Orlovsky: Bills aren't as talented offensively as we thought

[H2o]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

We need help on OL and WR.

 

Which makes me believe that we have to re-sign/extend Poyer, Edmunds, and Oliver. We just can't afford to create any more holes on defense that necessitate a top 100 pick on defense. Being able to somehow retain Philips and Lawson would be a huge bonus.

 

Buffalo needs to grab a WR and 2 OL in the fist 3 rounds this offseason. 

I agree on keeping Poyer and Edmunds. We don't have to worry about Oliver until 2024 because 2023 is 5th year option. JP is on a two year deal so will be here next year as well. Lawson should be able to be retained relatively cheap I would imagine. The main thing that HAS to be upgraded for Josh is the OL. He's running for his life more often than not, on basically every play. Yes I want another WR, but we HAVE to fix the OL. If it wasn't for Josh's mobility, they would be seen as one of the worst units in the NFL. 

[Boatdrinks]

18 minutes ago, somnus00 said:

Dorsey seems to be on tilt. The offense is struggling to find a rhythm, and instead of taking the easy first downs, he calls a 5 step drop on 3rd and 2 yesterday. 7 step drops on 3rd and 9.

 

Let's get into a rhythm first before taking those shots. Earlier in the season, Dorsey seemed to have a better feel for the game and how to set up plays. These last few weeks he seems like he's pulling plays out of a hat.

Or somewhere else…. He needs to do better and soon

[Straight Hucklebuck]

39 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

I don't like admitting it, but he makes fair points.  We are in 3rd and long far too often.  The O-line is not doing a great job and much of our offense is Josh creating on the fly, not executing the plays as designed because he either doesn't have time, or isn't finding an open receiver.

 

Outside of Josh and Diggs who has any confidence in anyone else in this offense?  

 

I'd say Motor, but he needs the blocking to be there and for the most part, it's not.

 

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=35237773

I love how ESPN comes to the party in December like they are breaking a story here. Thanks Dan! 👏

 

This is why many fans saw the need for the Bills to start running the ball to keep this offense more on a schedule. 

 

This is why when WGR keeps banging the drum to pass-pass-pass-pass, fans say we do need to run the ball.

 

It's disappointing that Cook continues to come and go. 14 carries for 64 yards against the Patriots, yesterday he got 4 carries, many of them late. 

 

In terms of the pass game, all the Bills can do is just drill, drill, drill with the guys they have. Dawson Knox is not suddenly going to become the second option at 80-100 yards per game.

 

The Bills haven't tried a deep shot to Gabe Davis since the Allen 70-yarder against the Jets. 

 

The Bills need to run the ball more, and stay out of 3rd-10+. 

 

 

 

[WideNine]

14 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

We get every team's A game.

 
The Jets are an elite Defense.  
 

The Packers have an elite Secondary.  
 

Detroit has 1 loss since Halloween (us down Dawkins and Morse). 
 

We curb stomped New England.  
 

The Vikings choke should have never happened and Allen coming in with the elbow sprain doesn’t have 2 turnovers (the fumble and the OT INT where the play call was terrible and essentially green lit him to go hero ball). 
 

We handled Cleveland no problem.  Motor and Cook 170 yards rushing.  31 points.  
 

We just played a top 3 D in awful conditions and did what we needed to do - took no chances because the D had the game in control.  Still scored 20 points on just 50 offensive plays - bc too many 3rd and longs and drops —

 

 

Which leads to THE reason anyone would doubt this offense.   The RBs are underwhelming and scare no one.  
 

Against all the defenses just mentioned above if you can stop our running game with just 5-6 in the box and have a great secondary you can absolutely slow us down some.  

 

Running with Singletary/Moss for 3 years - the decision was made to not use draft capital on an RB or cap space.  This offense is all Josh.  It’s not too much unlike KC.  But their oline is better running the ball.  

 

I agree with pretty much everything Coach said. 

