Just Gonna Say It: Von Miller was very good, but not great this year.

[Success]

I'm curious to see how the other guys step up. Groot could be a true force, and has shown flashes of that. I like how Lawson has been playing. Even Epenesa has had some of his best rushes this year.

 

Gonna need them all to elevate their games to make up for Von's loss.  I think we'll still be able to get a lot of pressure on opposing QB's.

 

[Sharky7337]

Could kept Jerry Hughes for peanuts on comparison and gotten the same production.

 

They are tied in sacks.

 

 

[RiotAct]

2 hours ago, Sharky7337 said:

Could kept Jerry Hughes for peanuts on comparison and gotten the same production.

 

They are tied in sacks.

 

 

Maybe, maybe not.  Every team plays Buffalo like it’s their Super Bowl.  can’t say the same about the Texans.

[John from Riverside]

3 hours ago, Sharky7337 said:

Could kept Jerry Hughes for peanuts on comparison and gotten the same production.

 

They are tied in sacks.

 

 

I actually would’ve liked to of seen that happen. I think the bills were trying to go younger.

[Mark Vader]

@ChicagoRic

Are you going to acknowledge any of these posts?

You start this thread and then disappear. When you write something this provocative, at least have the decency to see what others post in response and respond to their rebuttals.

 

Otherwise, call this a LAMP thread.

Edited December 11, 2022 by Mark Vader

[Tanoros]

4 hours ago, Sharky7337 said:

Could kept Jerry Hughes for peanuts on comparison and gotten the same production.

 

They are tied in sacks.

 

 

Von made plays that Jerry didn’t make. Getting sacks or pressure at key moments. We didn’t get that as much from Jerry.  Comparing numbers alone doesn’t work, Von had a bigger impact than Jerry did any of the last few years. 

[Chaos]

50 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I actually would’ve liked to of seen that happen. I think the bills were trying to go younger.

Miller is 7 months younger than Hughes.  Unusual youth movement. 

[LeGOATski]

41 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

@ChicagoRic

Are you going to acknowledge any of these posts?

You start this thread and then disappear. When you write something this provocative, at least have the decency to see what others post in response and respond to their rebuttals.

 

Otherwise, call this a LAMP thread.

There should probably be a rule that the thread locks if the OP doesn't respond within 48 hours

 

We can call it the Brick Tamland rule

[ChicagoRic]

Okay. Acknowledged. Sorry, but I'm not a super frequent poster, especially when you consider i go all the way back to the Rochester D&C days.

 

Thanks to all of the posters who responded with actual opinions and did not resort to personal attacks.

 

While i respect the opinions of those that think Von Miller has been "Great", I'm sticking with my "Very Good".  He's had a few big splash plays and garnered lots and lots of attention from the talking heads on TV, but on balance is not an elite, top tier guy anymore. Kudos to whoever pointed out the blown plays that somewhat offset the splash plays. Somebody in this thread compared him to Bruce Smith. Just no. 

 

Another theory that drives me nuts is "well, you're not seeing the whole picture because he was saving himself for the postseason."  Sorry, but this is not a thing, because, guess what? Injuries happen. The NFL is a give it your all or sit on the bench league. 

 

Given his age and injury history,  this was always going to be a risky, moonshot type of signing and it didn't pan out this year. 

 

Finally, how about a little credit to the other improvements made across the defensive line? The emergence of Rousseau and Oliver and all of that added beef up the middle (I'm looking at you Lawson, Settle, Phillps, Jones) that no doubt helped Miller be Miller.  It's a two way street. I contend that if you plug a Jerry Hughes type of player into the same situation and he'd be having a "very good" year as well. 

[LeGOATski]

2 minutes ago, ChicagoRic said:

Okay. Acknowledged. Sorry, but I'm not a super frequent poster, especially when you consider i go all the way back to the Rochester D&C days.

 

Thanks to all of the posters who responded with actual opinions and did not resort to personal attacks.

 

While i respect the opinions of those that think Von Miller has been "Great", I'm sticking with my "Very Good".  He's had a few big splash plays and garnered lots and lots of attention from the talking heads on TV, but on balance is not an elite, top tier guy anymore. Kudos to whoever pointed out the blown plays that somewhat offset the splash plays. Somebody in this thread compared him to Bruce Smith. Just no. 

 

Another theory that drives me nuts is "well, you're not seeing the whole picture because he was saving himself for the postseason."  Sorry, but this is not a thing, because, guess what? Injuries happen. The NFL is a give it your all or sit on the bench league. 

 

Given his age and injury history,  this was always going to be a risky, moonshot type of signing and it didn't pan out this year. 

 

Finally, how about a little credit to the other improvements made across the defensive line? The emergence of Rousseau and Oliver and all of that added beef up the middle (I'm looking at you Lawson, Settle, Phillps, Jones) that no doubt helped Miller be Miller.  It's a two way street. I contend that if you plug a Jerry Hughes type of player into the same situation and he'd be having a "very good" year as well. 

Maybe you needed to adjust your expectations? No one thought Miller was the best in the league still. It was even speculated that he would be on a "pitch count" and only come in to close out games. Everyone knew coming in that he's on the backside of his career. "Very good" with an emphasis on sacking the best QBs was the expectation.

 

Other players have given credit to Miller for bringing Rousseau and Oliver along, as well as the other pass rushers, so that's been an added benefit, plus his overall locker room leadership. The guy has won championships and knows what it takes. That's something a guy like Jerry Hughes does not bring.

[Danger Mouse]

I'm gutted about Von's injury tbh. I think he's been fantastic. I've loved watching him play. 

 

But I suspect he's still going to bring value to the team even off the field. He's that kind of player. He knows what it takes to win the big games and that knowledge alone will be useful you'd expect. 

[Bronxbomber21]

On 12/7/2022 at 10:35 PM, KzooMike said:

Von was never meant for the regular season. He can and will turn it on as he see's fit. He's smart like that because he still has enough in the tank to dominate any play, but he can't do it for a whole game. One thing I can say for sure is if it's 4th down and we are in the Super Bowl and we need one stop to win it, he's the most important player on the team in that moment. 

We could've used that vs the Vikings on 4th and 18 but he did close it out vs the KC this year

[Buffaloflash]

On 12/7/2022 at 10:31 PM, ChicagoRic said:

 

 

He was playing at a Jerry Hughes level.  A great player, but on the downward slope of his career. 

Now excuse me while I pull my on flame resistant suit. 

 

If ever there was a LAMP post.