Seriously disappointed in this board at how many have turned on Allen

[BullBuchanan]

5 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

The defense offered a difficult position but not a horrible position. All Josh had to do was clasp the ball. If he managed it, he failed.

Please tell me how the defense were to blame for his interception in over time? I'm dying to know.

I'm so glad you asked. If the defense doesn't allow Minnesota to convert on 4th and 18 then the overtime interception doesn't exist as overtime doesn't exist.

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

I'm so glad you asked. If the defense doesn't allow Minnesota to convert on 4th and 18 then the overtime interception doesn't exist as overtime doesn't exist.

 

A sixth round practice squad CB caught out on a fluke play is more to blame than a $250m supposedly future HoF QB completing a simple play?

[Eastport bills]

Why would you be disappointed? Are you disappointed when the superlatives are over the top when he plays like Superman. The idea is to have a realistic reaction to a game that he crushed the team with a really bad decision. It doesn’t take away from how great a QB we have. He has to clean things up and value the ball in the red zone when he’s got points in his pocket. 

[Jauronimo]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

Imagine saying the bare minimum was done by the defense, when the bare minimum by the offense/QB was “don’t fumble in your endzone,” and they couldn’t execute.

 

Josh could have run out of the back of the endzone. He could have thrown a pick 30 yards down the field. He could have taken a safety. All those things give us a better chance to win than not fumble for a TD the other way. 
 

Has to be trolling. No one could believe this.

 

 

No dude, the game was over when our defense gave up 4th and 18 at the 2 minute warning.  Granted they got two consecutive 4th down stops at the 1 yard line and would get the ball back 1 minute and 20 seconds later but by that point the damage had been done.  0 points had been scored and Minnesota was a lock to win by a 4 point deficit.  Our offense was asked to hold on to the football and execute a center-QB exchange, a nearly impossible task with the game on the line.

Edited November 14, 2022 by Jauronimo

[BullBuchanan]

9 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

A sixth round practice squad CB caught out on a fluke play is more to blame than a $250m supposedly future HoF QB completing a simple play?

Well he used to be a a CB. Apparently he's a Safety now?

To answer your question though - No, the bad player is not to blame for making a bad play. The person who put the bad player in the position to make the bad play is to blame. Coincidentally, he's also the person that put the good player in the position to make the bad play the last time this same exact thing happened, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that, etc.

[FireChans]

6 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

No dude, the game was over when our defense gave up 4th and 18 at the 2 minute warning.  Granted they get two consecutive 4th down stops at the 1 yard line and would get the ball back 1 minute and 20 seconds later but by the point the damage had been done and 0 points had been scored.  Our offense was asked to hold on to the football and execute a center-QB exchange, a nearly impossible task with the game on the line.

The defense could have stopped the Vikings on 4th and 18 and then Josh could have fumbled to give them the ball right back! Game over! We win!

[Logic]

The lengths people are going to to blame anyone BUT Josh Allen for yesterday's loss are a sight to behold.

So far, I've heard in this thread and others that Ken Dorsey, Sean McDermott, Leslie Frazier, Brandon Beane, Cam Lewis, and "internal strife" are to blame. The guy who turned the ball over three times, though? Somehow he's immune to criticism. 

Oy vey.

[UKBillFan]

5 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Well he used to be a a CB. Apparently he's a Safety now?

To answer your question though - No, the bad player is not to blame for making a bad play. The person who put the bad player in the position to make the bad play is to blame. Coincidentally, he's also the person that put the good player in the position to make the bad play the last time this same exact thing happened, and the time before that, and the time before that, and the time before that, etc.

 

True - he switched positions out of necessity due to injuries.

 

I don't think Lewis made a bad play as of such; nine times out of ten he would have come down with the ball. I don't think anyone expected Jefferson to do what he did, Jefferson included.

I appreciate what you are saying about the coaching but the difference for me is the defense rectified the error, to a degree, by holding them up on the line. Josh made an error in fumbling the ball and then compounded the error but throwing the interception. And it wasn't a difficult interception or an all or bust throw like the first INT. It was a stupid play in a ridiculous situation.

