OL Pass blocking was terrible times vs. NE & Drops - But a comfortable win

[Billsfan1972]

42 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Im not comparing them.  You’re moving parameters like you always do.

 

I guess Gabe Davis performance wasn’t good against the Steelers because he only had 3 catches.  Ignore every other stat.

3 for 3 in the redzone, 9 for 15 on 3rd down and held the ball for 38 minutes….none of that matters.  You cherry pick one stat that doesn’t look good and poof…we didn’t play that well.  Geezus.

 

This is the #1 DVOA defense in the NFL and we dominated them.

 

You expect perfection across the board every week.  The Bills don’t live in your unrealistic expectations and you become critical of them.

 

They are 6-6, not a juggernaut.  Jones' stats are fraudulent if you ask NE fans who watch every game.

 

Their dvoa is highly skewed on three games versus Indianapolis, New York and shutting out the Detroit Lions & throw in the Pittsburgh game. Otherwise they've been ordinary.

 

9-15 on third down was pretty much all Allen.

 

Cherry Picked stats? I pointed out the line did not play well and that is the fact.  Allen was hit six times, sacked twice and a forced fumble. He makes the line look better than it is.

 

Keep trying

Edited December 2, 2022 by Billsfan1972

[JerseyBills]

]To be fair, they did a helluva job in the run gm and NE is a great D. There were numerous plays where Josh had plenty of time, that 20 yarder to Diggs in tight space comes to mind. 

 

But my question is how do we improve? We have 4/5 starters under control next year. Do we move on from Brown after 2 years? Draft a RG? 

 

That's the only position Beane has been bad at drafting and his 1 big hit, Wyatt Teller was traded too early but I'd like to draft a G in rd 1 or 2. We'll be picking 32nd 🙏 so , 1st rd isn't out of the question 

 

I think they're a solid OL. In the 12-17 range if I were to rank them overall but Quiz did a helluva job replacing Dion going against the sack leader. We can't be top 5 in every position group

[GunnerBill]

54 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Did you miss the shovel pass to Hines or something

 

Or the multiple scrambles in key spots that we've just become accustomed to

 

This offense could not function without Allen being the best athlete in the field every game

 

I didn't say Josh wasn't great. I said last night was the least Josh-centric game this season. But the shovel pass to Hines is a good call as another play that not many athletes in the world can make. 

 

I just think last night might be the first timw this season I haven't felt like Josh HAS to be Superman for the team to win. Doesn't mean he didn't play an excellent game. 

[Billsfan1972]

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I didn't say Josh wasn't great. I said last night was the least Josh-centric game this season. But the shovel pass to Hines is a good call as another play that not many athletes in the world can make. 

 

I just think last night might be the first timw this season I haven't felt like Josh HAS to be Superman for the team to win. Doesn't mean he didn't play an excellent game. 

Both the Hines and Davis TD was on 3rd down.  Those two plays led to 11 points (TD, otherwise a punt and TD vs. FG).    

 

Otherwise the final score is 13-10.  Yes Josh was the difference plain and simple.

[Royale with Cheese]

15 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

They are 6-6, not a juggernaut.  Jones' stats are fraudulent if you ask NE fans who watch every game.

 

Their dvoa is highly skewed on three games versus Indianapolis New York and shutting out the Detroit Lions. Otherwise they've been ordinary.

 

9-15 on third down was pretty much all Allen.

 

Cherry Picked stats? I pointed out the line did not play well and that is the fact.  Allen was hit six times, sacked twice and a forced fumble. He makes the line look better than it is.

 

Keep trying

Detroit is 8th in the league in scoring and you are using it as a negative that the Pats shut them down.  “Yeah, the Pats defense would be ordinary if they didn’t play well” lol.  WTF.

 

Why was Dion Dawkins so bad last night?  
 

38 minutes not good enough ball control.

What would have been good enough?  32 for Zach Wilson means we were gashed.  38 minutes last night and we didn’t play that well.  How many minutes would have been good enough for you?

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Detroit is 8th in the league in scoring and you are using it as a negative that the Pats shut them down.  “Yeah, the Pats defense would be ordinary if they didn’t play well” lol.  WTF.

 

Why was Dion Dawkins so bad last night?  
 

38 minutes not good enough ball control.

