Sean McDermott is the current longest tenured NFL head coach without a Super Bowl appearance.

[LeGOATski]

2 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

This is completely asinine.

 

The original poster is questioning the validity of Sean McDermott as a head coach as McDermott has been a head coach for five complete years without a Super Bowl championship.

 

Did you bother to look up that it took Andy Reid 20 years as a head coach to win a championship as a head coach? According to your "facts" and implications that if a coach hasn't won it all in a handful of years that he's not good enough, Reid should have never gotten the gig as KC's head coach. Right? That's a fact that he went far over a decade without a championship so KC was foolish to hire him, right?

I don't know if McDermott is the right coach for the bills (I suspect he's pretty darn good) but your argument is far beyond flawed. There are 32 teams in the league; with parity, it will take each and every team to 32 years to win one championship... But you're suggesting if a coach hasn't won it all in a half decade he should be highly suspect as incapable of ever doing so.

Please tell me you're not a math teacher or philosophy professor.

tl;dr - you obviously missed the part where @Chaosis not trying to imply anything, he's just posting facts, OKAY?!

[Nextmanup]

5 hours ago, Chaos said:

He has had a good impact on the franchise. My concern is that he is the Kirk Cousins of coaches.  Better than obvious replacements, but not likely to win a championship. 

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that you are dead on correct.  McDermott cannot win a championship because he's not a championship winning caliber coach.  

And that over the next 5 seasons (beyond 2022) he will NOT win a championship.

 

Rolling into that 2028 season, the people who are supporting him here, now, would be supporting him then.

 

It's just what they do.  By the same token, if we fired McDermott this off-season, and his replacement wins a SB in 2 years, it would become commonly acceptable around here to throw out McDermott jokes, with the butt of the joke being McDermott's incompetence.

 

So really, you can't win.

 

 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

6 hours ago, Chaos said:

Only five NFL HC's  have been with their current NFL teams longer than Sean McDermott. 
 

1. Andy Ried, (loss to McDermott)
2. Bill Bellichek,  (will likely lose to McDermott twice)
3. Pete Carrol,
4. John Harbaugh (loss to McDermott)
5. Mike Tomlin (loss to McDermott)

 

All have Super Bowl wins. And multiple appearances.  

Head coaches with shorter tenures and super bowl appearances include

1. Sean McVay (hired same year as McDermott) (loss to McDermott)
2. Kyle Shanahan (hired same year as McDermott)
3. Zac Taylor

 

 

As an aside here are coaches with wins against Sean McDermott's AFC East Third Place team in 2022

1. Mike McDaniel (rookie)
2. Kevin O'Connell (rookie)
3. Robert Saleh (second year)

my additions added in Bold since if it is important to point out the coaches McDermott has loss to we might as well as point out who he has beaten.

 

And that is only for this year. I think McDermott is 2-0 career against McVay? 1-0 against Shanhan? 1-0 against Carrol? winning records against Tomlin and Harbaugh. Has handed Belicheck his worst loss of his coaching career and beaten him in 4 of the last 5 meetings.

[John from Riverside]

41 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that you are dead on correct.  McDermott cannot win a championship because he's not a championship winning caliber coach.  

And that over the next 5 seasons (beyond 2022) he will NOT win a championship.

 

Rolling into that 2028 season, the people who are supporting him here, now, would be supporting him then.

 

It's just what they do.  By the same token, if we fired McDermott this off-season, and his replacement wins a SB in 2 years, it would become commonly acceptable around here to throw out McDermott jokes, with the butt of the joke being McDermott's incompetence.

 

So really, you can't win.

 

 

You really have not thought this all the way through your thinking that another coach is going to come in here and win a Super Bowl within two years? Do you think it’s that easy to find a Super Bowl winning coach? Meanwhile, McDermott has been good enough to have us right there at the end every year one play away from playing in the big game, pretty much bringing in a new coach could also go the other direction and put us back into purgatory for another 10 years 

[Virgil]

7 hours ago, Chaos said:

Only five NFL HC's  have been with their current NFL teams longer than Sean McDermott. 
 

