Gregory Rousseau is becoming elite

[947]

I hope Von still runs his Pass Rush Summit this year. Groot & our other DEs need that work.

[BBills_88]

8 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

You can add a more whole bunch of different moves, but it doesn’t mean anything unless you can dominate your man by using them.   What I am saying….easier said than done. 

That is how you dominate who is in front of you, keep them guessing of what you are going to do, especially in a only passing situation?

[HappyDays]

35 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Funny thing…come playoff time he was MIA, but as long as some fancy stat says he is great value, that is all that matters.  Who cares if the eye test says otherwise. 

 

Give him a chance to develop. He performed worse at the end of the year after an ankle injury and after he started getting more attention because Von wasn't there. 3rd year was always going to be his big step year anyways. He started just 13 games in college and took a year off from football during covid. He will be 23 when the season starts, younger than a lot of rookies will be. So he was never going to hit his ceiling right away. I'm really excited to see him reach his potential and I think we start to see it this year.

[Meatloaf63]

On 1/22/2023 at 10:43 PM, 97bills said:

And who knows what von will be next year.. dude is old and coming off he’s second née injury. And probably want be ready until the end of next year. So yea that contract isn’t looking so good right now. Buffalo brought him end to win it this year, 

Von expects to be read at or near the beginning of the season.

[gobills404]

50 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Funny thing…come playoff time he was MIA, but as long as some fancy stat says he is great value, that is all that matters.  Who cares if the eye test says otherwise. 

The "eye test" from fans who watch games once from the broadcast angle is worth less than nothing

[mikemac2001]

Just now, gobills404 said:

The "eye test" from fans who watch games once from the broadcast angle is worth less than nothing

Ya he did seem MIA but I wasn’t watching the film and breaking him down play by play. Give the guy another off-season to work on his body and technique and go from there. 

[BarleyNY]

44 minutes ago, BBills_88 said:

 

The kid can be better , he can add some different pass rush moves to his bag. Spends, bends, more violent hands, use the OLINE's leverage, bull rushing and speed rush.

 

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/greg-rousseau
 

This is really worth looking at. Rousseau has some very good attributes and can do some things very well, but he’s never going to have any bend or be good at change of direction.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

15 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said:

Ya he did seem MIA but I wasn’t watching the film and breaking him down play by play. Give the guy another off-season to work on his body and technique and go from there. 

We have no choice but to do this. 

[somnus00]

33 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Give him a chance to develop. He performed worse at the end of the year after an ankle injury and after he started getting more attention because Von wasn't there. 3rd year was always going to be his big step year anyways. He started just 13 games in college and took a year off from football during covid. He will be 23 when the season starts, younger than a lot of rookies will be. So he was never going to hit his ceiling right away. I'm really excited to see him reach his potential and I think we start to see it this year.

And he was recruited to Miami to play as a WR. He converted to DE. That's just nuts. He was always going to be a project, and it does seem like he's developing well. 

[nosejob]

On 12/11/2022 at 9:33 PM, Big Turk said:

He is a force against the run also and sets the edge tremendously well

 

A DE shouldn't be seen chasing down someone headed for the endzone....from a long ways away. Just going off memory from the Cincy game.

 

Also, in 2020 ...or whatever his last year in college was, he was like a half sack or so behind Chase Young?....so pick 30 vs. pick 1?

Edited February 7, 2023 by nosejob

[LABILLBACKER]

56 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Give him a chance to develop. He performed worse at the end of the year after an ankle injury and after he started getting more attention because Von wasn't there. 3rd year was always going to be his big step year anyways. He started just 13 games in college and took a year off from football during covid. He will be 23 when the season starts, younger than a lot of rookies will be. So he was never going to hit his ceiling right away. I'm really excited to see him reach his potential and I think we start to see it this year.

Well I hope you're right. He's the only remaining young DE I have any faith in.  And I'd be lying if I didn't say his performance post Von injury was weak.  I'm expecting a minimum of 10 sacks. Especially if Von plays most of the season.  AJE & Boogie are future cuts.  There's nothing remarkable there to work with. 

Edited February 7, 2023 by LABILLBACKER

[Thrivefourfive]

I want him to intercept passes and bat down balls. Don’t be crazy upfield working your way back down the pocket to a quality QB who’s already let the ball go. 

[nosejob]

6 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Well I hope you're right. He's the only remaining young DE I have any faith in.  And I'd be lying if I didn't say his performance post Von injury was weak.  I'm expecting a minimum of 10 sacks. Especially if Von plays most of the season.  AJE & Boogie are future cuts.  There's nothing remarkable there to work with. 

How many teams have rotational players who are starters elsewhere? Are we supposed to have 4 Von Millers? Good luck growing old waiting for that. Plus our D.C. is a geriatric statue with no idea how to adapt to anything. I'm amazed at how we performed out of the gate this past year, but the same approach will bury us early this year. Josh can't do it all.

Edited February 7, 2023 by nosejob

[LABILLBACKER]

1 minute ago, nosejob said:

How many teams have rotational players who are starters elsewhere? Are we supposed to have 4 Von Millers? Good luck growing old waiting for that.

Why do I want to rotate bad players. Get these guys in better shape so your top front 4 can play 70% of the time.  What is this NBA load management?  I don't see olineman getting rotated like hockey shifts.

[Buffalo Junction]

9 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Well I hope you're right. He's the only remaining young DE I have any faith in.  And I'd be lying if I didn't say his performance post Von injury was weak.  I'm expecting a minimum of 10 sacks. Especially if Von plays most of the season.  AJE & Boogie are future cuts.  There's nothing remarkable there to work with. 

If you take his sack per game percentage and apply it to 17 games instead of the 13 he played then Rousseau was on pace for 10.5 sacks. 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Junction said:

If you take his sack per game percentage and apply it to 17 games instead of the 13 he played then Rousseau was on pace for 10.5 sacks. 

And I can live with him and those numbers as my DE2.  But in a couple years when Von is likely gone, don't be surprised to see those double digits disappear.  We failed miserably on AJ & Boogie so as much as this makes me nauseous,  we'll have to keep drafting 1 per year or hope more cap$ gets freed up.  I wish we could afford Chris Jones in a year but I know that's not realistic. 

[John from Riverside]

So now, all of a sudden we’re down on Groot. It’s at where we’re at.

[JaCrispy]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

So now, all of a sudden we’re down on Groot. It’s at where we’re at.

No, I was down on him when we drafted him…there were other more athletically elite DEs on the board…Groot scares no one, unfortunately…

[John from Riverside]

3 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

No, I was down on him when we drafted him…there were other more athletically elite DEs on the board…Groot scares no one, unfortunately…

Jesus

[LABILLBACKER]

6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

So now, all of a sudden we’re down on Groot. It’s at where we’re at.

We're not down on him. But you also can't ignore his dip in performance w/o Von.  Remember when you draft a player in the last 10-12 picks of the first round,  you're not getting 1st round talent. Every year there's usually only 12-18 true 1st round grades.  I can live with 10-11 sacks over the next 2 seasons as long as Von gets 12+.  If you want elite pass rushers you'll have to pay big bucks. Especially with how terrible our DE scouts are.