 

I do temper my disappointment with the offense by considering how little the Jets were able to do against our defense and I don't think Lafleur is that shabby as a young OC 

 

I don't know if teams consistently stop our running game. Some stops yes, but we give up far too often and just go empty sets before establishing any rhythm.

 

Most teams keep pounding the rock just to keep opposing defenses honest and QBs upright, or god forbid to run out the clock when nursing a 2 score lead late in a bad weather game.

 

Not Dorsey. He can be stubbornly ineffective. Not that I was opposed that much to the boot leg toss to Knox.

 

Allen does not roll out to that side much and it was setup perfectly off of play action. It was wide open, but the drops, the drops, and the drops.

 

 

 

 

[NewEra]

23 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Every legit contender:

 

 

Sanders/Hurts 

CMC

Zeke/Pollard 

Dalvin Cook 

 

Mixon/Perine

Ekeler 

Pacheko/McKinnon

 

 

 

Devin Singletary/James Cook

 

 

 

Yea.  It’s Running Back.  

Sure….you’d like to talk about contenders…. How about we talk about champions.  You know, the team that actually wins the super bowl.  
 

 

[BigDingus]

I feel like some of that is Dorsey's offense & the team not being quite on the same page as they were under Daboll. 

 

The O-line still isn't good imo, just serviceable. Josh also hasn't been as patient with taking what the defense gives him, leading to go falling back into old tendencies.

 

Biggest sore spot is still redzone offense.  

Turnovers & inability to score TDs has helped keep lesser teams in many games against us.

[Mango]

1 minute ago, H2o said:

I agree on keeping Poyer and Edmunds. We don't have to worry about Oliver until 2024 because 2023 is 5th year option. JP is on a two year deal so will be here next year as well. Lawson should be able to be retained relatively cheap I would imagine. The main thing that HAS to be upgraded for Josh is the OL. He's running for his life more often than not, on basically every play. Yes I want another WR, but we HAVE to fix the OL. If it wasn't for Josh's mobility, they would be seen as one of the worst units in the NFL. 

 

 

I believe that Philips 2 year deal is a void year. Spotrac has him listed as an UFA for 2023. So we will be taking a cap hit for him but as of now is not on the roster for 2023 without a new contract. 

About OL, that is why I said 2 OL in the first 3 rounds. Losing Morse will be huge if he doesn't re-sign or retire. I have said for a bit, if the Bills find a LT they love, they shouldn't hesitate to move Dawkins inside. They can upgrade both positions with one draft pick in that scenario. 

[jahnyc]

Our offense would be awful without Allen.  His ability to run, make difficult passes and improvise is why we have any offense success at all.

 

Watching the Chargers yesterday was interesting.  Herbert had a great game playing behind an awful o-line, but he had some really good skill players that made plays when it mattered.  We really only have Diggs, and our skill positions (and o-line) do need an upgrade.

 

Cook has been a disappointment because he seems to lack the outside speed that I thought was one of the reasons we were drafting him in the second round.  He just doesn't look fast when he plays.  McKenzie needs to be replaced as the starting slot receiver.  He is too inconsistent and his drops yesterday hurt the team.

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

*10-3 with the #1 spot in the AFC

*2nd most yards per game in the league.

*4th highest scoring offense in the league this season. (2.5 points per game behind the leader)

 

I would love to see the Bills score 40 points every game and never punt.  I'll hold off on panicking for now though.

 

 

[Antonio]

1 hour ago, Billz4ever said:

I don't like admitting it, but he makes fair points.  We are in 3rd and long far too often.  The O-line is not doing a great job and much of our offense is Josh creating on the fly, not executing the plays as designed because he either doesn't have time, or isn't finding an open receiver.

 

Outside of Josh and Diggs who has any confidence in anyone else in this offense?  

 

I'd say Motor, but he needs the blocking to be there and for the most part, it's not.

 

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=35237773

 

Do you think this offense is better or worst than last yeras offense?