1. Andy Ried,
2. Bill Bellichek,
3. Pete Carrol,
4. John Harbaugh
5. Mike Tomlin

 

All have Super Bowl wins. And multiple appearances.  

Head coaches with shorter tenures and super bowl appearances include

1. Sean McVay (hired same year as McDermott)
2. Kyle Shanahan (hired same year as McDermott)
3. Zac Taylor

 

 

As an aside here are coaches with wins against Sean McDermott's AFC East Third Place team in 2022

1. Mike McDaniel (rookie)
2. Kevin O'Connell (rookie)
3. Robert Saleh (second year)
    

Bills fans are the most patient.  In almost every other NFL fanbase Mr. McDermott would be "on the hot seat"

So based off math, he’s a top 25% HC.  
 

What’s interesting to me is the three HC ahead of him with less tenure are all offensive minded coaches 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

9 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Patience?  We've been to the playoffs four of the last five years after patiently waiting 17 years.  We'd be nuts to fire McDermott.

I don't like this. I don't like it anytime people compare McDermott to the past 17 years. That's not the standard. We can't just accept "better than it used to be" if it's not good enough to win the Super Bowl.

[Ya Digg?]

2 hours ago, Virgil said:

So based off math, he’s a top 25% HC.  
 

What’s interesting to me is the three HC ahead of him with less tenure are all offensive minded coaches 

His logic is also flawed-how could 2 of those guys have shorter tenures if they were hired at the same time as McDermott??

[McBean]

10 hours ago, Chaos said:

Only five NFL HC's  have been with their current NFL teams longer than Sean McDermott. 
 

1. Andy Ried,
2. Bill Bellichek,
3. Pete Carrol,
4. John Harbaugh
5. Mike Tomlin

 

All have Super Bowl wins. And multiple appearances.  

Head coaches with shorter tenures and super bowl appearances include

1. Sean McVay (hired same year as McDermott)
2. Kyle Shanahan (hired same year as McDermott)
3. Zac Taylor

 

 

As an aside here are coaches with wins against Sean McDermott's AFC East Third Place team in 2022

1. Mike McDaniel (rookie)
2. Kevin O'Connell (rookie)
3. Robert Saleh (second year)
    

Bills fans are the most patient.  In almost every other NFL fanbase Mr. McDermott would be "on the hot seat"

And…..boom.

 

Facts folks.

 

McDermott is a bad HC covered up by a generational talented QB who’s being wasted.

 

Doug Collins 2.0.

Edited November 19, 2022 by McBean

[LeGOATski]

1 minute ago, McBean said:

And…..boom.

 

Facts folks.

 

McDermott is a bad HC covered up by a generational talent QB who’s being wasted.

 

Doug Collins 2.0.

Just change your username to Bean

 

[HOUSE]

This has to be the year, if not I predict some very unhappy people here.

Unless you want to play the injury card....

[Low Positive]

The great Andy Reid’s first SB appearance in KC came in his 7th season as head coach of the Chiefs. And it took the generational talent of Patrick Mahomes to get him there. He couldn’t get past the divisional round with Alex Smith. In Philadelphia, he made one SB but other than that his Eagles teams lost 4 NFC championship games all to different teams.  See, these are facts too.

[todd]

50 minutes ago, McBean said:

And…..boom.

 

Facts folks.

 

McDermott is a bad HC covered up by a generational talented QB who’s being wasted.

 

Doug Collins 2.0.

 

I guess Andy reid sucks, too. Great logic. 

 

Unreal how people will use useless trivia and facts to try to prove a point. Just shows a lack of critical thinking. You qualify.

[TBBills]

Someone tell me how long it took each of those coaches to win the first Superbowl.

 

Andy Reid was a HC from 1994 and he didnt win a Super Bowl until 2019...

