Interesting tidbits and random thoughts you may find interesting

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

Morse is huge. For sure.

The interesting thing is, we really didn’t miss Morse that much today because our guard filled in pretty well there but what really hurt us was just the multitude and amount of injuries losing both Morse and Dockins and spencer Brown playing right crap is huge

[Einstein]

2 hours ago, Buddo said:

Although close, the extra point was definitely good. I saw enough good angles of it to be certain.

 

Tbh, it wasn't until I saw the replays, that I was certain, so I wasn't surprised that people might have thought otherwise, but it was definitely good.

 

 

Thank you

[Einstein]

Forgot to mention Oliver, who was fantastic today and has been fantastic for weeks.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Forgot to mention Oliver, who was fantastic today and has been fantastic for weeks.

 

 

 

He took a little while post injury to be back to his best. We wouldn't have won without him today. He was exceptional.

[Since1981]

3 hours ago, Einstein said:

Something FEELS off with him. I don’t see the same tenacity and fire.

He’s not jumping up, excited, etc. somewhere between bye and/or elbow. His playful, exuberance is less. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

3 hours ago, Einstein said:

This is not listed in matter of importance - Just the order I thought of them.

 

1) Despite the cluster mess of the past month, your Buffalo Bills are still an excellent 8-3 and control their own destiny to winning their third straight division championship and need just one loss by the Chiefs to make a run at the #1 seed. The big picture is smiles.

 

2) Allen’s final throw was GOLD. A rope. A diamond missile from heaven. He stuck that right into Diggs’ chest. Incredible.

 

3) Diggs said to Allen on the sidelines after the touchdown; “Hey! I told you! I got you bro!” I think he wants Allen to trust him more even in tight coverage.

 

4) Allen is the first QB in NFL history to win

Thanksgiving in all 3 time slots (early game, afternoon game, and night game).

 

5) Spencer Brown is an absolute liability on an offensive line with several liabilities. When we signed Saffold, I visited the Titans forum and witnessed their fans celebrating that a rival had signed the “dud”. We now see why.

 

6) Anyone else think Bass may have missed that first or second extra point that was called good? I never saw another angle and the announcers didn’t mention it, but it didn’t look right. Just curious if I had too much Thanksgiving wine or that really happened haha.

 

7) The Lions play caller was excellent today, and presumably all year looking at their statistical numbers and the very little high-end talent they have. Several points during the game I found myself quite jealous of their play calling, motion, and creativity. Watching Daboll against the Giants is making me yearn for him as well. Outside of Barkley, the Giants have very few playmakers. Daboll is getting the most out of them.

 

😎 Gabe Davis has shown zero ability to make contested catches. Receivers around the league make receptions with guys draped all over them and defenders hands poking at the ball. We had a receiver (Jefferson) catch a ball while having approximately 3 fingers on the ball and Cam Lewis having 2 full hands on the ball. Enough of the excuses for Gabe Davis (ie: “the pass was defended, not dropped”). If he cant make contested catches, then enough with throwing him the ball in those situations.

 

9) One concern I have with the defense is lack of situation awareness. One example: Why, on 4th down and goal, would you not instruct the CB’s to chuck the Lions wide receivers? Why allow a free release? Why not disrupt the timing of the routes and motion receiver? To quote the NFL rule book; “Within the area five yards beyond the line of scrimmage, a defensive player may chuck an eligible receiver in front of him. The defender is allowed to maintain continuous and unbroken contact within the five-yard zone, so long as the receiver has not moved beyond a point that is even with the defender.” So as soon as the ball is snapped, chuck the wide receivers and maintain contact. Mess up the timing. Give the pass rush an extra second to get to the QB. Ruin the motion WR. Instead, we allow a free release for EVERY wide receiver. They instantly run pass our defensive backs for a TD.

 

10) Why would McD call the timeout with 7 seconds left in the game? Or was it someone on the field (a player) that made the mistake? Regardless, you want to call the timeout with 3 seconds left so the field goal is the final play. One may argue you want to leave time for a botched snap - except you didn’t have any more timeouts so that doesn’t matter. You should not have to kickoff and field a last second desperation play or return by the Lions.

 

11) Maybe it’s in my head, but just LOOKING at Josh, I see a different player than earlier in the season. His expressions and composure screams that something is wrong. Remember when he used to run and then get up yelling and signaling first down? That’s seems gone.  Something FEELS off with him. I don’t see the same tenacity and fire. Maybe i’m overthinking it, because that piss missile he flung through the stratosphere to Diggs was prime Josh Allen.

