Bills defense had 12 men on the field for Dalvin Cook red zone stop in OT

[ArtVandalay]

20 hours ago, Process said:

Just curious, who said that post game?

Allen

[ArtVandalay]

9 hours ago, HoofHearted said:

That's not what Josh said in the presser. He said it was a double post, safety took the first post, but Josh felt he was in a position where he (the safety) could stop if he threw it over the top to Gabe so he tried to drive it.

No, that's what he said, go back and listen, he said Smith took the over and was in position for the throw over the top.

 

Gabe supposed to read the saftey and adjust, this is how our EP offense works with receivers reading coverage and adjusting routes. Smith chose to cover deep, Gabe needs to settle. Allen the tipped his hat to Peterson saying he's a savvy vet good play aka he read the coverage and the play and stayed under neath instead of following Gabe because he had Smith over him. 

[HoofHearted]

14 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

No, that's what he said, go back and listen, he said Smith took the over and was in position for the throw over the top.

 

Gabe supposed to read the saftey and adjust, this is how our EP offense works with receivers reading coverage and adjusting routes. Smith chose to cover deep, Gabe needs to settle. Allen the tipped his hat to Peterson saying he's a savvy vet good play aka he read the coverage and the play and stayed under neath instead of following Gabe because he had Smith over him. 

You completely misinterpreted what Allen said. Bills ran Double Posts vs Quarters which should be a quarters beater since the Safety will go with the Post by #2 and the corner is then responsible for #1 man to man. They got the exact look they wanted from the defense for the called concept. Gabe should win on the Post every time because the corner is playing outside leverage on #1 in quarters so as soon as you take away the Safety there is no longer help inside. Smith was not over Gabe - Josh said he felt that he WAS in a position to make a play if he threw the post ball over the top to Gabe and so he tried forced it (I believe he used the word “drive”) into the window but threw it behind.

 

Based on the concept and the coverage there should have been no route conversions. Go listen to it again.

 

EDIT: I think you got hung up on “took the over” - the “over” being referenced is the Post being run by, I believe, Morris. Smith isn’t “covering deep” he’s playing the Post by #2

Edited November 16, 2022 by HoofHearted

[ArtVandalay]

1 hour ago, HoofHearted said:

You completely misinterpreted what Allen said. Bills ran Double Posts vs Quarters which should be a quarters beater since the Safety will go with the Post by #2 and the corner is then responsible for #1 man to man. They got the exact look they wanted from the defense for the called concept. Gabe should win on the Post every time because the corner is playing outside leverage on #1 in quarters so as soon as you take away the Safety there is no longer help inside. Smith was not over Gabe - Josh said he felt that he WAS in a position to make a play if he threw the post ball over the top to Gabe and so he tried forced it (I believe he used the word “drive”) into the window but threw it behind.

 

Based on the concept and the coverage there should have been no route conversions. Go listen to it again.

 

EDIT: I think you got hung up on “took the over” - the “over” being referenced is the Post being run by, I believe, Morris. Smith isn’t “covering deep” he’s playing the Post by #2

I'm not at all, sorry but go back listen to Josh and watch the play. 

 

Josh isn't going to come out and throw Gabe blatantly under the bus and say he ran the wrong route, which seems what you want him to do to admit that. 

 

You even say yourself Peterson has outside leverage, which perfectly sets up Gabe to settle middle of the field vacated by the saftey. 

 

They didn't run double post, again your not listening to what he said or watching the play. He said double post-ish type concept,  it was an over route and post route, Morris on the over, Gabe on the post.

 

Saftey has the deep ball covered,  Josh says it, he knows he does, he took the over route (Morris) and says he was in position to stop if he threw it over the top (come off the over route to Gabes post), he's not trying to go up top to Gabe.

 

That's why he tips his hat to Peterson for reading the coverage as a savy vet knowing saftey had it covered over the top, and stayed undernearth.

 

When the saftey took the over and vacated the field Gabe was supposed to dig and settle underneath -- to EXACTLY where the ball was thrown. 

 

Are you really claiming Josh missed a throw by 10 yards when he was fully behind it? Come on that's silly.

 

Gabe did the a similar thing last week running the wrong route vs the Jets and gave Sauce a free pick. 5 of Allens INTs have gone Gabes way it's been an issue all year. 

 

 

[MPT]

On 11/14/2022 at 10:15 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Motor "appeared" to be down upon further review but there was no way to tell for sure.   Refs handled that by the book.

 

There wasn't one angle that showed both Devin's elbow and the ball but the broadcast showed 4 simultaneous angles of that play and said "this is what they're looking at." You could see Singletary's elbow down in one angle and the ball still in his control in another angle at the same exact moment. There was no excuse for that call to stand. 

[HoofHearted]

11 hours ago, ArtVandalay said:

I'm not at all, sorry but go back listen to Josh and watch the play. 

 

Josh isn't going to come out and throw Gabe blatantly under the bus and say he ran the wrong route, which seems what you want him to do to admit that. 

 

You even say yourself Peterson has outside leverage, which perfectly sets up Gabe to settle middle of the field vacated by the saftey. 

 

They didn't run double post, again your not listening to what he said or watching the play. He said double post-ish type concept,  it was an over route and post route, Morris on the over, Gabe on the post.

 

Saftey has the deep ball covered,  Josh says it, he knows he does, he took the over route (Morris) and says he was in position to stop if he threw it over the top (come off the over route to Gabes post), he's not trying to go up top to Gabe.

 

That's why he tips his hat to Peterson for reading the coverage as a savy vet knowing saftey had it covered over the top, and stayed undernearth.

 

When the saftey took the over and vacated the field Gabe was supposed to dig and settle underneath -- to EXACTLY where the ball was thrown. 

 

Are you really claiming Josh missed a throw by 10 yards when he was fully behind it? Come on that's silly.

 

Gabe did the a similar thing last week running the wrong route vs the Jets and gave Sauce a free pick. 5 of Allens INTs have gone Gabes way it's been an issue all year. 

 

 

 

You can disagree all you want, but I'm telling you what happened. Gabe settling where Josh threw it makes no sense based on the coverage they got. It's MAN TO MAN after 8 yards with a corner outside leverage! So why tf would Gabe settle and let the corner play catch-up instead of continuing to run AWAY from the corner on the post. C'mon man it's not that hard. Nothing is ever Allen's fault around here lol.

 

EDIT: 

Same concept here - Double Post - Coverage is 0 so the throw goes to #2 as the receiver presses his toes and crosses face but watch the throw - low and outside when Allen is trying drive the throw. 

 

Edited November 16, 2022 by HoofHearted