Von Miller knee injury (update - ACL intact, awaiting diagnosis on lateral meniscus)

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Dillenger4 said:

I hope we get Von back for the playoffs as a healthy weapon. Did anyone else notice AJ Klein yesterday? He was on fire. Played a great game for us. I always liked him but man, yesterday he made 3 plays that were drive stopping. Romo commented, or started to before being cutoff, that Klein is underrated. Good to have him back on a D that is banged up. Now if we could only get rid of Hamlin somehow.... He costs the Bills too many plays.

 

He did his best Edmunds impression on that ball that was thrown right to him though.    They finally have reached the season where they miss Edmunds when he is not out there but watching Klein play is a reminder that an instinctive LB can be good enough.

[TheBeaneBandit]

26 minutes ago, SDS said:

given the fact that you are not a moderator, I’m gonna go ahead and say that you have no idea what the rules actually are. I have actually clarified this many many many times and given to the fact that you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about then maybe you should not comment on these things. How about that?

 

If I need to give an obvious explanation to the busybodies who can’t help themselves from playing hall monitor, things that happened in the game that are of importance beyond the game are 100% reasonable topics. Miller’s injury would be one of them.

Word to the mutha👍

[Donuts and Doritos]

 

There's reports saying if he can brace it he can play & get surgery after season, but if he can't & has to have surgery now, then his season is done. (Per Rapsheet quoting to Rapoport).

 

So back to wait & see.

[BillsFan4]

Ugh

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

You're satisfied with having Basham, Lawson & Mike Love as our DE group?

 

I'll be glad when Epenesa is back.

I like Shaw a lot. He is really solid and dependable. Often not flashy but he doesn't make a lot of mistakes. Very good on the run. I've seen years of Epenesa and I'm hoping he's not with the team next year. I don't think he's very good. He misses gaps like crazy and often that's how you know he's on the field. Granted he's made a few plays this year. I'll give you that. The Bills can and should do better than him.

[Comebackkid]

well this sux for Von, the Bills and the fans.   what's the recovery time?

[GETTOTHE50]

8 minutes ago, Comebackkid said:

well this sux for Von, the Bills and the fans.   what's the recovery time?

tough to say. swelling should be gone after 3 or 4 days and at some point he will need surgery like a partial meniscectomy since hes a relatively young and a athlete. if he gets surgery now and starts rehab next week, then we should have him back by the playoffs. but i just learned about this ***** so it really goes on a case-by-case basis and the reality of the fact is we dont know his full health history or the extent of the damage in his knee.

 

if its just the menisci like is being reported, then we are really lucky and there is a really good chance he should be back by the playoffs

[dbmu1977]

I'm glad to hear that Von didn't tear his ACL. I tore both my meniscus in both knees. I  had my left knee repaired in 2003 when a was 43. 

I was in no way a pro athlete, just a over weight teacher who liked to ride his bike. The surgery was no big deal and I rehabbed pretty quick.

 

I bet if he got his knee scoped today he would be ready to play in two weeks. Have you seen this guys legs? Hard to believe to it tore at all.

He should wear knee braces from now on.

 

Get well soon, next three games determine AFC East champs

[FilthyBeast]

1 hour ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

 

There's reports saying if he can brace it he can play & get surgery after season, but if he can't & has to have surgery now, then his season is done. (Per Rapsheet quoting to Rapoport).

 

So back to wait & see.

 

Even if he is able to play again this year the bigger question is how effective is he going to be?

 

Just can't believe that one year to the day after losing White to a season ending injury, lightening seemingly strikes twice with a key player we can't afford to lose for an extended period of time.

Edited November 25, 2022 by FilthyBeast

[Donuts and Doritos]

14 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Even if he is able to play again this year the bigger question is how effective is he going to be?

 

Just can't believe that one year to the day after losing White to a season ending injury, lightening seemingly strikes twice with a key player we can't afford to lose for an extended period of time.

 

Yeah, thought the same thing. I'm definitely done with these Thanksgiving games. Make KC play them. I'd like some breaks to start going the Bills way. Frustrating.

[SCBills]

21 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Even if he is able to play again this year the bigger question is how effective is he going to be?

 

Just can't believe that one year to the day after losing White to a season ending injury, lightening seemingly strikes twice with a key player we can't afford to lose for an extended period of time.

Josina Anderson reported that he’s played with a brace before.  
 

Guys play with meniscus tears and/or minor surgery quite frequently and don’t look worse for the wear.  Just depends on how severe.  