 

12) One team building thought: Florio mentioned over the off-season that if the Bills had been the team to make the trade for Von Miller in 2021 (rather than the Rams), he believes the Bills would have made the 1 or 2 extra stops needed to beat the Chiefs, and the Bills would have won the Super Bowl. I agree, and I would trade a second and third pick right now for a Super Bowl win last year. I would trade James Cook (2nd round pick) and Terrell Bernard (3rd round pick) for a Super Bowl win last year. Injuries are such a huge factor in winning it all and I think you need to pull the trigger and go all-in on the years where you are having good injury luck. Last year was one of those years - we were relatively lucky. I hope Beane learns from this going forward and makes a key trade during a year where we have the injury luck and can make a push. “F them picks” to quote the Rams - Yeah, they suck this year, but i’d trade a year of suck for a Super Bowl win. Maybe that’s just me. 

 

Happy Thanksgiving everyone! Go Bills! God bless you and your family. 

 

 

On #6 and 10

 

#6      The kick was close, but I felt watching the replay it was good.

 

#10    Pretty sure a player called the TO as initially the clock was stopped at 5 seconds, then reset back to 7 seconds.  How could that happen?  Here's my take, before they ran the last play, McD told the sideline official stay by me so you'll hear when I call TO and he did and McD called it with 5 seconds left.  But then another official came over and told the head ref, #XX called a TO before and I looked up and there were still 7 seconds left. So they reset it.

[BobbyC81]

4 hours ago, NewEra said:

Josh IS a different player than he was to start the year.  There is no doubt.  We better get the old Josh back at some point.
 

Injuries suck.  Sigh.

 

Morse is so important.  
 

Josh is still suffering from his elbow injury.  Romo was even talking about it.  It likely hurts more on some throws.  That can surely affect accuracy and someone’s mood/spirit.

[Beck Water]

5 hours ago, Simon said:

 

First time I've watched the Lions this year.

Was really impressed with their OC; been a while since I've seen anybody manipulate a Bills defense like that.

 

Maybe Dorsey will watch the defensive game film and Take a Memo

[GunnerBill]

12 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Maybe Dorsey will watch the defensive game film and Take a Memo

 

I think as a whole Dorsey did a better job tonight than in recent weeks but he just isn't super creative. I know people used to get frustrated with Daboll's gimmick plays and trick plays but some of them worked really well and they made us unpredictable to defend. We are just a tad predictable at the moment.

[wjag]

23 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think as a whole Dorsey did a better job tonight than in recent weeks but he just isn't super creative. I know people used to get frustrated with Daboll's gimmick plays and trick plays but some of them worked really well and they made us unpredictable to defend. We are just a tad predictable at the moment.

I was commenting on this to my son during the game.  The offense is working, but it just seems so vanilla. 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

6 hours ago, streetkings01 said:

I started a thread saying expectations need to change for this team. Our key to victory until we get out of our funk and get healthy is a bend but don’t break defense and an offense that can give us a TD and a FG per half……2019 recipe.

 

 Why? The offense has scored a combined 89 points in the last 3 games. That's a 29.7 average and is higher than our 28.1 season average. They also have 1,244 yards of offense during that span. That's an average of 414.7 yards per game, almost identical to our season average of 415.9 yards per game.

 

 There's been some uncharacteristic turnovers in the redzone during that span and we've punted more than we usually do, but as far as points and yards are concerned we've been hitting our yearly averages during that span. Now you don't want to see so many turnovers, they could be playing better and in the process putting up more points, but on this board, the repeated declarations of the Bills demise on offense has been greatly exaggerated.

 

 

 

Edited November 25, 2022 by LOVEMESOMEBILLS

[Big Turk]

3 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

On #6 and 10

 

#6      The kick was close, but I felt watching the replay it was good.

 

#10    Pretty sure a player called the TO as initially the clock was stopped at 5 seconds, then reset back to 7 seconds.  How could that happen?  Here's my take, before they ran the last play, McD told the sideline official stay by me so you'll hear when I call TO and he did and McD called it with 5 seconds left.  But then another official came over and told the head ref, #XX called a TO before and I looked up and there were still 7 seconds left. So they reset it.

 

Yeah those refs have the best possible angle looking straight up from underneath the goalposts.

