JA: Yips, new OC, or poor OL?

[Professor Worthington]

I will waffle here and say it’s a combination of all 3, just not sure what is contributing the most.  I don’t think the elbow has anything to do with it.  He’s not barreling down the field trucking defenders with a sore anything.

 

Still no other QB I would rather have.  Clearly from a fan’s perspective my frustration comes from the dominating promise of the first 7 games to the current scratching and clawing for a W vs inferior teams.

 

What do you all think is the most important thing to get right?

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 minute ago, Professor Worthington said:

I will waffle here and say it’s a combination of all 3, just not sure what is contributing the most.  I don’t think the elbow has anything to do with it.  He’s not barreling down the field trucking defenders with a sore anything.

 

Still no other QB I would rather have.  Clearly from a fan’s perspective my frustration comes from the dominating promise of the first 7 games to the current scratching and clawing for a W vs inferior teams.

 

What do you all think is the most important thing to get right?

sort of the yips. He is trying to not throw interceptions, so not trusting himself. The best throw Of the game was his last one, when he just saw it and slung it. He needs to trust himself again. 

[Big Turk]

I think his elbow is bothering him more than he is letting on...basically like he is trying to conserve it to only use his arm when he needs to and is trying to finesse the other throws.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

It’s not the OC. I think it’s a little mental. Made some bad decisions and now he’s playing a little safe. 
 

I don’t think his WRs after Diggs are doing much for him. McKenzie a good game but all he can do is run crossers. 

[ILBillsfan]

Some of the thorws to the outside that he muscling are a clear indication of the issue with the UCL that is why it was there on the DAvis thrid down conversion where it was low and then three plays later to Diggs that went incomplete... I know people afre trying to place blame and say ahhh haaa it is this but there is another team out there trying to stop them that was on a three game winning streak and just about beat Miami.   

 

How about we settle down and enjoy the ride and be glad this team is 8-3 I know i am i hav never coached or played at this level so i'm not going to arm chair diagnos but boy the message board has a lot of ex NFL players coaches and GM's that certainly know the answers right.. But when I hear from players like Ostroski, Thomas, Fina and others they understand and certainly do not have some of these takes.  Some could learn a lot from observing and listening to some of these people.

[John from Riverside]

11 minutes ago, Professor Worthington said:

I will waffle here and say it’s a combination of all 3, just not sure what is contributing the most.  I don’t think the elbow has anything to do with it.  He’s not barreling down the field trucking defenders with a sore anything.

 

Still no other QB I would rather have.  Clearly from a fan’s perspective my frustration comes from the dominating promise of the first 7 games to the current scratching and clawing for a W vs inferior teams.

 

What do you all think is the most important thing to get right?

I don’t suppose you wanna throw it is obvious elbow injury do you?

[julian]

12 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I don’t suppose you wanna throw it is obvious elbow injury do you?

He’s wearing a brace on his throwing arm and people are asking what could possibly be the issue lol

[LABILLBACKER]

1. Poor OL

2. Mediocre OC

3. Bigger injury than being told

4. Yips/ trying to be whole offense

5. Gabe & Dawson have disappeared. 

 

These facts are both obvious and glaring....

Edited November 25, 2022 by LABILLBACKER

[Since1981]

29 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

I think his elbow is bothering him more than he is letting on...basically like he is trying to conserve it to only use his arm when he needs to and is trying to finesse the other throws.

110%
He’s running a conserve mode but he has the arm available for a few 10 throws. 

[gonzo1105]

Dawson Knox has to block because the offensive line is garbage. Allen saves them so many sacks. They are awful. Dawkins is above average and so is Morse every other lineman is subpar and the backups are horrendous 

[Professor Worthington]

9 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

1. Poor OL

2. Mediocre OC

3. Bigger injury than being told

4. Yips/ trying to be whole offense

5. Gabe & Dawson have disappeared. 

Good answer.  I just can’t wrap my head around the elbow being the thing.  How do you throw a 70 yd pass at end of Jets game and the pass to Diggs today and say “it’s the elbow.”  Any orthopedic surgeons or sports medicine specialists, please weigh in!

[Big Turk]

26 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I don’t suppose you wanna throw it is obvious elbow injury do you?

Reminds me of when he had that left shoulder sprain and he looked off for like 3 or 4 games until that came off and then he went back to lighting teams up.

[BuffBillsForLife]

80% yips, 10% Dorsey, 10% OL.  The ints have gotten in his head bad.

[78thealltimegreat]

Man this thread haters gonna hate. 

[Big Turk]

Just now, Professor Worthington said:

Good answer.  I just can’t wrap my head around the elbow being the thing.  How do you throw a 70 yd pass at end of Jets game and the pass to Diggs today and say “it’s the elbow.”  Any orthopedic surgeons or sports medicine specialists, please weigh in!

 

It's like he knows he can do it but it likely doesn't feel great when he does so he is only using it when absolutely necessary. He is making a lot of finesse type throws we normally don't see him make...at least not to that degree.

[Bangarang]

All of the above. 
 

I think it starts with Dorsey and his inability to get this offense into a rhythm early. Our scripted plays don’t do that and there aren’t  enough easy completions early on. 
 

Our OL is not good and it starts inside. Saffold and Bates are terrible. Brown also gets beat too often.

 

Allen and Diggs are what makes the offense go week after week. 

Edited November 25, 2022 by Bangarang

[BillsBlue]

12 minutes ago, Professor Worthington said:

Good answer.  I just can’t wrap my head around the elbow being the thing.  How do you throw a 70 yd pass at end of Jets game and the pass to Diggs today and say “it’s the elbow.”  Any orthopedic surgeons or sports medicine specialists, please weigh in!

Because he's still physically able to make those things happen but st the cost of major pain in the moment and the risk of ruining his throwing arm, as terrible as it is to say out loud, Josh shouldn't be playing he should have sat for 2 weeks to rest his arm,  but doing that kills our season.....if we hadn't had so many injuries maybe we could have afforded him to sit a couple games but not with the shell of a team we have out there rn

[Tulsabillsfanz]

9 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Man this thread haters gonna hate. 

Exactly.  Did we miss something?  Wasn’t that Josh Allen leading us 90 yards down the field for the go ahead TD with 2:40 left.  Wasn’t that Josh Allen throwing an incredible 36 yard pass to Diggs to lead us to the game winning FG in less than 20 seconds?    Yes, JA has struggled at times, but he’s still a great QB & he had no yips when the game was on the line today.  

[colin]

His elbow isn't good until the 4th quarter.

 

I think that's his issue now.

[Big Blitz]

Hurt

 

Poor OL

 

Defenses don’t care about our RBs in pass D.  They don’t care about our RBs at all.  

 

OC is inexperienced and still figuring things out

 

We might be holding back trying to win “vanilla” then go from there

 

Why is Nyiem Hines here?   
 

We have no slot WR that position took 100 plus targets from Josh a season.  
 

 

Despite these Josh is on pace for 5000 yards passing and most importantly he continues to win games.  

Edited November 25, 2022 by Big Blitz