What would have been good enough?  32 for Zach Wilson means we were gashed.  38 minutes last night and we didn’t play that well.  How many minutes would have been good enough for you?

 

Goff and brissett are absolute statues on teams that heavily rely on running the football which is the perfect matchup for those slow thumpers NE has at linebacker.  NE has been getting roughed up by dual threat qbs all year 

[Big Turk]

Dawkins is an important player for us. Yes he gets beat at times but so does everyone. He also has a LOT of reps where he is stonewalling his guy and the All-22 shows Allen standing in a pocket that is immaculate.

 

Overall I thought they did not terrible other than a few reps for what they were working with.

 

Brown handled Judon one on one quite a few times and did mostly well.

 

Not sure if Pats are so scared of Allen running that he is instructed not to try and go wide and just kind of play contain but he is almost always a ghost against us. Recovered a fumble but other than that barely noticed him.

[GunnerBill]

24 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Both the Hines and Davis TD was on 3rd down.  Those two plays led to 11 points (TD, otherwise a punt and TD vs. FG).    

 

Otherwise the final score is 13-10.  Yes Josh was the difference plain and simple.

 

So we still win? That is kinda my point. It might be the first time all season we have been able to say we won without needing Josh to be superman all game. This team has been over reliant on Josh all year. He is great but he has to be great. Last night they were less Josh centric. Not because he was bad but because they had receivers open, they managed to run the ball and they shut down New England. Probably the first game all season you can say all those 3 applied at the same time. 

 

I also agree with you that Josh covers up sins on the offensive line. I said that earlier. They rely on Dion locking down the blindside and then let Josh avoid any other rusher that comes. That was obviously worse without Dion last night. But in fairnesd to the Oline they run blocked really well. 

Edited December 2, 2022 by GunnerBill

[Royale with Cheese]

14 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Goff and brissett are absolute statues on teams that heavily rely on running the football which is the perfect matchup for those slow thumpers NE has at linebacker.  NE has been getting roughed up by dual threat qbs all year 

And yes, what did we do?  We controlled the clock for the majority of the game.  We executed on 3rd down.  We were perfect in the redzone.  We ran the ball effectively.

We played very well on offense.

[Billsfan1972]

2 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Goff and brissett are absolute statues on teams that heavily rely on running the football which is the perfect matchup for those slow thumpers NE has at linebacker.  NE has been getting roughed up by dual threat qbs all year 

Forget it.  Doesn't  fit his narrative.  The Bills beat the equivalent of the '86 Bears last night.

[Breakout Squad]

10 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Really? He wasn’t last year and this year he has more O talent around him. Sorry but very bad is Wilson, and Young.. he is ok and shown flashes of being very good.

Mac was really inaccurate last night. I’m not a hater but he just didn’t look good. The only thing I liked about his play was his escapability in the pocket. He’s definitely smart and can move. 

10 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Sigh called terrible O coaching! The other teams were literally calling out the O plays, the media actually got hold of that before the Vikings game and BB admitted it’s been going on for SEVERAL weeks. Hard to execute the play when they know what’s coming. Last week they changed it up was more the OLD patriots O and look at that they moved the ball and scored a lot and probably have more if not for drops and Aghalor slowing down on a perfectly thrown deep ball.  Last night the O calling was pathetic again! They had 1 drive where they called it like last week then they went brain dead.. 

 

Amazing how a Bills fan can’t tell that O coaches can make or break a QB. Hell look at Gino Smith now, he looks amazing in Seattle.. but looked like hot garbage in NY Jets. Why? COACHING.
 

 

Geno was a late bloomer. I think if Manuel had good coaching he could’ve been a fringe starter. Coaching is a lot of it but Geno was also immature and just not very good as a young QB. 

[Breakout Squad]

10 hours ago, Dillenger4 said:

And BINGO! The OP get's wrecked!

The Bills played an all out, perfect team game. Were there drops? Yes, just like in EVERY NFL game. Is it an issue? Hell no. We got the W.

Our D played amazing!

Our banged up O line controlled the game.

Josh was MVP again.

We did what we wanted to a division foe. 

OP - get wrecked baby boy.

Game was never in doubt. And agree there are drops in every game. 

