If the offense keeps struggling does Dorsey get fired ?

[In Summary]

3 minutes ago, Mango said:

I think the OP here is a little harsh maybe,  but ultimately I think the premise of forcing low percentage plays too often has been accurate going all the way back to GB.

 

Cincinnati playing the Browns tight, or any game Mahomes has is totally irrelevant to that point. 
 

This fan base is in SB mode, and I agree with the OP, if the team does not figure out how to get in a high percentage rhythm that keeps the chains moving, we won’t be able to reach that goal. I could care less if anybody else had a bad game. 

This! 
 

It might be on the table without a collapse if he was a McBeane hire. But that all changes when your QB goes to bat for a specific guy to be in charge. 

Too many factors make Dorsey safe.

• 1st year OC
• Questionable OL talent at the guards
• Slot receiver not emerging after Crowder gets injured.

The popular view is that this is an Allen/Diggs high powered offensive team, but I'd say the Bills identity is really that of a premier Defensive team who also have two marquee offensive players.  In the off-season, I thought both OL and DL were weak in the middle.  Beane did a great job in getting D. Jones with Oliver and Edmunds benefitting greatly.  Dorsey does pretty well with what he has.  If I were to pick at him, it would be on whatever lack of focus is leading to dropped passes. 

 

[Mango]

11 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Why would how other playoff teams in the AFC look be irrelevant to the bills potential playoff success? Lol every team is up and down….I’d take being down in a game against one of the best defenses in the league in terrible weather over what a lot of the other good afc teams did last week.  Gmfb singling out the bills as the only team winning ugly is preposterous 😂. That’s the point of my post.  
 

Every shot josh took in this game was well calculated imo…single coverage with separation.  And seeing as the underneath guys are dropping even more balls than anyone im ok with taking those shots.  Nobody seems to care or talk about them when they work

 

i don’t think Dorsey is the best offensive coordinator in the league by any means but marginally better execution from the players and we are undefeated right now.  
 

This revisionist history with Daboll I’ve been seeing is comical…we looked completely lost for 4 quarters quite a few times last year and were 7-6 at this point against a much easier schedule with a much healthier team 

OP is saying Josh isn’t taking what’s given to him. 
 

You are saying sometimes Mahomes isn’t great.

 

I am saying that no matter how good or bad another QB may or may not play has no impact on whether or not ours needs to be better. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

OP is saying Josh isn’t taking what’s given to him. 
 

You are saying sometimes Mahomes isn’t great.

 

I am saying that no matter how good or bad another QB may or may not play has no impact on whether or not ours needs to be better. 

I never even said  ‘mahomes isn’t great’ and I think you missed my point 😂.the person I’m replying to said gmfb  is saying our offense isn’t very good and we aren’t built to play in bad weather so we will struggle in the playoffs and I vehemently disagreed with point 2 and point 1 is a ridiculous thing to single the bills out on.  all the AFC playoff teams have holes and have been up and down offensively and otherwise. Why would we compare our team to some hypothetically perfect team when there are very real teams we will see in the playoffs.  
 

I used the chiefs as an example because you could easily say all the same things about them as they are a team carried by two offensive players that have been up and down and they don’t even have a very good defense to fall back on.  It’s just odd that everyone is acting so defeated when we have a legitimate shot to enter the playoffs with wins over the 1-6 seeds and maybe even 1-7 seeds. 
 

and finally I would somewhat disagree with the OPs premise as it relates to the jets game at least.  If you’ve got a guy with a step in single coverage against the jets that’s a shot you take.  Putting a long dink and dunk drive together against them would’ve been tough as there were frequently dlinemen in the passing lanes, our receivers could not catch, and we were holding on every other play.

Josh took the shots he needed to and they were pretty high percentage plays we just whiffed on them all.  
That’s not to say the ‘he tries to force chunk plays’ criticism hasn’t been accurate at times earlier in the season though.  
 

so really I think I addressed a lot of the topics in that original comment i was replying to 😂

 

We’re just caught up in this cycle of beating a team and then concluding the team we beat wasn’t any good and we should’ve won by more and doing the whole thing again next week lol.  The lions win is my personal favorite as we caught them in the middle of their streak where they have been arguably the hottest team in football and people saw the win as a negative somehow.  We might be the only team that beats them the last 9 weeks of the season 

Edited December 12, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Bad Things]

We're 10 and 3, for crying out loud!

When did Bills fans become so bloody miserable?

[ColoradoBills]

7 minutes ago, Bad Things said:

We're 10 and 3, for crying out loud!

When did Bills fans become so bloody miserable?

 

I don't know but it really is starting to bug me.  I know I shouldn't let it, but my god it's irritating.

 

I'll give you an example.  A month ago, the Bills were forcing everything and turning over the ball way too often.

Since, they changed the O to a more stable balanced approach, they won 4 games with a total of 2 turnovers.

Are they happy for that?  No.  Now it's all about the O doesn't get enough yards and touchdowns so fire the OC.

I blame the parents.

[Gunsgoodtime]

20 minutes ago, Bad Things said:

We're 10 and 3, for crying out loud!

When did Bills fans become so bloody miserable?

For me it started with Wide right.  It only got worse after that. Im sure everyone has their own starting point though.

Edited December 12, 2022 by Gunsgoodtime

[Bad Things]

7 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

For me it started with Wide right.  It only got worse after that. Im sure everyone has their own starting point though.

You've been miserable as a Bills fan since Wide Right?

Why would you come here and spend time doing something that causes you misery?

 

During all those years of the drought, we dreamt of having a team like this.  First place in the AFC with a 10-3 record.