Bill Belichick HC from 1991, won first Super Bowl 2001

Pete Caroll HC from 1994, won first Super Bowl 2013

 

 

Edited November 19, 2022 by TBBills

[FLFan]

Laughable. 

[Thurman#1]

11 hours ago, Chaos said:

Only five NFL HC's  have been with their current NFL teams longer than Sean McDermott. 
 

1. Andy Ried,
2. Bill Bellichek,
3. Pete Carrol,
4. John Harbaugh
5. Mike Tomlin

 

All have Super Bowl wins. And multiple appearances.  

Head coaches with shorter tenures and super bowl appearances include

1. Sean McVay (hired same year as McDermott)
2. Kyle Shanahan (hired same year as McDermott)
3. Zac Taylor

 

 

As an aside here are coaches with wins against Sean McDermott's AFC East Third Place team in 2022

1. Mike McDaniel (rookie)
2. Kevin O'Connell (rookie)
3. Robert Saleh (second year)
    

Bills fans are the most patient.  In almost every other NFL fanbase Mr. McDermott would be "on the hot seat"

 

 

Nonsense, "most patient." 

 

What crap!!

 

He's simply among the five or six absolute best coaches in the league, and Bills fans recognize it.

 

He's doing a terrific job, and only a few people, no names of course, don't get that.

 

And that thing about only five head coaches have five years or longer is a statistical fluke. Belichick had five full years with the Browns and a record of 36 - 44. As of last year, Zimmer was in his 8th year without an SB

 

Reid had 14 years in Philly without a Super Bowl win.

 

They had that longevity because they were very good coaches, even without Lombardis. As is McDermott.

 

"Most patient." What crap!

 

 

Edited November 19, 2022 by Thurman#1

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

10 hours ago, Chaos said:

He has had a good impact on the franchise. My concern is that he is the Kirk Cousins of coaches.  Better than obvious replacements, but not likely to win a championship. 

He's the Marty Scottenhiemer of coaches.

 

Marty took the Chargers who were the laughing stock of the league and restored them to respectability but he could never get them over the hump to win a championship.

 

Marty like McD made strange bone headed call after bone headed call in the playoffs

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, McBean said:

And…..boom.

 

Facts folks.

 

McDermott is a bad HC covered up by a generational talented QB who’s being wasted.

 

Doug Collins 2.0.

 

 

And .... boom.

 

Missing the point, folks.

[Johnnyp566]

It’s a huge thing in the nfl to be consistent year over year. I’d much rather have sustained success as opposed to 1 great year and then back to mediocrity. 

[section122]

31 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

He's the Marty Scottenhiemer of coaches.

 

Marty took the Chargers who were the laughing stock of the league and restored them to respectability but he could never get them over the hump to win a championship.

 

Marty like McD made strange bone headed call after bone headed call in the playoffs

 

What happened when the chargers fired schottenheimer?

 

They haven't won 14 games since that year, they made it to 1 afc championship game the next year, and then lost the divisional round (same as marty) the next 2 years. 

 

Since then? They made the playoffs twice in 13 years.  Firing marty was dumb just like firing mcd would be.

[Chaos]

It seems most people have this vision of a slow grind of building a team and then advancing step by step through the years.  In real life, it is more like catching lightning in a bottle.  In the NFL the lightning is getting the right Starting QB / HC combo.    During the super bowl era, this is a list of how long each Starting QB/HC combo was together before winning their first champhionship together.  A couple of notes, Lombardi/Starr won NFL championships together before the Super Bowl era. Stram/Dawson's first championship together was an AFL championship

Next, a review of this list makes a strong case that Joe Gibbs is the greatest coach in NFL history. 

The mean average of time together before winning the first championship in the super bowl era is 2.5  Years.  Only once were a coach and starting QB together for more than four years before winning their first championship together. (Ken Stabler/ John Madden in 1976).

In terms of winning a championship, the Bills are in nearly uncharted waters vs history.  
 