9 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

5 Dropped passes at least is normal every week?  GTFOH

Wow the Bills had 355 Yards offense....   Wow what a dominating performance.....😂

 

We punted vs. NE, something they didn't do the previous 8 quarters vs. them😉.

 

It was a nice win, but still work to do.

 

Just win they did and I brought up two things I saw. 

Let it go! Let it go! 🤷

[Billsfan1972]

3 minutes ago, Breakout Squad said:

Game was never in doubt. And agree there are drops in every game. 

Yes usually average of 2.2.5.  Yesterday I counted 5 by the Bills.  But I guess that doesn't matter?

[Scott7975]

14 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Way too many threads so two quick observations.

 

So lets make another one for two quick observations.

[Breakout Squad]

1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Yes usually average of 2.2.5.  Yesterday I counted 5 by the Bills.  But I guess that doesn't matter?

No it’s not a huge deal. Relax 

[ColoradoBills]

2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Both the Hines and Davis TD was on 3rd down.  Those two plays led to 11 points (TD, otherwise a punt and TD vs. FG).    

 

Otherwise the final score is 13-10.  Yes Josh was the difference plain and simple.

 

How about an "otherwise" on one wiff by Hamlin and the Pats wouldn't have had their only TD?

See how that works.

 

On a separate note, are you ever happy?

[Billsfan1972]

14 hours ago, Breakout Squad said:

Game was never in doubt. And agree there are drops in every game. 

Let it go! Let it go! 🤷

Just refuting garbage responses.  So 5 drops a game is normal according to you?  The Bills amassing 355 yards is a good yardstick for this offense?  24 points is a great offensive performance?

 

My expectations are higher.

 

Happy with win, however was just okay.

14 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

How about an "otherwise" on one wiff by Hamlin and the Pats wouldn't have had their only TD?

See how that works.

 

On a separate note, are you ever happy?

Context...... The comment above was highlighting the importance of Josh that got them to 24 and not 13 points.  Two incredible plays that only Allen and Mahomes make.

Edited December 3, 2022 by Billsfan1972

[Big Turk]

3 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

They are 6-6, not a juggernaut.  Jones' stats are fraudulent if you ask NE fans who watch every game.

 

Their dvoa is highly skewed on three games versus Indianapolis, New York and shutting out the Detroit Lions & throw in the Pittsburgh game. Otherwise they've been ordinary.

 

9-15 on third down was pretty much all Allen.

 

Cherry Picked stats? I pointed out the line did not play well and that is the fact.  Allen was hit six times, sacked twice and a forced fumble. He makes the line look better than it is.

 

Keep trying

 

Most good QBs do. 

[Breakout Squad]

4 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Just refuting garbage responses.  So 5 drops a game is normal according to you?  The Bills amassing 355 yards is a good yardstick for this offense?  24 points is a great offensive performance?

 

My expectations are higher.

 

Happybwith win, however was just okay.

Context...... The co.ment above was highlighting the importance of Josh.

5 drops a game consistently is not acceptable especially for this team, however, I’m willing to accept a few drops from our star WR because he always makes up for it. I’ll extend an olive branch… that Singletary drop right off the bat miffed me. That’s just too easy. 

[Scott7975]

11 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Really? He wasn’t last year and this year he has more O talent around him. Sorry but very bad is Wilson, and Young.. he is ok and shown flashes of being very good.

 

Thoughts like that, as I told you last season, is what leads to QB purgatory.  I mean you have seen the Bills QBs before Josh right?  Mac aint really any better than Tyrod Taylor, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Trent Edwards, etc etc.  Good enough in a system designed to make things easy for him.  Good enough to win some games.  Not good enough to be much of anything but WC fodder.

 

I mean he might even be good enough to win it all if they built an outstanding team around him ala Jimmy G (who actually didnt win it all but got there) but by the time they do that, they would have to pay him serious money and the team wouldn't be able to be built.  You want to pay that guy 40 mil a year?

 

Trust me... Bills fans have seen this same QB playing for the Bills for over 2 decades.  Mac aint it.  Your team is never lucking into a Tom Brady again.  Your teams best bet is to just trash it all, suck for a couple season.  Take a shot at the top guy of the draft and rebuild.  I doubt Beli boy is staying around for that so I expect your team to be Bills like mediocre for quite some time.

Edited December 3, 2022 by Scott7975