30 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 Why? The offense has scored a combined 89 points in the last 3 games. That's a 29.7 average and is higher than our 28.1 season average. They also have 1,244 yards of offense during that span. That's an average of 414.7 yards per game, almost identical to our season average of 415.9 yards per game.

 

 There's been some uncharacteristic turnovers in the redzone during that span and we've punted more than we usually do, but as far as points and yards are concerned we've been hitting our yearly averages during that span. Now you don't want to see so many turnovers, they could be playing better and in the process putting up more points, but on this board, the repeated declarations of the Bills demise on offense has been greatly exaggerated.

 

 

 

 

It's so weird...people acting like we are scoring 17 points a game or something.

 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

8 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 Why? The offense has scored a combined 89 points in the last 3 games. That's a 29.7 average and is higher than our 28.1 season average. They also have 1,244 yards of offense during that span. That's an average of 414.7 yards per game, almost identical to our season average of 415.9 yards per game.

 

 There's been some uncharacteristic turnovers in the redzone during that span and we've punted more than we usually do, but as far as points and yards are concerned we've been hitting our yearly averages during that span. Now you don't want to see so many turnovers, they could be playing better and in the process putting up more points, but on this board, the repeated declarations of the Bills demise on offense has been greatly exaggerated.

 

 

 

 

Take away the Ints. in the redzone, we'd likely have beaten Minn and Jets.  Can't recall were there also redzone Int's. against Miami, think there was??

[CoudyBills]

14 hours ago, DCofNC said:

That throw is what makes Josh special.  I think the announcer said there are “5 guys ever that could make that throw get there before it was broken up” , I don’t know if that’s true, but I don’t think I could name more than that so maybe it is. 
 

I don’t put a lot of stock in yards gained, show me points and execution when it matters, the last 4 games, that’s been the struggle.  Hopefully they get that figured out.

Completely agree with that last paragraph.  If only Gabe was reliable, the redzone interception never happens and the Bills are waltzing to victory.

[Lost]

14 hours ago, Simon said:

 

First time I've watched the Lions this year.

Was really impressed with their OC; been a while since I've seen anybody manipulate a Bills defense like that.

 

It's funny watching a lot of games around the league this year, I'm frequently impressed the scheming and creativity in play calling a lot of teams are showing.  Aside from week 1 and 2 this year I haven't ever felt that way about the Bills.  On either side of the ball.  

[Einstein]

10 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 Why? The offense has scored a combined 89 points in the last 3 games. That's a 29.7 average and is higher than our 28.1 season average. They also have 1,244 yards of offense during that span. That's an average of 414.7 yards per game, almost identical to our season average of 415.9 yards per game.

 

 There's been some uncharacteristic turnovers in the redzone during that span and we've punted more than we usually do, but as far as points and yards are concerned we've been hitting our yearly averages during that span. Now you don't want to see so many turnovers, they could be playing better and in the process putting up more points, but on this board, the repeated declarations of the Bills demise on offense has been greatly exaggerated.

 

 

 

 

It’s mostly the redzone where they struggle recently.

[BigAl2526]

Buffalo is the first team to win back to back home and away games in the same stadium

[Turbo44]

22 hours ago, Einstein said:

This is not listed in matter of importance - Just the order I thought of them.

 

1) Despite the cluster mess of the past month, your Buffalo Bills are still an excellent 8-3 and control their own destiny to winning their third straight division championship and need just one loss by the Chiefs to make a run at the #1 seed. The big picture is smiles.

 

2) Allen’s final throw was GOLD. A rope. A diamond missile from heaven. He stuck that right into Diggs’ chest. Incredible.

 

3) Diggs said to Allen on the sidelines after the touchdown; “Hey! I told you! I got you bro!” I think he wants Allen to trust him more even in tight coverage.

 

4) Allen is the first QB in NFL history to win

Thanksgiving in all 3 time slots (early game, afternoon game, and night game).

 

5) Spencer Brown is an absolute liability on an offensive line with several liabilities. When we signed Saffold, I visited the Titans forum and witnessed their fans celebrating that a rival had signed the “dud”. We now see why.

 

6) Anyone else think Bass may have missed that first or second extra point that was called good? I never saw another angle and the announcers didn’t mention it, but it didn’t look right. Just curious if I had too much Thanksgiving wine or that really happened haha.

 

7) The Lions play caller was excellent today, and presumably all year looking at their statistical numbers and the very little high-end talent they have. Several points during the game I found myself quite jealous of their play calling, motion, and creativity. Watching Daboll against the Giants is making me yearn for him as well. Outside of Barkley, the Giants have very few playmakers. Daboll is getting the most out of them.