[Charles Romes]

Not unlike the chiefs who have Mahomes and Kelce and then a bunch of jags on offense

Edited December 12, 2022 by Charles Romes

[C.Biscuit97]

I mean it’s kind of true. I do r watch the all 22 but are our receivers not getting separation. Or is Allen locked in Diggs. Definitely Davis has been a disappointment. And McKenzie is showing why he’s never had a big role for any team. 
 

the thing that really drives me crazy is the Jets 4th string rb might be better than our guys. The one thing the Bills could always find when they were terrible is an rb. Crazy 

[Einstein]

This tends to happen when you spend the bulk of your resources on defense.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, Charles Romes said:

Not unlike the chiefs who have Mahomes and Kelce and then a bunch of jags on offense

But the major difference is the Chiefs offense is getting better. Maybe it’s just the Allen injury but this offense has been off for like a month now. 

[Boatdrinks]

11 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I love how ESPN comes to the party in December like they are breaking a story here. Thanks Dan! 👏

 

This is why many fans saw the need for the Bills to start running the ball to keep this offense more on a schedule. 

 

This is why when WGR keeps banging the drum to pass-pass-pass-pass, fans say we do need to run the ball.

 

It's disappointing that Cook continues to come and go. 14 carries for 64 yards against the Patriots, yesterday he got 4 carries, many of them late. 

 

In terms of the pass game, all the Bills can do is just drill, drill, drill with the guys they have. Dawson Knox is not suddenly going to become the second option at 80-100 yards per game.

 

The Bills haven't tried a deep shot to Gabe Davis since the Allen 70-yarder against the Jets. 

 

The Bills need to run the ball more, and stay out of 3rd-10+. 

 

 

 

The Bills just don’t have the OL to run the ball at will when they want to. The backs are pretty mediocre too. They can win matchups vs certain teams and not vs others. They need to stay in good down and distance , but that is more difficult without a reliable ground attack. Not sure how much of this can / will change this season. They’ll have to win with what they’ve got. 

[Low Positive]

11 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

I feel like some of that is Dorsey's offense & the team not being quite on the same page as they were under Daboll. 

 

The O-line still isn't good imo, just serviceable. Josh also hasn't been as patient with taking what the defense gives him, leading to go falling back into old tendencies.

 

Biggest sore spot is still redzone offense.  

Turnovers & inability to score TDs has helped keep lesser teams in many games against us.

At this point last year, Daboll's offense was an absolute mess. 

[Big Turk]

40 minutes ago, njbuff said:

Yet, the Bills are 10-3 while playing C+ football.

 

It’s pretty obvious the Bills are just trying to get to the post season at this point.

 

It should be terrifying to other teams they are 10-3 with losses coming by a combined 8 points...one in a game where the heat and 12 starters out by the end of the game doomed them as much as them leaving 24+ points on the field. The other 2 coming with double digit leads blown, and one in ridiculous fashion.  

 

This is just a damn good team that pretty much is undefeated when they aren't doing stupid things to beat themselves,

Edited December 12, 2022 by Big Turk

[Boatdrinks]

5 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

*10-3 with the #1 spot in the AFC

*2nd most yards per game in the league.

*4th highest scoring offense in the league this season. (2.5 points per game behind the leader)

 

I would love to see the Bills score 40 points every game and never punt.  I'll hold off on panicking for now though.

 

 

Many of those numbers were accumulated earlier in the season, to be fair. Offensive production has fallen off greatly the last 5 or 6 games. Not a good trend heading toward playoff football. 

[Process]

5 minutes ago, Charles Romes said:

Not unlike the chiefs who have Mahomes and Kelce and then a bunch of jags on offense

They have a better o line and Andy Ried which makes a huge difference 

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

But the major difference is the Chiefs offense is getting better. Maybe it’s just the Allen injury but this offense has been off for like a month now. 

 

Mahomes almost gave the game away with 3!!!! INT's yesterday in a game they led 27-0 at one point against the worst offense in football by a mile.