[BarleyNY]

14 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I’m not gonna name names, but there are some pretty stupid comments about our QB around here right now.  I’ve never seen a bigger group of ungrateful cry babies than a bunch of people around these parts the last few weeks.  
 

This guy lays it all on the line on every play.  Yeah, he has had a handful of plays the past few weeks that are not what we are accustomed to seeing from him.  But I see idiotic comments comparing him to Wentz, saying he isn’t living up to his contract, he’s been trash, etc etc.  

 

First, how about some appreciation he even played today, and WITHOUT pain killers in his elbow.  How about how he was the only reason we were even in this game.  How about how he didn’t even look to protect himself despite playing hurt while scrambling to all game trying to win.  He’s a warrior on every play and played hurt today.  
 

How quickly y’all forget what life around used to be before we were blessed with Allen.  How about rallying around our guy?  Don’t have to make excuses for him, he doesn’t either.  But the amount of people straight throwing him under the bus is pathetic.

 

End of the day…despite the offensive miscues…We are essentially 2 missed FGs and a miracle catch by Jefferson (that might have been the greatest catch I’ve ever seen) from being undefeated.  Despite missing half our defense in all 3 losses.  

When we were healthy we were destroying teams.  Offense has had 3 bad second halves in a row, now it’s time for Dorsey and Allen to figure out what is going wrong in the second half and make adjustments.

 

I for one have all the confidence in the world still in Josh that we will figure this out.  

Instead of pretending to take the high road and acting like you’re better than a bunch of posters you won’t even name, why not simply respond to their comments if what they’re typing is so bad? Why grandstand with a new thread and the holier-(fan-)than-thou BS?

 

And, sure, a handful of posters went off the rails - some of whom are surely trolls. But I’ve seen a lot more people giving their thoughts on how to fix things than saying Allen sucks. I’ve also seen some of the blame put on other people who should share it too - OL, coaches, FO, etc. 

 

Allen chose to be an NFL QB and reap the rewards of that. He also signed up for the criticism and scrutiny that goes along with it. 

[B-Large]

15 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I’m not gonna name names, but there are some pretty stupid comments about our QB around here right now.  I’ve never seen a bigger group of ungrateful cry babies than a bunch of people around these parts the last few weeks.  
 

This guy lays it all on the line on every play.  Yeah, he has had a handful of plays the past few weeks that are not what we are accustomed to seeing from him.  But I see idiotic comments comparing him to Wentz, saying he isn’t living up to his contract, he’s been trash, etc etc.  

 

First, how about some appreciation he even played today, and WITHOUT pain killers in his elbow.  How about how he was the only reason we were even in this game.  How about how he didn’t even look to protect himself despite playing hurt while scrambling to all game trying to win.  He’s a warrior on every play and played hurt today.  
 

How quickly y’all forget what life around used to be before we were blessed with Allen.  How about rallying around our guy?  Don’t have to make excuses for him, he doesn’t either.  But the amount of people straight throwing him under the bus is pathetic.

 

End of the day…despite the offensive miscues…We are essentially 2 missed FGs and a miracle catch by Jefferson (that might have been the greatest catch I’ve ever seen) from being undefeated.  Despite missing half our defense in all 3 losses.  

When we were healthy we were destroying teams.  Offense has had 3 bad second halves in a row, now it’s time for Dorsey and Allen to figure out what is going wrong in the second half and make adjustments.

 

I for one have all the confidence in the world still in Josh that we will figure this out.  

 

I flipped back and forth from the Broncos and Bills games yesterday.  I have ZERO qualms with Josh Allen.  Russel Wilson and Ryan Tannehill as exhibits A and B.  Yuck. 

 

Some Bills fans have lost their minds. 

[Bing Bong]

1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

That would be an interesting debate lol mathematically I am definitely not sure though admittedly.  I remember when it ended up looking clear minny recovered praying it was a td 😁

As far as the -90% win probability swing on what is the most conservative playcall in that situation, it's apparently the worst offensive play ever, since they started recording win probability in 2007. 

