Is Josh Daniels a saboteur?

[Coach Tuesday]

22 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

Mangini, Weiss, Crennel, Patricia, McDaniels all took advantage of the fact that they were on the Tom Brady winning train and owners around the league felt like Belichick must have had some magic that rubbed off on his staff.

 

All these guys turned out to be failed head coaches because there is no magic in NE, it was one guy who took it all with him when he left for Tampa.

 

Not Vrabel though - low-key a top 3 coach in the league, even though he's a total meathead he has his team ready almost every week and in almost every game situation.

[KHAN]

8 hours ago, major said:

coaches from emperor palpatine’s coaching tree

 

 

 

Edited November 16, 2022 by KHAN

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

42 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

Mangini, Weiss, Crennel, Patricia, McDaniels all took advantage of the fact that they were on the Tom Brady winning train and owners around the league felt like Belichick must have had some magic that rubbed off on his staff.

 

All these guys turned out to be failed head coaches because there is no magic in NE, it was one guy who took it all with him when he left for Tampa.

does Bellichick have any successful head coaches from his coaching tree? (I don’t really count Nick Saban, who was an NFL failure). 

21 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Not Vrabel though - low-key a top 3 coach in the league, even though he's a total meathead he has his team ready almost every week and in almost every game situation.

your description of Vrabel here is something I probably could have written verbatim. I will note though that he never coached under Bellichick. I also read that his time playing for Pittsburgh may have influenced his coaching more than his time as a player in NE. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

21 minutes ago, KHAN said:

 

 

You just stay in your own 'verse there, pal. 😁😉

[msw2112]

No conspiracy theory here.  McDaniels just sucks.  He is not a good head coach.  And Mark Davis is an idiot.  They had a good thing going last season with Rich Bisacchia and he gave up on that in favor of McDaniels.  Just stupid.

Edited November 16, 2022 by msw2112

[Nuncha]

2 hours ago, dpberr said:

Talented coordinator, bad head coach.

 

The Raiders are a team full of athletes, but few real deal football players.

Patriots will welcome him back with open arms after the Raiders fire him.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

11 hours ago, major said:

1. He has completely destroyed three afc teams, Denver, Indianapolis, and Las Vegas (all three teams were coming off some success against the dark lord’s patriots). *He technically left the colts at the altar at the last minute leaving them in a bind. 
2. His only success came when he was running spygate 2 with Denver. After he was caught and released, he went back with the empire/Bill B.

3. Rumor has it that he will go back to New England/Sauron once he is released from Las Vegas. 
4. Bottom line is that coaches from emperor palpatine’s coaching tree can’t coach worth a 💩 when they aren’t with the cheatriots. 
5. All makes me wonder if Josh Daniels and other former pats assistants, who get head coaching jobs, are simply saboteurs.

6. Thanks for listening to my tin foil rant and 🤔 away. #patsarestillvideotaping

 

Well, he won a couple playoff games w/ Tim Tebow so he has some degree of success. Interesting theory either way 

[Paup 1995MVP]

10 hours ago, chongli said:

Re the Indy situation, I heard on SiriusXM NFL Radio last week that a possible reason Josh "Daniels" may have reneged is that Belichick warned him off that job after he accepted. Belichick spent some of his early years a young assistant for Jim Irsay's Baltimore Colts, and Bill knew too many negative things about the family for it to be a good environment for Josh. Frank Reich learned the hard way.

Where did the narrative start that Frank Reich is a good head coach?  The shutout loss to Jacksonville in week 18 last year when the playoffs were on the line is all time stinker.  

[billybob71]

He's no Sean Dermott or Sean Vay

[First Round Bust]

3 hours ago, Da webster guy said:

Mangini, Weiss, Crennel, Patricia, McDaniels all took advantage of the fact that they were on the Tom Brady winning train and owners around the league felt like Belichick must have had some magic that rubbed off on his staff.

 

All these guys turned out to be failed head coaches because there is no magic in NE, it was one guy who took it all with him when he left for Tampa.

quite a list, but there's more...Joe Judge: 10-23 with NYG and Brian Flores: 24-25 with Miami...and given the track record of all...perhaps the best maybe the runt of the litter:  Brian Daboll 

[RoyBatty is alive]

3 hours ago, Da webster guy said:

Mangini, Weiss, Crennel, Patricia, McDaniels all took advantage of the fact that they were on the Tom Brady winning train and owners around the league felt like Belichick must have had some magic that rubbed off on his staff.

 

All these guys turned out to be failed head coaches because there is no magic in NE, it was one guy who took it all with him when he left for Tampa.

Add Bill O'Brien to that list.

[Low Positive]

24 minutes ago, First Round Bust said:

quite a list, but there's more...Joe Judge: 10-23 with NYG and Brian Flores: 24-25 with Miami...and given the track record of all...perhaps the best maybe the runt of the litter:  Brian Daboll 

The reason that they fail is that the "Patriot Way" only works if the team has a proven track record of winning. Players are willing to play joyless football if they are consistently competing for championships. Daboll is not doing that in NY. In fact, he's building a Bills-like culture to get player buy-in. 

[First Round Bust]

24 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Add Bill O'Brien to that list.

add the GM title as well here...which takes us into plenty of front office hires as well...GM, aGMs, scouting dirs, dirs of pro personnel, etc...I am going to pass on that...