Seriously, how complicated is our offense

[Straight Hucklebuck]

12 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Yeah certainly slow and not capable. 2 punt return TDs in one game:

 

 

 

Beats the DBs for 34 yard TD

 

https://www.colts.com/video/highlight-nyheim-hines-scores-on-34-yard-cutback-td-run

 

Why does it have to be 98 yards?  Thats the measuring stick?

Ok Scott, you’re right, I throw my hands up.

 

Nyheim Hines is definitely known around the league as a burner. 
 

The Bills just can’t figure out how to unlock all that speed must be.

[Scott7975]

5 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Peterson absolutely did NOT say that he knew what play we were running. 

 

He did say that he knew two concepts we often use in the red zone. So he thought he'd see those concepts, but didn't know for sure. He was prepared for some types of plays we run in the red zone. And he did say that Gabe was running only in-breakers all day. (If that's true, it should absolutely be corrected. Gabe runs out-breakers really well. If they fell into a pattern this game without noticing, that does need to be addressed.)

 

Most teams have red zone packages and go with things that have worked for them.

 

So Peterson knew what types of things to look for. He did think that if the D went quarters he might see a dig or a double post, and Gabe was indeed running a post there. Peterson also says, "Everybody loves to run that." It's not just the Bills. But he had the right idea.

 

But if he so clearly knew what was going to happen, how come it took a bad throw for him to make that INT?

 

Peterson was beaten on the play. A good pass there is a touchdown. Peterson was behind and to the right. Allen threw low and behind, right to him. If he'd led Davis correctly and put it high, it was a touchdown.

 

It was a pass that just wasn't good enough. Someone on here the other day said that it seemed Josh was forcing balls to Diggs and Davis. That's what seemed to happen that play. Two guys were opener on easier throws. That's a tendency, and probably one of Josh's rather than Dorsey's.

 

That was the crucial bit of Peterson's quotation. He said, "Josh thought he had it, and like I said, Josh is a guy that trusts his arm strength. He's a gunslinger. Coach alluded to it all week. 'Stay plastered into your coverage. Stay tight into your coverage. He just might throw you one.' "

 

Yeah, that's what happened. Three guys were open, the closer two very open and Davis a bit but the throw had to be perfect. Josh picked the receiver he most wanted there, the guy who was least open but furthest down the field, and he does indeed trust his arm. That throw had to be a really good one and instead it was, what, a yard and a half to the right and low and hard instead of thrown over the top. That was a shame.

 

Most of the game he was his usual terrific self, but he had five or six throws that weren't up to his usual standards. That's how he's looked the past two or three games. And it's cost us.

 

 

 

Peterson said right in the beginning he knew the routes gabe davis runs in certain formation sets.  He said he knew the concepts we run in the redzone and listed them.  So yeah... they knew what we were doing.  The video I put below in part shows where other teams knew what we were doing.

 

You should maybe watch this.  Im not the only one that thinks some of our plays are predictable just by formation.

 

 

Edited November 18, 2022 by Scott7975

[Buffalo Junction]

7 hours ago, HoofHearted said:

This isn't true. Quarters rules have the LB play the wheel of #3. Peterson would have been in the exact same spot regardless of what Singletary did.

Respectfully disagree. You’re absolutely correct for the route concept we ran…. However, with a wheel route or motioned RB the LBer is only fully responsible for the first half of the route. Petersons responsibility would have been to break off and help over the top, especially if the LBer can’t carry the route. If Peterson makes the same assumption as he did and that LB isn’t fast enough the RB’s wheel route is open for an end zone shot. It’s why the CB is supposed to play that post on the outside hip of the WR instead of undercutting the route. Regardless, due to how Peterson played that route concept Allen should have either thrown to Singletary, thrown a high ball to Davis that would have gone out of bounds if missed, run it, or put it in the dirt. Peterson simply knew he didn’t have to worry about anyone threatening that zone unless the play turned into a scramble drill. 

Edited November 18, 2022 by Buffalo Junction

[Chicken Boo]

Classic McDermott Bills, wasting veteran RB talent.  

[HoofHearted]

13 hours ago, Buffalo Junction said:

Respectfully disagree. You’re absolutely correct for the route concept we ran…. However, with a wheel route or motioned RB the LBer is only fully responsible for the first half of the route. Petersons responsibility would have been to break off and help over the top, especially if the LBer can’t carry the route. If Peterson makes the same assumption as he did and that LB isn’t fast enough the RB’s wheel route is open for an end zone shot. It’s why the CB is supposed to play that post on the outside hip of the WR instead of undercutting the route. Regardless, due to how Peterson played that route concept Allen should have either thrown to Singletary, thrown a high ball to Davis that would have gone out of bounds if missed, run it, or put it in the dirt. Peterson simply knew he didn’t have to worry about anyone threatening that zone unless the play turned into a scramble drill. 

They're playing "Palms" which is a pattern match Quarters coverage also known as 2-Read. Both Corner and Safety are keying the #2 receiver. The corner is aligned outside leverage of #1 because the coverage can turn into a Cover 2 look depending on the route combination they get. If the #2 receiver were to break out the corner would drive the out and pass off the #1 receiver to the Safety. The corner needs to be outside leverage of this in order to force the #1 receiver to inside release him to give the Safety more time to work over the top of #1. In the Double Post scenario we gave them both #2 and #1 were vertical. Once the #2 and #1 receivers get past linebacker depth it turns into Cover 0 for the Safety and Corner with the ability to still trade off the route if they run some type of deep Scissors concept. In the case of the Double Post - as soon as the corner sees the inbreak of the #2 receiver he now knows he has true man coverage on the #1 receiver and can begin to push to inside leverage of the #1 to take away the Post. 

 

Linebackers are relate to #2 players in Palms. Once they get their pass read they will drop to the curl window and work to the inside hip of the #2 receiver. His rules are to wall any seam or inbreaking route by #2 and force it outside and over the top in order to push it to the Safety. Once #2 has released vertically he can settle and look for anything else coming out and potentially trying to cross his face. If anything crosses his face he has it man to man. So a swing by the back would widen the outside linebacker to the flat. If the back were to wheel it up the sideline the linebacker would carry the wheel of the back.

[78thealltimegreat]

I saw this with the Cowboys under Jason Garrett he believed in running simple plays over and over again as a way to psychologically get in a opponents heads. It worked sometimes it didn’t work others. 
Seems the Bills just think they can lineup and run the same plays and beat their opponents and in reality if not for acts of insane luck by the Vikings last week they would be right. 
Still if you’re looking for trick plays or creativity this isn’t the team for you. It’s basically Josh Allen and Steff Diggs then a bunch of guys running the same routes.