 

Obviously not accounting for the magnitude of the game. That is interesting though, I think I'd agree no TD could even have been a worse outcome.

 

I saw somewhere had we called 3 passing plays just to take seconds off, then kneel for a safety, it could have led to better odds. I'm not sure i agree but i found it interesting. 

[Jauronimo]

19 minutes ago, B-Large said:

 

I flipped back and forth from the Broncos and Bills games yesterday.  I have ZERO qualms with Josh Allen.  Russel Wilson and Ryan Tannehill as exhibits A and B.  Yuck. 

 

Some Bills fans have lost their minds. 

But which ones?  I haven't seen any Bills fans actually turning on Allen.

[Buddo]

I think the biggest problem currently, is that we live and die by Allen. And he's feeling that.

 

The defense isn't that bad, but we win on offense. Except when we don't, recently.

 

There was one instance of a failed 'prevent' D that I saw from the Bills, but conversely, I saw more instances of that from Minny that failed. We are not alone.

 

Allen needs to be given better help, mostly from the run game. Play calling needs to improve also. Too many first down runs called, that Minny had little trouble with.

 

Allen also needs to wrap his head around his situational awareness better too. Any interception that occurs on any down other than 3rd or 4th, should be unacceptable, unless it's the result of the receivers hands.

 

The first of Peterson's interceptions, I think was just a great play by him. He also only caught it at the 2nd attempt.

 

One of the most baffling aspects of the game to me, was the fact that until Allen threw the awful interception at the end of OT, he had executed the FG drive to tie, perfectly, and had also pretty much marched straight back down the field with no problem, until the int.

[Mango]

11 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

No dude, the game was over when our defense gave up 4th and 18 at the 2 minute warning.  Granted they got two consecutive 4th down stops at the 1 yard line and would get the ball back 1 minute and 20 seconds later but by that point the damage had been done.  0 points had been scored and Minnesota was a lock to win by a 4 point deficit.  Our offense was asked to hold on to the football and execute a center-QB exchange, a nearly impossible task with the game on the line.

 

Doood. If you would shut up and ignore the turnovers, points off turnover, and 3 and outs, you will see that it is the defenses fault for not allowing points. 

 

I am actually tempted to blame the sequence of events on the 3rd down and failed 4th down conversion. It was the turning point in the entire game. I disliked the throw on 4th, was against the call/wanted points, but absolutely hated the fact that we didn't run the ball on 3rd down if we were going to go for it on 4th. 

Not a single receiver on that 3rd down played the sticks. It was all out TD. I have been critical of Allen for having guys open and choosing to take a shot at a homerun. This was not one of those times. Unsure if this one was on Dorsey or McKenzie. It looks like McKenzie could have (should have?) run his route shallow. There was nobody there, but McK cut it up field to the end zone instead of across. It would have been an easy 1st. 

On 4th it looks like Gabe runs 3 yards and curls back to Allen and waits for a split second. A quick ball and it is a first. No YAC but a first. After he curls, he cuts across the face of the LB towards Diggs to his right who is doing the same, but instead of curling Diggs just cuts across the face of the LB. Allen hesitates again with the throw to Diggs and misses the opportunity. I have to assume that with both Diggs and Davis being covered by LB's and running routes a yard past the sticks, this is the play design. But Allen hesitates and leaves the pocket, throws the interception. Allen had a narrow window, but I think it was within the initial design of the play. It doesn't get any better than WR1 and 2 having a chance to make a play in front of the sticks. We've seen this offense execute these type of plays before.

 

Worth noting a quick dump off to Duke is also likely a first. Duke is outside or at the numbers on the 10, turned up field and looking back at Josh while the nearest defender is at the 2.

 

That throw to the endzone never had a chance

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

17 minutes ago, Bing Bong said:

As far as the -90% win probability swing on what is the most conservative playcall in that situation, it's apparently the worst offensive play ever, since they started recording win probability in 2007. 

