McKenzie's Place in the Offense Going Forward

[ChasBB]

Too bad Gilliam couldn't sustain block just a split-second longer so McKenzie could have added (edit) another TD 2-pt conversion Sunday against the Browns.  Gilliam looked well-positioned to take that guy out, but the defender just pushed past it and made a nice tackle on McKenzie at the pylon.

Edited November 22, 2022 by ChasBB
correction

[Joe Ferguson]

1 hour ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

Jesus, completely forgot about the snap that McKittrick fumbles on the goal line against the Viqueens.  I get it, you hate him, but you don't need to make stuff up.

McKenzie led his defender out of position to get that pick from Josh. And he was too brain dead to chase down the defender and tackle him. That Allen fumble didn't have to happen if he didn't do those brain farts.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

His place in the offense is not going forward, it is going sideways. 
 

I think he’s a good WR4/5 / gadget / waterbug / jet sweep guy. 
 

Agree with those who question his football IQ. Not getting out of bounds against Miami, going out of bounds and allowing Peterson to make the game-ending INT against Minnesota, and not making a cut on the 2-PT attempt against Cleveland, just off the top of my head, all displayed a want of football awareness.

 

That said, he’s an athlete and should be able to help our offense if used in moderation and at the right times. (Is it against the rules to have him hold the ball while Allen launches him downfield?)

[Andrew Son]

46 minutes ago, ChasBB said:

Too bad Gilliam couldn't sustain block just a split-second longer so McKenzie could have added another TD Sunday against the Browns.  Gilliam looked well-positioned to take that guy out, but the defender just pushed past it and made a nice tackle on McKenzie at the pylon.

That was a 2pt conversion

[ChasBB]

26 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

That was a 2pt conversion

Thanks - I've corrected my post.

[mjt328]

It's long past time for Isaiah McKenzie to take a seat, and let Khalil Shakir get some snaps.

 

To be a good starting slot receiver in 2022, a player needs to:

- Be shifty in small space, with the ability to get open with quick moves.

- Be very reliable with his hands.

- Have a instinct for getting a few extra YAC on third down.

 

Cole Beasley had all three of these traits.  Shakir has shown flashes of all three.  McKenzie has some quick burst speed, but isn't a great route-runner, struggles to make difficult catches, and tries to avoid contact.  

 

He does have some usable skills with the right offensive coordinator.  A creative play caller who can find 3-4 effective plays for a speedy gadget guy.

That OC doesn't appear to be Ken Dorsey, who is struggling with much simpler stuff.

 

[Rc2catch]

On the bench. Backup, gadget guy to fill in for injuries 

[mjt328]

1 hour ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

His place in the offense is not going forward, it is going sideways. 
 

I think he’s a good WR4/5 / gadget / waterbug / jet sweep guy. 
 

Agree with those who question his football IQ. Not getting out of bounds against Miami, going out of bounds and allowing Peterson to make the game-ending INT against Minnesota, and not making a cut on the 2-PT attempt against Cleveland, just off the top of my head, all displayed a want of football awareness.

 

That said, he’s an athlete and should be able to help our offense if used in moderation and at the right times. (Is it against the rules to have him hold the ball while Allen launches him downfield?)

 

As the season progresses, it becomes more clear which players are holding a team back.

The ones who keep making critical mistakes at crucial times.

 

In all three of the Bills losses, it can be argued that Gabe Davis cost us big with drops... and Isaiah McKenzie cost us big with mental mistakes.

 

[H2o]

I say let Shakir get his run as the starting Slot. He's looked decent when given the opportunity and we already know what we have in McKenzie at this point. We should still use McKenzie, but he's just not a starter in this league. 

[Warriorspikes51]

Why is Shakir suddenly not an option?   He made plays in Baltimore that helped us win the game and was obviously good against the Steelers 

[Beck Water]

4 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

I could see us making him inactive at Detroit

 

Yeah?  And activate who, in his stead?

 

Crowder and Kumerow are on IR.  Hodgins is on the Giants 53 man roster. 

 

The Bills like to activate 5 WR on gameday.  Last week it was Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, Shakir, and Gentry.

