Straight Hucklebuck Posted November 17, 2022 Posted November 17, 2022 34 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said: Hines is a role player at best, I think there is an unrealistic expectation on what his impact should be. The Bills average 20 touches to RB's, how should that be broken up? Singletary 10 Cook 9 Hines 1 Quote
FilthyBeast Posted November 17, 2022 Posted November 17, 2022 Based on what we've seen in recent weeks not sure how complicated this offense is when it seems like they run the same handful off plays over and over again, with the entire passing game built around Diggs and the weird RB by committee thing in which every time Singletary actually gets going they decide to start giving carries to someone else. In terms of Hines thought, get the feeling this is going to end up being a dud of a trade if anything because he's really just another Breida clone from last year and he was also hyped up and barely used in the end. 1 Quote
blacklabel Posted November 17, 2022 Posted November 17, 2022 Yeah, their tendency to slowly bring along rookies and new signings can get irritating. There are only so many plays to be run, it's more just about knowing the terminology and the checks and stuff. But even with that, I mean, dude been playing football his whole life, surely he can look at the playbook and see plays he ran in Indy just under different names here. 2 Quote
Einstein Posted November 17, 2022 Posted November 17, 2022 12 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Singletary 10 Cook 9 Hines 1 Yeah I was assuming the Bills see Hines as more of a pass catcher than a runner. 1 Quote
Straight Hucklebuck Posted November 17, 2022 Posted November 17, 2022 Just now, Einstein said: Yeah I was assuming the Bills see Hines as more of a pass catcher than a runner. Yeah this idea that he is somehow going to play slot-WR is half baked to me. He is 5'9" and not very fast. He doesn't play like a 4.38 WR. He plays like a small 4.50 running back catching dump off passes and getting tackled after 7-yards. Quote
Einstein Posted November 17, 2022 Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Yeah this idea that he is somehow going to play slot-WR is half baked to me. He is 5'9" and not very fast. He doesn't play like a 4.38 WR. He is faster than both Diggs and Gabe Davis. Edit: and Cole Beasley . Edited November 17, 2022 by Einstein 1 Quote
Negan Posted November 17, 2022 Posted November 17, 2022 Can we bring in Phil Jackson to run the triangle 📐 offense? Maybe get Dennis, Michael, and Scotty to show how it's done. Quote
Straight Hucklebuck Posted November 17, 2022 Posted November 17, 2022 35 minutes ago, Einstein said: He is faster than both Diggs and Gabe Davis. Edit: and Cole Beasley . Definitely isn't. Watch his Indy highlights. He runs like a scat back, jumpy movements. It's not smooth. Hines is not capable of a 98-yard TD running away from DBs. Quote
Einstein Posted November 17, 2022 Posted November 17, 2022 Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said: Definitely isn't. Watch his Indy highlights. He runs like a scat back, jumpy movements. It's not smooth. Hines is not capable of a 98-yard TD running away from DBs. You realize they test player speed at the combine right? Hines was faster than all 3. 2 Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted November 17, 2022 Posted November 17, 2022 51 minutes ago, blacklabel said: Yeah, their tendency to slowly bring along rookies and new signings can get irritating. There are only so many plays to be run, it's more just about knowing the terminology and the checks and stuff. But even with that, I mean, dude been playing football his whole life, surely he can look at the playbook and see plays he ran in Indy just under different names here. Every single player acquired at the trade deadline had an immediate impact on their new team except Hines. If we’re going to dick around and not use these guys why the F did we waste the picks? 2 Quote
RyanC883 Posted November 17, 2022 Posted November 17, 2022 15 hours ago, Scott7975 said: Is our offense that complicated that a 5 year vet cant get some plays? This is one thing I dont like about our coaches. They dont trust anyone to play football and have to coddle everyone. Teams around the league had players make plays after only being on the team for like 4 days. Not our team though. Our team needs rookies to get close to the end of their rookie contract before they see the field unless out of necessity. Our team wont have Hines ready until next year. totally agree with this. McD is overthinking everything. Get the best players out there. Have some plays for them. McCaffrey still looks like a beast in San Fran. 1 Quote
