Seriously, how complicated is our offense

[Scott7975]

Is our offense that complicated that a 5 year vet cant get some plays?  This is one thing I dont like about our coaches.  They dont trust anyone to play football and have to coddle everyone.

 

 

Teams around the league had players make plays after only being on the team for like 4 days.  Not our team though.  Our team needs rookies to get close to the end of their rookie contract before they see the field unless out of necessity.  Our team wont have Hines ready until next year.  

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, Process said:

Hines won't be on the team next year. We are not paying a punt returner $5M.

 

Regarding this year, we aren't using him because of our coaches typical stubbornness that you pointed out and also because we had zero need for him, and the trade made no sense considering the offense we run.

I agree it's weird it takes so long for new players to contribute, but Hines definitely fits the offense as a speedy pass catching back. It definitely made sense. I assume they'll be trying to adjust his contract, or else it's him and Cook as the starting running backs next year, probably with a draft pick.

[Buffalo Junction]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

Is our offense that complicated that a 5 year vet cant get some plays?  This is one thing I dont like about our coaches.  They dont trust anyone to play football and have to coddle everyone.

 

 

Teams around the league had players make plays after only being on the team for like 4 days.  Not our team though.  Our team needs rookies to get close to the end of their rookie contract before they see the field unless out of necessity.  Our team wont have Hines ready until next year.  

IDK, but there have certainly been points in games this year where it looks like guys who’ve been on the team don’t know their assignments.

[Scott7975]

16 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

I agree it's weird it takes so long for new players to contribute, but Hines definitely fits the offense as a speedy pass catching back. It definitely made sense. I assume they'll be trying to adjust his contract, or else it's him and Cook as the starting running backs next year, probably with a draft pick.

 

Oh yeah, Im not saying he dont fit.  What I am getting at is it shouldnt be this complicated to work him into the offense. They spend the off season looking for a pass catching back.  They got Cook in the draft.  Rarely use him.  They get Hines and after two weeks havent really used him.  Meanwhile other teams made trades and those players have made plays for their teams 4 days later.

 

I really dont believe we have dummies for players.  I also dont believe that our system is so complex that a rookie running back after rookie camp, training camp, and 9 weeks into the season... and a vet running back dont understand it enough to be involved outside of just a few plays.  It just doesnt make sense.  The other thing of note is they also spent the off season trying to pick up another good TE.  So it seemed as if TE would be a point of emphasis in our offense as well as pass catching back.  We have a TE that made a lot of good plays last season but hardly any this season.  So now two points of emphasis for our offense in the off season are not utilized hardly ever thus far.

 

These are the types of things that make me think Dorsey isnt doing good enough job.

Edited November 17, 2022 by Scott7975

[LeGOATski]

1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Oh yeah, Im not saying he dont fit.  What I am getting at is it shouldnt be this complicated to work him into the offense. They spend the off season looking for a pass catching back.  They got Cook in the draft.  Rarely use him.  They get Hines and after two weeks havent really used him.  Meanwhile other teams made trades and those players have made plays for their teams 4 days later.

 

I really dont believe we have dummies for players.  I also dont believe that our system is so complex that a rookie running back and a vet running back dont understand it enough to be involved outside of just a few plays.  It just doesnt make sense.  The other thing of note is they also spent the off season trying to pick up another good TE.  So it seemed as if TE would be a point of emphasis in our offense as well as pass catching back.  We have a TE that made a lot of good plays last season but hardly any this season.  So now two points of emphasis for our offense in the off season are not utilized hardly ever thus far.

 

These are the types of things that make me think Dorsey isnt doing good enough job.

With the lack of threats at WR behind Diggs, it made sense that Knox would be used more. It's puzzling. Getting an explosive player like Hines involved shouldn't be a big ask, either. I think the Bills need these guys to step up now and Dorsey has to get creative in using them.

[Scott7975]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:

IDK, but there have certainly been points in games this year where it looks like guys who’ve been on the team don’t know their assignments.

 

True there does seem to be miscomunications here and there but when I hear Peterson say that he knew what play we were running and where Josh was going to go with the ball just based off our formation... it leads me to believe our O is not that complex.  The dude spent less than a week watching Bills film and can say that.

1 minute ago, LeGOATski said:

With the lack of threats at WR behind Diggs, it made sense that Knox would be used more. It's puzzling. Getting an explosive player like Hines involved shouldn't be a big ask, either. I think the Bills need these guys to step up now and Dorsey has to get creative in using them.

 

Exactly.

[LeGOATski]

1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

Exactly.

I have faith they'll figure it out and the offense will be rolling into the playoffs. That's been the trend the last 2 years. It's arguably just as much on Josh as it is Dorsey.

[Scott7975]

3 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

I have faith they'll figure it out and the offense will be rolling into the playoffs. That's been the trend the last 2 years. It's arguably just as much on Josh as it is Dorsey.

 

Yeah, I think they will figure it out.  I think that Josh will chill on the turnovers too.  It just doesnt make sense that our potentially two most explosive players pretty much ride the bench because they supposedly cant figure out our offense.