 

You wanna inactivate McKenzie, who you want for those 5?  Diggs, Davis, Shakir, Gentry and....Isaiah Coulter?  KeeSean Johnson? 

[Since1981]

McKenzie is just not that good. He’s had many opportunities. On/off PS, on/off ST. Bills 4 yrs?

 

time to see what other touches can do, Hines, Shakir, Cook etc.  This is a great example of giving others touches and see what happens vs. 4 yrs we know. 

[kota]

this is a recurring theme with him.  Himes could replace him and already has on special teams.  I keep seeing him in videos screwing around.  I think he needs to work more.

 

[Warriorspikes51]

3 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Yeah?  And activate who, in his stead?

 

Crowder and Kumerow are on IR.  Hodgins is on the Giants 53 man roster. 

 

The Bills like to activate 5 WR on gameday.  Last week it was Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, Shakir, and Gentry.

 

You wanna inactivate McKenzie, who you want for those 5?  Diggs, Davis, Shakir, Gentry and....Isaiah Coulter?  KeeSean Johnson? 

Hines can be "WR/HB"

[WyoAZBillfan]

10 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

As the season progresses, it becomes more clear which players are holding a team back.

The ones who keep making critical mistakes at crucial times.

 

In all three of the Bills losses, it can be argued that Gabe Davis cost us big with drops... and Isaiah McKenzie cost us big with mental mistakes.

 

One could say Johnson on D cost with lack of coverage and/or tackling. Benford the same, Hamlin got tricked a time or two. LBs lack of tackling ability, Von not sealing the sacks… Allen “dirting “ The ball where it gets picked, or right into the chest. C’mon man, team sport and several can get fingers pointed. 

[Nuncha]

4 hours ago, BuffaloTX said:

Give Shakir the ball!

[dollars 2 donuts]

4 hours ago, Simon said:

 

Probably the least instinctive football player to wear a Bills uniform since that clueless lacrosse player that us and then Belichik squeezed a couple 9 routes out of before everybody realized he had no idea where he was or what else was happening around him on the field. Chris something or other?

 

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Hogan and he was better than he got credit for. 

 

 

 

Including some credit for the victory over the Vikings at home.

 

 

 

 

2014 that is...he was absolutely huge on 2nd and 20, with 27 seconds left in that game with a 29 yard grab down to the 1 that set up the Watkins TD.

 

 

 

 

[Beck Water]

4 hours ago, Simon said:

 

Probably the least instinctive football player to wear a Bills uniform since that clueless lacrosse player that us and then Belichik squeezed a couple 9 routes out of before everybody realized he had no idea where he was or what else was happening around him on the field. Chris something or other?

 

You mean the clueless lacrosse guy who was the #2 WR on the Patriots 2016 Superbowl team, in a season where he caught 65% of the 58 passes thrown his way for 680 yds?  The one who stuck with NWE for 3 years and played in 2 more Superbowls?

 

Man, it's amazing how the Pats won anything, with a WR who had no idea where he was or what else was happening around him on their squad.  Surely, they coulda pulled someone better in off the street.

 

Simon, I Love You Man, You can have ALL my Bud Light, and that seems like kind of a bad take on Chris Hogan. 

 

I dunno about "instinctive", but typically when you got a guy who does not have multiple elite physical traits who manages to stick in the league for 9 years (Hogan) or 6 years (McKenzie), they've got something going on for them.

 

 

Edited November 22, 2022 by Beck Water

[Charles Romes]

I’m shocked that shakir is apparently not getting open. Hardly hear his name, though active every week and in the field regularly. 

[Beck Water]

7 minutes ago, Charles Romes said:

I’m shocked that shakir is apparently not getting open. Hardly hear his name, though active every week and in the field regularly. 

 

He may be getting open and not getting targeted.  Same with Knox and McKenzie.

 

2 hours ago, Joe Ferguson said:

McKenzie led his defender out of position to get that pick from Josh. And he was too brain dead to chase down the defender and tackle him. That Allen fumble didn't have to happen if he didn't do those brain farts.

 

Whaaaat?

 

Edited November 22, 2022 by Beck Water