 

😎 Gabe Davis has shown zero ability to make contested catches. Receivers around the league make receptions with guys draped all over them and defenders hands poking at the ball. We had a receiver (Jefferson) catch a ball while having approximately 3 fingers on the ball and Cam Lewis having 2 full hands on the ball. Enough of the excuses for Gabe Davis (ie: “the pass was defended, not dropped”). If he cant make contested catches, then enough with throwing him the ball in those situations.

 

9) One concern I have with the defense is lack of situation awareness. One example: Why, on 4th down and goal, would you not instruct the CB’s to chuck the Lions wide receivers? Why allow a free release? Why not disrupt the timing of the routes and motion receiver? To quote the NFL rule book; “Within the area five yards beyond the line of scrimmage, a defensive player may chuck an eligible receiver in front of him. The defender is allowed to maintain continuous and unbroken contact within the five-yard zone, so long as the receiver has not moved beyond a point that is even with the defender.” So as soon as the ball is snapped, chuck the wide receivers and maintain contact. Mess up the timing. Give the pass rush an extra second to get to the QB. Ruin the motion WR. Instead, we allow a free release for EVERY wide receiver. They instantly run pass our defensive backs for a TD.

 

10) Why would McD call the timeout with 7 seconds left in the game? Or was it someone on the field (a player) that made the mistake? Regardless, you want to call the timeout with 3 seconds left so the field goal is the final play. One may argue you want to leave time for a botched snap - except you didn’t have any more timeouts so that doesn’t matter. You should not have to kickoff and field a last second desperation play or return by the Lions.

 

11) Maybe it’s in my head, but just LOOKING at Josh, I see a different player than earlier in the season. His expressions and composure screams that something is wrong. Remember when he used to run and then get up yelling and signaling first down? That’s seems gone.  Something FEELS off with him. I don’t see the same tenacity and fire. Maybe i’m overthinking it, because that piss missile he flung through the stratosphere to Diggs was prime Josh Allen.

 

12) One team building thought: Florio mentioned over the off-season that if the Bills had been the team to make the trade for Von Miller in 2021 (rather than the Rams), he believes the Bills would have made the 1 or 2 extra stops needed to beat the Chiefs, and the Bills would have won the Super Bowl. I agree, and I would trade a second and third pick right now for a Super Bowl win last year. I would trade James Cook (2nd round pick) and Terrell Bernard (3rd round pick) for a Super Bowl win last year. Injuries are such a huge factor in winning it all and I think you need to pull the trigger and go all-in on the years where you are having good injury luck. Last year was one of those years - we were relatively lucky. I hope Beane learns from this going forward and makes a key trade during a year where we have the injury luck and can make a push. “F them picks” to quote the Rams - Yeah, they suck this year, but i’d trade a year of suck for a Super Bowl win. Maybe that’s just me. 

 

Happy Thanksgiving everyone! Go Bills! God bless you and your family. 

 

I have no issues with the TO with 7 seconds.  Bad snap and you can throw it away and try again.  Of course this takes into account Martin knows what to do if a bad snap happens.

22 hours ago, Einstein said:

This is not listed in matter of importance - Just the order I thought of them.

 

1) Despite the cluster mess of the past month, your Buffalo Bills are still an excellent 8-3 and control their own destiny to winning their third straight division championship and need just one loss by the Chiefs to make a run at the #1 seed. The big picture is smiles.

 

2) Allen’s final throw was GOLD. A rope. A diamond missile from heaven. He stuck that right into Diggs’ chest. Incredible.

 

3) Diggs said to Allen on the sidelines after the touchdown; “Hey! I told you! I got you bro!” I think he wants Allen to trust him more even in tight coverage.

 

4) Allen is the first QB in NFL history to win

Thanksgiving in all 3 time slots (early game, afternoon game, and night game).

 

5) Spencer Brown is an absolute liability on an offensive line with several liabilities. When we signed Saffold, I visited the Titans forum and witnessed their fans celebrating that a rival had signed the “dud”. We now see why.

 

6) Anyone else think Bass may have missed that first or second extra point that was called good? I never saw another angle and the announcers didn’t mention it, but it didn’t look right. Just curious if I had too much Thanksgiving wine or that really happened haha.

