So how good has Allen been?

[PonyBoy]

14 hours ago, StHustle said:

How many did Mahomes have in his first 5 years as a starter 🤔 I’m a huge Josh fan but don’t like stats that are misleading. Josh will end up with the record but if it was changed to first 5 seasons as a full time starter, without looking, I’m sure it’s Mahomes by a landslide 

 

188 YTD for Mahomes when he became starter for full season 2018. He only played 1 game in 2017. 7/10, zero TD's.

[78thealltimegreat]

10 hours ago, StHustle said:

Wrong. Mahomes has 179 TDs with 7 games left in his 5th season as a starter. Everyone on that list except Mahomes became starters their rookie season. It’s a BS comparison…let’s be real.

Right… in his first 5 years in the league Allen has the second most combined touchdowns deal 

[Thurman#1]

17 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

After todays 3 combined touchdowns Josh now 163. Only one player in NFL history has more combined touchdowns after his first 5 seasons that man is Dan Marino who currently has 7 more.

Josh has 6 more games to pass him. I kinda like his chances. 

 

 

Josh is terrific.

 

But it is much much easier to throw for TDs than it has been for most all of NFL history.

 

Again, though, Josh has been terrific.

 

And Mahomes is actually still in his fifth year, since he spent all but one game of his first season on the bench. And he has 179 so far, just passing.  Herbert looks like he'll make it in five as well.

 

But again, Allen is terrific.

Edited November 25, 2022 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

10 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Btw since you asked

Dan Marino 171

Josh Allen 161

Cam Newton 160

Patrick Mahomes 159

 

 

It was one hell of a lot more impressive when Marino did it. 

 

Everyone else is from recent eras and there's a reason for that.

 

In the old days it used to be almost impossible to be really good before you'd played three seasons or so. These days a lot of guys start with college offenses that they are used to and can start much earlier. Not to mention the gradual stiffening of the rules concerning legal contact with receivers.

 

In Marino's first year he had 20 TDs. The league leader had 32. In his second year, Marino had an insane 48, highest in the league. The second-highest guy had 32.

[ToGoGo]

12 hours ago, StHustle said:

100% the coaches decision. Mahomes didn’t magically become who he is sitting behind Alex Smith, getting no game experience nor first team reps. If he was thrown in game 1 he’d have that record. That’s why it’s hard for me to feel good appreciating it. You and everyone else can feel however you want about the specific record but to me, actual games started is what this type of record should be measured by.

 

You're sort of right, but do you really believe sitting out a year and going through NFL training and conditioning without the pressure of playing games didn't help Mahomes? Mahomes got the luxury of an NFL apprenticeship. He got to shadow a pretty good NFL QB running an Andy Reid offense for a year. His mind was way more ready for action when he began to start, than say, Josh Allen. 

[78thealltimegreat]

10 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

It was one hell of a lot more impressive when Marino did it. 

 

Everyone else is from recent eras and there's a reason for that.

 

In the old days it used to be almost impossible to be really good before you'd played three seasons or so. These days a lot of guys start with college offenses that they are used to and can start much earlier. Not to mention the gradual stiffening of the rules concerning legal contact with receivers.

 

In Marino's first year he had 20 TDs. The league leader had 32. In his second year, Marino had an insane 48, highest in the league. The second-highest guy had 32.

Oh I agree Dan with todays modern contact rules would have set records no one one would break 

[dma0034]

To be fair... if Josh sat his entire first year he would be much further along himself. While Mahomes dominated his first year as the starter no one knows how he would have been playing in his rookie year (played one game with no TDs... but that's a small sample size). Allen wasn't ready and the Bills gave him nothing on Offense. One year later he gets slightly above average WRs in Beasley and Brown and starts performing. Mahomes starts and gets Kelce and Hill right out of the gate (not to mention Hunt before he was cut)