Vikings didn't! 

 

The Buffalo offense is doing just enough to win the game. The Bills defense is playing well. Those hits on Mike White...whoa! 

 

The Jets only sacked Allen 3x, 4x QB hits total. That first game they sacked Josh 5x and hit him 8x.

 

I also question who is injured and still out there playing? Gabe Davis? O line? Allen?

Bills were 2-13 on third down and Josh had 147 yards.  If it weren't for the D yesterday, we lose that game.