 

7) The Lions play caller was excellent today, and presumably all year looking at their statistical numbers and the very little high-end talent they have. Several points during the game I found myself quite jealous of their play calling, motion, and creativity. Watching Daboll against the Giants is making me yearn for him as well. Outside of Barkley, the Giants have very few playmakers. Daboll is getting the most out of them.

 

😎 Gabe Davis has shown zero ability to make contested catches. Receivers around the league make receptions with guys draped all over them and defenders hands poking at the ball. We had a receiver (Jefferson) catch a ball while having approximately 3 fingers on the ball and Cam Lewis having 2 full hands on the ball. Enough of the excuses for Gabe Davis (ie: “the pass was defended, not dropped”). If he cant make contested catches, then enough with throwing him the ball in those situations.

 

9) One concern I have with the defense is lack of situation awareness. One example: Why, on 4th down and goal, would you not instruct the CB’s to chuck the Lions wide receivers? Why allow a free release? Why not disrupt the timing of the routes and motion receiver? To quote the NFL rule book; “Within the area five yards beyond the line of scrimmage, a defensive player may chuck an eligible receiver in front of him. The defender is allowed to maintain continuous and unbroken contact within the five-yard zone, so long as the receiver has not moved beyond a point that is even with the defender.” So as soon as the ball is snapped, chuck the wide receivers and maintain contact. Mess up the timing. Give the pass rush an extra second to get to the QB. Ruin the motion WR. Instead, we allow a free release for EVERY wide receiver. They instantly run pass our defensive backs for a TD.

 

10) Why would McD call the timeout with 7 seconds left in the game? Or was it someone on the field (a player) that made the mistake? Regardless, you want to call the timeout with 3 seconds left so the field goal is the final play. One may argue you want to leave time for a botched snap - except you didn’t have any more timeouts so that doesn’t matter. You should not have to kickoff and field a last second desperation play or return by the Lions.

 

11) Maybe it’s in my head, but just LOOKING at Josh, I see a different player than earlier in the season. His expressions and composure screams that something is wrong. Remember when he used to run and then get up yelling and signaling first down? That’s seems gone.  Something FEELS off with him. I don’t see the same tenacity and fire. Maybe i’m overthinking it, because that piss missile he flung through the stratosphere to Diggs was prime Josh Allen.

 

12) One team building thought: Florio mentioned over the off-season that if the Bills had been the team to make the trade for Von Miller in 2021 (rather than the Rams), he believes the Bills would have made the 1 or 2 extra stops needed to beat the Chiefs, and the Bills would have won the Super Bowl. I agree, and I would trade a second and third pick right now for a Super Bowl win last year. I would trade James Cook (2nd round pick) and Terrell Bernard (3rd round pick) for a Super Bowl win last year. Injuries are such a huge factor in winning it all and I think you need to pull the trigger and go all-in on the years where you are having good injury luck. Last year was one of those years - we were relatively lucky. I hope Beane learns from this going forward and makes a key trade during a year where we have the injury luck and can make a push. “F them picks” to quote the Rams - Yeah, they suck this year, but i’d trade a year of suck for a Super Bowl win. Maybe that’s just me. 

 

Happy Thanksgiving everyone! Go Bills! God bless you and your family. 

 

Josh is hurt and probably pretty exhausted.  he's still a warrior and I bet back to normal for NE

21 hours ago, HoofHearted said:

It was almost embarrassing. We had no edge twice in the game. That should not be able to happen. Like ever. I’ll have to go back and watch the film, but live it looked like Elam might have buried himself on one, but the other looked like we got formationed into a horrific defensive alignment.

Embarrassing is ridiculous.  Allowed 22 points on the road which isn't hideous while missing Rousseau, Von, Tre (most of the game) and Edmunds, arguably 4 of our top 5 defenders. Oliver was a beast and Milano was average per his standards

[buffalo2218]

7 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Take away the Ints. in the redzone, we'd likely have beaten Minn and Jets.  Can't recall were there also redzone Int's. against Miami, think there was??

I think Josh fumbled in that game. Seems like that shot he took from that GB defensive back took more of a toll than we realize. Cook had an abysmal game yesterday as well. That almost pick Josh threw was Cook stopping on his route, then Cook dropped another pass later on

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

38 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said:

I think Josh fumbled in that game. Seems like that shot he took from that GB defensive back took more of a toll than we realize. Cook had an abysmal game yesterday as well. That almost pick Josh threw was Cook stopping on his route, then Cook dropped another pass later on

 

Agree that was on Cook