Season    QB-Coach Combo    First Championship Together
1966    Bart Starr*MVP-Vince Lombardi    Year 2
1967    Bart Starr*MVP-Vince Lombardi (2)    Year 2
1968    Joe Namath*MVP-Weeb Ewbank    Year 3
1969    Len Dawson*MVP-Hank Stram    Year 1
1970    Johnny Unitas*-Don McCafferty    Year 8
1971    Roger Staubach*MVP-Tom Landry    Year 2
1972    Bob Griese*-Don Shula    Year 3
1973    Bob Griese*-Don Shula (2)    Year 3
1974    Terry Bradshaw*-Chuck Noll    Year 4
1975    Terry Bradshaw*-Chuck Noll (2)    Year 4
1976    Ken Stabler*-John Madden    Year 6
1977    Roger Staubach*-Tom Landry (2)    Year 2
1978    Terry Bradshaw*MVP-Chuck Noll (3)    Year 4
1979    Terry Bradshaw*MVP-Chuck Noll (4)    Year 4
1980    Jim PlunkettMVP-Tom Flores    Year 1
1981    Joe Montana*MVP-Bill Walsh    Year 3
1982    Joe Theismann-Joe Gibbs    Year 2
1983    Jim Plunkett-Tom Flores (2)    Year 1
1984    Joe Montana*MVP-Bill Walsh (2)    Year 3
1985    Jim McMahon-Mike Ditka    Year 4
1986    Phil SimmsMVP-Bill Parcells    Year 3
1987    Doug WilliamsMVP-Joe Gibbs (2)    Year 2
1988    Joe Montana*-Bill Walsh (3)    Year 3
1989    Joe Montana*MVP-George Seifert    Year 1
1990    Jeff Hostetler-Bill Parcells (2)    Year 1
1991    Mark RypienMVP-Joe Gibbs (3)    Year 4
1992    Troy Aikman*MVP-Jimmy Johnson    Year 3
1993    Troy Aikman*-Jimmy Johnson (2)    Year 3
1994    Steve Young*MVP-George Seifert (2)    Year 3
1995    Troy Aikman*-Barry Switzer    Year 2
1996    Brett Favre*-Mike Holmgren    Year 3
1997    John Elway*-Mike Shanahan    Year 3
1998    John Elway*MVP-Mike Shanahan (2)    Year 3
1999    Kurt Warner*MVP-Dick Vermeil    Year 2
2000    Trent Dilfer-Brian Billick    Year 1
2001    Tom BradyMVP-Bill Belichick    Year 2
2002    Brad Johnson-Jon Gruden    Year 1
2003    Tom BradyMVP-Bill Belichick (2)    Year 2
2004    Tom Brady-Bill Belichick (3)    Year 2
2005    Ben Roethlisberger-Bill Cowher    Year 2
2006    Peyton Manning*MVP-Tony Dungy    Year 4
2007    Eli ManningMVP-Tom Coughlin    Year 3
2008    Ben Roethlisberger-Mike Tomlin    Year 2
2009    Drew BreesMVP-Sean Payton    Year 3
2010    Aaron RodgersMVP-Mike McCarthy    Year 3
2011    Eli ManningMVP-Tom Coughlin (2)    Year 3
2012    Joe FlaccoMVP-John Harbaugh    Year 4
2013    Russell Wilson-Pete Carroll    Year 2
2014    Tom BradyMVP-Bill Belichick (4)    Year 2
2015    Peyton Manning*-Gary Kubiak    Year 1
2016    Tom BradyMVP-Bill Belichick (5)    Year 2
2017    Nick FolesMVP-Doug Pederson    Year 1
2018    Tom Brady-Bill Belichick (6)    Year 2
2019    Patrick MahomesMVP-Andy Reid    Year 2
2020    Tom BradyMVP-Bruce Arians    Year 2
2021    Matthew Stafford-Sean McVay    Year 1

Edited November 19, 2022 by Chaos