Commitment to the run

[JMM]

https://mobile.twitter.com/danorlovsky7/status/1592540036750245892

 

Hmm, this guy know anything???

[bobobonators]

So many of these posts are reactionary week to week. The Commanders ran it 200x bc they have Heineke at QB. Don’t overthink it. 
 

We can cherry pick examples all day. Want an example? The Chiefs under Reid and Mahomes barely run and they continue to dominate. AFC championship games. Super Bowl. Etc. 
 

And yeh its a passing league. 
 

The key is being able to run the ball when you have to - short yardage. And we’ve struggled there. Likely bc of our OL not being dominant. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

8 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

And when it doesn’t work and the Bills repeatedly go three and out….then what? This is not a running football team, and our offensive line cannot move a pile to save their lives! Now that doesn’t mean you pass every down, but the late developing runs off the shotgun are very inconsistent and predictable. 

Yea seriously…it’s turnovers killing drives not 3 and outs anyway.  Gotta clean those up.  

[Einstein]

8 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

And when it doesn’t work and the Bills repeatedly go three and out….then what? This is not a running football team, and our offensive line cannot move a pile to save their lives! Now that doesn’t mean you pass every down, but the late developing runs off the shotgun are very inconsistent and predictable. 

 

I just mentioned this in another thread, but our run blocking is so bad that running the ball is often a waste of a down.

 

We ran the ball 8 times in the second half and 5 of those 8 runs went for 1 yard or less.

 

You can’t put your offense into 3rd and long over and over just because you want to “commit” to the run.

 

I like a good lasagna but I know my wife is not good at making it. She has tried many many times over the past decade. I have no interest in wasting more dinners on lasagna when she cooks other things well. 

[bobobonators]

Its also crazy how we score 30 points and everyone is yelling what is wrong with the offense. Unreal. Some of you are acting like we got shut out. 
 

How about the “great” defense prevent a 17pt lead from evaporating at home. 

[JMM]

9 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

So many of these posts are reactionary week to week. The Commanders ran it 200x bc they have Heineke at QB. Don’t overthink it. 
 

We can cherry pick examples all day. Want an example? The Chiefs under Reid and Mahomes barely run and they continue to dominate. AFC championship games. Super Bowl. Etc. 
 

And yeh its a passing league. 
 

The key is being able to run the ball when you have to - short yardage. And we’ve struggled there. Likely bc of our OL not being dominant. 

Being able to run the ball...hmm. Does that take COMITTEMENT  to it?? It's just amazing. Anyone that has played or coached the game would understand what I am saying. Running the football is about ATTITUDE. It's about making a commitment to it. Letting your O line get into a rhythm and believing in it. It's funny, McDermott has stressed this for the last two years, the need for it. But...what the hell does he know....

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

We actually tried to run it early in the second half. Very predictable runs on first down and the vikes run blitzed and it put us in second long all second half. 
 

I would prefer just a lot more play action on first down especially. Then sneak some runs in here and there.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

9 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

And when it doesn’t work and the Bills repeatedly go three and out….then what? This is not a running football team, and our offensive line cannot move a pile to save their lives! Now that doesn’t mean you pass every down, but the late developing runs off the shotgun are very inconsistent and predictable. 

What the heck does a 3rd-7 mean to the Bills?

 

Allen converted on back to back 3-15, 3-16’s.

 

Oh no, it’s 2nd-9, let’s get it to 3rd-manageable.

 

That’s Jauron, that’s Marrone. 

[HOUSE]

At this point I will try anything...

Move Dawson Knox to Fullback

 

Go for it...geeez

[frostbitmic]

We are committed to the run, Josh is our run game.

[realtruelove]

The strategy is not to commit to the run but commit to run the clock when in the fourth quarter and a two score lead.  1st objective is to protect the ball, second objective is keep the clock running as your opponent has less and less time to mount a comeback.  When you have your opponent on the ropes, you don't reward them by throwing incomplete passes to stop the clock and interceptions that result in zero points.    

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 minutes ago, JMM said:

Being able to run the ball...hmm. Does that take COMITTEMENT  to it?? It's just amazing. Anyone that has played or coached the game would understand what I am saying. Running the football is about ATTITUDE. It's about making a commitment to it. Letting your O line get into a rhythm and believing in it. It's funny, McDermott has stressed this for the last two years, the need for it. But...what the hell does he know....