 

Obviously not accounting for the magnitude of the game. That is interesting though, I think I'd agree no TD could even have been a worse outcome.

 

I saw somewhere had we called 3 passing plays just to take seconds off, then kneel for a safety, it could have led to better odds. I'm not sure i agree but i found it interesting. 

That’s interesting…I’d call a sneak losing a half yard wildly improbable.  And if they lost almost a half yard on the first sneak they’d obviously not try two in a row.  
 

if you’re forced to run 3 pass plays you’d think the odds of something going wrong would increase because there’s an extra play in there. 

[BananaB]

2 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

He absolutely should’ve taken a safer option but I’ve watched the play 400 times now and Davis had a step in single coverage and that is a straight up routine play against man coverage that 95/100 times ends in a td or incompletion out the back of the end zone.

If Davis runs a better route there he’s wide open.   
 

The decision wasn’t as bad as it looked from the broadcast angle but the throw itself missed its target badly.  The panic in Harrison smith is kind of funny/sad to watch…the Vikings got outschemed badly on that play.  He thought he’d turn around and Davis would be wide open with the ball in his hands and did this last second desperation dive to break it up after he took the inside receiver and the ball was going to the outside receiver

 

 Caught them with their pants down and shot ourselves in the foot with the execution  

I said it all day, if Davis cuts in instead of up that’s an easy catch at around the 2 yard line. That’s how I see it. Allen has targeted Diggs the most all season and you rarely ever see a miscommunication between the two. Between Davis and Allen there seems to be a play every week that just makes you shake your head. Allen will never point fingers and he’ll put all the blame on his shoulders,  so I guess we’ll never really know for sure. A lot of ***** factored into yesterdays loss, but when it comes down to one play that’s all most people focus on

Edited November 14, 2022 by BananaB

[BillyBilliams]

15 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

The first INT was a 4th down call that was DOA no one was open and he had nowhere to go.  So he tried to make a play.  
 

The sneak fumble is a coaching disaster.  
 

The last play I’m also putting on coaches for not calling your best Josh Allen run play - they decide to send 3 WRs to the end zone.  
 

What we’re seeing unfortunately is the defensive head coach has lost the OC we had success with replaced by an OC that is getting out coached and play called for 3 straight 2nd halfs.  
 

We’re not at Tony Dungy needs to be replaced by an offensive HC yet.  But that’s the trend this could get to real quick.  
 

The soul crushing losses are just unacceptable.  The fans don’t deserve any more of this ***t

 

The last play, Singletary was wide open on his right side on the flat.  He had about 10 yards of daylight.  If he checks down, the Bills have it 1st and G.  While I agree with you that it's stupid to have 3 WR's deep in the end zone there, he did have a safety relief and he didn't take it.

[4merper4mer]

6 minutes ago, BananaB said:

I said it all day, if Davis cuts in instead of up that’s an easy catch at around the 2 yard line. That’s how I see it. Allen has targeted Diggs the most all season and you rarely ever see a miscommunication between the two. Between Davis and Allen there seems to be a play every week that just makes you shake your head. Allen will never point fingers and he’ll put all the blame on his shoulders,  so I guess we’ll never really know for sure. A lot of ***** factored into yesterdays loss, but when it comes down to one play that’s all most people focus on

Mrs. Allen, make no mistake, everyone loves your son and very few would trade him for anything.  But you sound like Giselle when you blame a receiver for a ball he should have never thrown,  Do you blame the center too?  I’ll give you this, you’re the Nadia Comenici of mental gymnastics.  Perfect 10.

[nedboy7]

Some of the fans define their identity by attacking the staff or players each week.  Nothing new here. 

[Realist]

I have no problem with Allen, obviously he has to stop the boneheaded mistakes and thinking he can throw the ball anywhere and it will be caught. But if Allen was out and Keenum had to start we would have gotten killed. Pretty sure the defense wasn't going to show up just because we were forced to play Keenum.