[Doc Brown]

It just feels like an offense who is still trying to find out its identity and they're trying too much at once.  From the outside looking in I'd just simplify it for a game.  Make Shakir the primary slot guy and have McKenzie be the gadget guy who takes maybe 25% or so of the snaps in the slot. 

 

As for running backs not named special teams ace Taiwan Jones, I'd only dress Singletary (RB 1A), Hines (RB 1B/punt returner), and Duke Johnson (backup/kick returner).  Make Cook a healthy scratch.  

 

Our offense is still pretty fricken good but inexcusable mental lapses is why we're not 9-0 right now.  Our best game was against Pittsburgh where it was mostly just Diggs, Davis, Shakir, and a split between Singletary and Cook.  Just keep it simple stupid is what I'm getting at.

[John from Riverside]

8 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

It just feels like an offense who is still trying to find out its identity and they're trying too much at once.  From the outside looking in I'd just simplify it for a game.  Make Shakir the primary slot guy and have McKenzie be the gadget guy who takes maybe 25% or so of the snaps in the slot. 

 

As for running backs not named special teams ace Taiwan Jones, I'd only dress Singletary (RB 1A), Hines (RB 1B/punt returner), and Duke Johnson (backup/kick returner).  Make Cook a healthy scratch.  

 

Our offense is still pretty fricken good but inexcusable mental lapses is why we're not 9-0 right now.  Our best game was against Pittsburgh where it was mostly just Diggs, Davis, Shakir, and a split between Singletary and Cook.  Just keep it simple stupid is what I'm getting at.

As much as I want to see James Cook continue to grow because it looks like he’s getting better as the season goes on I agree with you just too many running backs in the room splitting Carrie’s how are any of these guys supposed to develop any rhythm

[Doc Brown]

9 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

As much as I want to see James Cook continue to grow because it looks like he’s getting better as the season goes on I agree with you just too many running backs in the room splitting Carrie’s how are any of these guys supposed to develop any rhythm

I wouldn't be surprised if Cook is a healthy scratch as soon as they feel comfortable with Hines as the 1B back.  We made the move for Hines for this year and we don't have time to develop a rookie on the fly.

[Bubba Gump]

I don't get it either. I mean Christian McCaffery ran for a TD, caught a TD and f'n threw for a TD in his first game with SF. Traded players have impacts and play a lot in their first game with their new team. I sometimes think McD out thinks himself. 

[LeGOATski]

15 minutes ago, Bubba Gump said:

I don't get it either. I mean Christian McCaffery ran for a TD, caught a TD and f'n threw for a TD in his first game with SF. Traded players have impacts and play a lot in their first game with their new team. I sometimes think McD out thinks himself. 

And then there's Jeff Wilson Jr. in Miami, but he also went to a very familiar system. James Robinson in NJ got used right away, although not too impactful.

[BobbyC81]

39 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

As much as I want to see James Cook continue to grow because it looks like he’s getting better as the season goes on I agree with you just too many running backs in the room splitting Carrie’s how are any of these guys supposed to develop any rhythm

 

Jeff Wilson got traded from San Francisco to Miami and ran for over 100 yards this past week.

[Southern_Bills]

13 minutes ago, BobbyC81 said:

 

Jeff Wilson got traded from San Francisco to Miami and ran for over 100 yards this past week.

 

In the name of fairness, Mike McDaniel was the OC in San Francisco last year. He basically went to the same offense he left.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

It’s because we didn’t need him. 

[BananaB]

McD is more worried about players making mistakes then putting the guy on the field that can make plays. Hines will be caught up by mid August the way he coddles new additions to the team. 

[CSBill]

6 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

Is our offense that complicated that a 5 year vet cant get some plays?  This is one thing I dont like about our coaches.  They dont trust anyone to play football and have to coddle everyone.

 

 

Teams around the league had players make plays after only being on the team for like 4 days.  Not our team though.  Our team needs rookies to get close to the end of their rookie contract before they see the field unless out of necessity.  Our team wont have Hines ready until next year.  

 

I wonder the same thing. Can't you give him specific plays or even special attention in the huddle? Josh to Nyheim: "On this play, you run as fast as you can down the right sidelines and I'll throw it as far as I can, you go catch it. Ready, on three . . ."

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

The offense is pretty vanilla.  There are no creative formations and very little misdirection.  To me it seems like McD and Dorsey want to brutalize the opponent with their execution and talent.  

 

This gets you so only far until there is enough tape on your offense to defend it.  Gotta rememeber....the guys on the other side of the ball are talented too.

[PatsFanNH]

6 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

Is our offense that complicated that a 5 year vet cant get some plays?  This is one thing I dont like about our coaches.  They dont trust anyone to play football and have to coddle everyone.

 

 

Teams around the league had players make plays after only being on the team for like 4 days.  Not our team though.  Our team needs rookies to get close to the end of their rookie contract before they see the field unless out of necessity.  Our team wont have Hines ready until next year.  

I saw this for like 20 years! How many veterans came into NE and took either a long time or never ever got it? Heck Ocho Sinco never was able to figure it out.