The only way running the football is successful for us is when the defense is selling out to stop the pass…Minnesota murdered us on obvious running downs in the second half

[gobilz]

It’s not 1960

[FilthyBeast]

9 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

Where is the Chiefs commitment to the run?  The Rams last year?   Almost all of Brady’s years with the Pats?

 

This notion that there has to be a commitment to the run game in order to succeed is nonsense. 

 

Both the Chiefs and Rams were able to run when they needed to during their SB winning seasons which is what this team has pretty much also publicly said needs to be done. (i.e. not running the ball more, but getting more out their running game when they do).

 

Also looking back at the Patriots, they actually had some pretty strong running games even if by committee, particularly in Brady's earlier years when they leaned more on dominant defense/ST and efficient ball control type offense.

 

But at the end of the day I still have no problem with this being a pass first team as they should be, it's just sad that big runs from the RB's are few and far between and they can't seem to convert a short yardage play if their life depended on it.

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

I just mentioned this in another thread, but our run blocking is so bad that running the ball is often a waste of a down.

 

We ran the ball 8 times in the second half and 5 of those 8 runs went for 1 yard or less.

 

You can’t put your offense into 3rd and long over and over just because you want to “commit” to the run.

 

I like a good lasagna but I know my wife is not good at making it. She has tried many many times over the past decade. I have no interest in wasting more dinners on lasagna when she cooks other things well. 

I’ll make you a good lasagna! 😉

And regarding the football , you are correct. The Bills offensive line is terrible at run blocking. I was watching the Washington line and TEs totally collapse the Eagles to one side last night. The Eagles vaunted front seven literally looked like bowling pins going down all in unison. I cannot recall the Bills OLine ever doing that. 

[Augie]

Words like commitment and execution can take on different meanings. John McKay taught me that.  😋

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Augie said:

Words like commitment and execution can take on different meanings. John McKay taught me that.  😋

Funny….My ex-wife taught me that. 

[T master]

10 hours ago, JMM said:

I will continue to beat this dead horse. Did you see the Commanders last night? 50 carries, only averaged 3.7 yds, they continued to run. They committed to it. Yes, it was part of a strategy to keep an explosive Philly offense off the field.  Yes they don't have a Josh Allen. It doesn't matter. You need a commitment to the run. I know this will bring out the " it's a passing league,  you have Allen, you don't need to run!" comments. 

I watched the best pure passer ever his whole career, Marino. He never had a good run game. He got to one SB, never sniffed another one. I watched Elway. He never won a SB to late in his career.  What was the key those 2 years? The run game! I see McDermott for 3 years state we need to run more, we need to commit it to it, yet we don't. Who is the HC?? Is he in charge overall of what the team does or not. RUN THE DAMN BALL!

 

 

MY GOD SOMEONE GETS IT !! Sure Josh is great & i'm very glad the Bills have him but there is more to it than just him !! 

 

Our Bills seem to abandon the run way to easily I don't know if that's Josh Or Dorsey but in the first half of the game the other night the run game was doing pretty good & you go out & bring in people like Cook, Johnson, Hines, Gilliam, to match up with Motor so USE THEM !! 

 

Early this year they were using Gilliam in a 2 back set & passing more to Morris (which has great hands) & Motor was being Motor but the minute it doesn't work on a couple of plays ABANDON SHIP !! 

 

Morris, Knox, Sweeney, Johnson, Gilliam, Cook (to a point) have been total none factors for more than a couple of weeks now i feel they have the weapons they just are set on a couple of players to get the job done & need to utilize more than just 3 that are the go to's ...

[CEN-CAL17]

…..and quit limiting Cook to sweeps or tosses!

 

Anyone who watched Georgia play the last couple years knows Cook hits the holes fast if they are there, and before you know it he’s past the second level.

 

Dorsey only calls his number on perimeter runs. 

[MPT]

To me, it's about when they decide to run. Our offensive line doesn't get any movement so when we line up on 3rd & 2 and it's an obvious run down they always get stuffed. Stop running in those situations!

 

We get chunk runs when the defense is expecting the pass or at least accounting for it. Run more in those situations!