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Maybe you failed to notice that Hughes was amongst the league leaders in QB pressures during that time too, something that is as important as sacks because it forces bad throws, creates turnovers, etc etc.  

 

Just tracking sacks is a poor barometer for evaluating the play of a DE. 

I've never once in my life seen a sack become a completed pass for a td. But I've seen hundreds of qb pressures result in tds. Just saying.....

[Bob in STL]

19 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

What other term would you use for Epenesa? 

I've not called Basham a bust yet. He's been underwhelming at best for q 2nd round pick.

He is a 3rd year player that had zero development his rookie year due to COVID when he, for some strange reason, trained wrong and reported to camp too small to play DE.    He has since rebuilt his body and his strength.  

 

He has 3.5 sacks in 10 games this season and is a rotational DE on a pretty stacked DL.  He has 3.5 sacks, 1 forced fumble, 1 fumble recovered and 4 passes defended - not setting the world on fire but he is contributing.   On a pace for 6 sacks if healthy.   I can give you long list of Bills first round draft busts that never did this  much.  

 

It is too early to call him a bust, but with the benefit of hindsight we could all list better players that could have been picked.  

Edited November 26, 2022 by Bob in STL

[Simon]

42 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I've never once in my life seen a sack become a completed pass for a td. But I've seen hundreds of qb pressures result in tds. Just saying.....

 

And I've never seen a sack become an interception. But I've seen plenty of QB pressures result in an interception.

Pressure creates mistakes and guys who create that pressure regularly are every bit as valuable as guys that pick up sacks occasionally.

[Mark Vader]

2 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

I like Shaw a lot. He is really solid and dependable. Often not flashy but he doesn't make a lot of mistakes. Very good on the run. I've seen years of Epenesa and I'm hoping he's not with the team next year. I don't think he's very good. He misses gaps like crazy and often that's how you know he's on the field. Granted he's made a few plays this year. I'll give you that. The Bills can and should do better than him.

Maybe so.

 

Until that time comes, we should use him.

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I've never once in my life seen a sack become a completed pass for a td. But I've seen hundreds of qb pressures result in tds. Just saying.....

I’ve never seen a sack turn into an interception either.  See you can play that coin on both sides.  
 

You want to fixate on what 5 or 6 more single plays a year, literally that’s what you’re complaining about, because if he had 4.5 sacks but got 6 more it would be 10.5 and you’d be begging to keep him.  Yet there are lots of people who get a few more sacks than Hughes but no where near the amount of pressures he had.  
 

I will take the guy who more frequently impacts the game over some guy who had a few more sacks but did very little else.

Sack numbers are grossly over rated.  Yes there are guys who pile them up and Frequently disrupt the game, but there a lot more who 7-10 sacks and suck outside of those few sacks.

 

Hughes was for us, and still is, a VERY good and disruptive DE that all opposing teams are forced to game plan for.  It’s not really even open for debate.  

 

[Buffalo03]

4 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

He has had no more than 4.5 sacks in his last 3 years with us. He's having a good year this year. Does that mean his previous years with us which he did next to nothing should be ignored?

Lol. I get people that dislike this when they react. Do you all like players that get 4 sacks or less a season? I don't get it

[Buffalo03]

4 hours ago, NewEra said:

No.  

 

It means that hes never played this this group of DTs and opposite Von Miller before……. O

 

it means that his sack totals from years past don’t mean that he wouldn’t have more this year.  He’s always been one of the better pass rushers in the league, regardless of his sack total.  

 

He has played with pretty much everyone besides Von. Rousseau was here last year, Epenesa was here, Oliver was here, you mean to tell me he would be that much different?

Just now, Buffalo03 said:

He has played with pretty much everyone besides Von. Rousseau was here last year, Epenesa was here, Oliver was here, you mean to tell me he would be that much different?

So, he goes from 3 sacks a year to 6 in this defense opposite Von. Whoopty doo. Give him a $50 million dollar deal. What are we doing?

[Success]

Has anyone ever played a sport and "played through" a torn meniscus?

 

I'm wondering how much it will affect him.  Will he still be the guy we've seen to this point, which is at times dominating?  Is it just pain tolerance, or does it affect strength & quickness?

 

I think he still bring a ton to the table, even if he's not 100%. In a short period of time, he has become the heart & soul of this D. I think I'll be happy if he plays the rest of the season, even if it's not as effective.

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

6 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

He did his best Edmunds impression on that ball that was thrown right to him though.    They finally have reached the season where they miss Edmunds when he is not out there but watching Klein play is a reminder that an instinctive LB can be good enough.

RB knocked it out of his hands. It was a good play by the opponent