Nephilim17 Posted November 17, 2022 Posted November 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Yeah this idea that he is somehow going to play slot-WR is half baked to me. He is 5'9" and not very fast. He doesn't play like a 4.38 WR. He plays like a small 4.50 running back catching dump off passes and getting tackled after 7-yards. If you don't believe your own eyes when it comes to Hines, do you believe Allen's and Digg's? When they first saw Hines run in practice they turned to each other and commented on how fast he was. 1 Quote
Toyo321 Posted November 17, 2022 Posted November 17, 2022 48 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: totally agree with this. McD is overthinking everything. Get the best players out there. Have some plays for them. McCaffrey still looks like a beast in San Fran. Yeah I agree too. We always try to make simple process more complicated than it needs to be. You teach the guy the basic's to your offense and the rest of the play or the results after the catch are always different when you're a running back coming out of the backfield. 1 Quote
Southern_Bills Posted November 17, 2022 Posted November 17, 2022 10 hours ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said: The offense is pretty vanilla. There are no creative formations and very little misdirection. To me it seems like McD and Dorsey want to brutalize the opponent with their execution and talent. This gets you so only far until there is enough tape on your offense to defend it. Gotta rememeber....the guys on the other side of the ball are talented too. Listening to Gabe Davis and Diggs interviews it seems the "creativity" comes from having options at the top of the route. They can execute 3 different routes on most plays according on coverage. Which requires chemistry with the QB, which would lend to the thinking of it taking more time to get guys involved. It would also explain motor getting more plays than Cook when , IMO, Cook is clearly better. Not defending them necessarily, just trying to piece together what's going on with logic. Quote
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted November 17, 2022 Posted November 17, 2022 I think I am tired of this “grow” nonsense, the only thing I want to see grow is the win column. 1 Quote
Scott7975 Posted November 17, 2022 Author Posted November 17, 2022 3 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Beasley had training camp. And didn't run at RB or on STs, so his role was much less complex. Beasley also in the years when he was one of our best two or three options put up 11.6 and 11.8 Y/R. Hines has never been that dynamic. His high is 7.8. He's right, you're imagining a different Hines. Comparing him to Beasley or Davis just doesn't make sense. Im not comparing him to Beasley or Davis. Follow the entire conversation. Saying that Hines "only" had 86 touches or whatever was is a nonsensical arguement. Im not imagining a different Hines. Im imagining a guy that can play RB, Slot, and punt/kick return. He is fast and a very good pass catching back. Thats what I am imagining and thats what he is. Is he elite? No but he is very good and he is fast. He ran a 4.38 40 which makes him the fastest offensive guy on our team. Quote
Scott7975 Posted November 17, 2022 Author Posted November 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Yeah this idea that he is somehow going to play slot-WR is half baked to me. He is 5'9" and not very fast. He doesn't play like a 4.38 WR. He plays like a small 4.50 running back catching dump off passes and getting tackled after 7-yards. He is the fastest guy on our team. Getting tackled after 7-8 yards is basically what pass catching backs do until they break one. Quote
starrymessenger Posted November 17, 2022 Posted November 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: He is the fastest guy on our team. Getting tackled after 7-8 yards is basically what pass catching backs do until they break one. He fast. He bad fast. Hes also quick and good in space. I'm sure we will get a good look at him soon. 1 Quote
goldenboy81 Posted November 17, 2022 Posted November 17, 2022 Well apparently Gabe only runs 3 routes so my answer is not complicated 1 Quote
Scott7975 Posted November 17, 2022 Author Posted November 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Definitely isn't. Watch his Indy highlights. He runs like a scat back, jumpy movements. It's not smooth. Hines is not capable of a 98-yard TD running away from DBs. Yeah certainly slow and not capable. 2 punt return TDs in one game: Beats the DBs for 34 yard TD https://www.colts.com/video/highlight-nyheim-hines-scores-on-34-yard-cutback-td-run Why does it have to be 98 yards? Thats the measuring stick? Quote
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