Now we finally have success, and fans would rather be miserable than celebrate success?

 

WTF?

 

[Gunsgoodtime]

1 minute ago, Bad Things said:

You've been miserable as a Bills fan since Wide Right?

Why would you come here and spend time doing something that causes you misery?

 

During all those years of the drought, we dreamt of having a team like this.  First place in the AFC with a 10-3 record.

Now we finally have success, and fans would rather be miserable than celebrate success?

 

WTF?

 

I guess our standard of success is different. 

[Bimmer323i]

I say give the guy a break it’s his first year calling plays and we’re 10-3… Look at how bad Daboll was at times last year and it was his 4th year…. I think it would be a huge set back to hire another OC and have our offense learn a totally new system….

[Buffalo Boy]

8 hours ago, Xwnyer said:

Why this team sucks at screens and sweeps amazes. Me 

    I couldn’t agree more.

    People joke about “tells” but they have to be giving it away. Opponents consistently sniff out our screens. 
   

[Rocky Landing]

Well, we're the fourth highest scoring offense in the league, second in point differential. We're 10-3, and the top seed in the AFC. Our run game is the best it's been in years, with an improved O-line being the biggest factor, and are running a far more balanced offense. So, we should fire our OC, and bring in Matt Rhule. We can't have enough Panthers blood at OBD!

[Goin Breakdown]

8 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

apparently his philosophy vs the jets was to target their strongest defenders and wanted nothing to do with exploiting the weaknesses…. COOL. 

Im Not surprised one bit. Bills coaches out think themselves. For being a stats reliant team, they sure don't listen to them do they.

[WotAGuy]

8 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

apparently his philosophy vs the jets was to target their strongest defenders and wanted nothing to do with exploiting the weaknesses…. COOL. 

Clearly shows we don’t have that tough, durable WR(s) with the courage and fortitude to venture into the middle of the field. 

[Buffalo Boy]

8 hours ago, Big Turk said:

This is a problem...Bills tied for 2nd in NFL in dropped passes.

 

 

    I agree yesterday it was. 
    However, we are top 8 in attempts as are TB and KC, Miami is 11 but GB is 17.

    Diggs is up at the top of receivers with 6 drops along with Davis????

Kelce, Waddle,Ekeler all have 6. 
Davis’ drops seem much more egregious when you look at his 38 Rec vs Diggs 94 and 696 vs 1239 yards.

    I feel like yesterday’s game skewed these stats.

    

 

[muppy]

3 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

All good points and as you said, Dorsey is far from perfect too.  Any Bills fan will know the offense is underperforming its potential.

The reasons can't just fit on a bumper sticker.  It's a little of everything.  All this arguing and drama over trying to figure out the "one"

reason is a fool's errand IMO, but it seems this place feasts on attempting to do just that.  

 

I'm just going to hope things start to click more Saturday and they pick up another win.  So far, it's been a great year with a 10-3 record

and a decent chance of the #1 seed.  Instead of being happy (which I am) I find myself reading all these threads that are bumming me out.

Maybe I need a break from this place

There will always be room to criticize and lament mistakes,  dropped passes and missed opportunities . But in the end it is the Scoreboard that matters. And a team that is on the cusp of a #1 seed  reading the scoreboard today is for me a Good thing. I think  we all want to win a super bowl so badly that any perceived impediment seen towards that goal has got to go. I get it. But if some fans are disgruntled at Dorsey with his record what do you suppose would happen if they fire him and then they digress the next year?  Firing someone doesn't guarantee his replacement will perform better. Dorsey isn't perfect  but then who would be as a replacement?

 

If winning the super bowl is your litmus test so be it. MAYBE lets see how this season unfolds before talking about kicking a guy to the curb. Perfection is not possible folks sorry to break it to you. 

 

To the red bolded ColoBills imo being  fan of this team is too ingrained in most of us to ever just give it up completely. Same with this  board. It's like the Hotel California. "You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave" @Draconator 🙂

 

Indeed.

 

 

Edited December 12, 2022 by muppy

[White Linen]

9 hours ago, Real McNasty said:

#4 in the NFL as of now for points scored with a 10-3 record.  How does that reflect a rookie OC that needs to be fired?

 

How many WR drops, turnovers or off target throws is Dorsey responsible for? 

 

I'm all for the first part of your post but he needs to be better.  His game plans have been questionable from the Miami game forward.   Very little creativity in his short yardage plays.  His in game play calling is not strong.   

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Dorsey says the offense is evolving.

 

I’m not sure where or what it is.

 

 

[Bad Things]

1 hour ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

I guess our standard of success is different. 

It sure looks that way.

That said, how would you define success at this point of the season?  If this isn't it, what is?

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Listening to Dorsey, I don't expect any changes. 

 

- I don't think any big Hines package is coming. 

 

- I think Cook's touches are going to be erratic

 

- I don't think any expansion of Gabe Davis routes is coming

 

- When Dorsey talks about balance in the offense it really makes no sense 

 

- There wasn't a huge role for Crowder when he did play, but maybe between an occasional John Brown target, Cole Beasley 😬 back in the slot, Dawson Knox occasionally making a big play we can still be in that 25 points per game neighborhood. 

 

I have faith in Allen and Diggs. And Dorsey played the position, was a National Champion, and has years in the NFL. I just don't expect a lot to change. There are 4-games left, who is really suddenly going to develop a role now?

[without a drought]

22 hours ago, Bad Things said:

We're 10 and 3, for crying out loud!

When did Bills fans become so bloody miserable?

 I'm not sure when,  but I know why.

 

Unrealistic expectations for a lot of them.

 

And the rest are just miserable no matter what.