The defense sucked....again

[Nihilarian]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

 

This is not true at all.

Oliver was banging on him all game and he also got tagged multiple times by several other defenders.

AJ Epenesa got a QB hit + a sack.

Boogie Basham got a QB hit + a sack.

Von Miller 2 QB hits + a sack.

Shaq Lawson got 2 QB hits. 05 sack.

Ed Oliver got 4 QB hits .5 sack. 

 

10 QB hits, 4 sacks

[HoofHearted]

8 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

so why did we get gashed in the running game AGAIN in the second half.  

 

you are not taught to play the hands.  that is a clear way to get a PI at best unless extremely lucky.  Turn around, play the ball, and any contact is permitted.  What Jackson did was faceguarding. 

A missed tackle, but that’s not something that you can adjust in-game like I said. It’s taught over a period of time.

 

I don’t know how to make it any more clear to you that if a DB is out of phase with a receiver they are taught to play through the receivers hands. If you don’t want to agree with me then that’s fine, but that’s literally what they are taught.

 

Also faceguarding is not a thing.

[RyanC883]

1 minute ago, HoofHearted said:

A missed tackle, but that’s not something that you can adjust in-game like I said. It’s taught over a period of time.

 

I don’t know how to make it any more clear to you that if a DB is out of phase with a receiver they are taught to play through the receivers hands. If you don’t want to agree with me then that’s fine, but that’s literally what they are taught.

 

Also faceguarding is not a thing.

 

 

 

faceguarding IS a thing.   Required contact (becomes PI above HS).  

 

https://blogs.usafootball.com/blog/691/ask-the-official-face-guarding-in-itself-is-illegal-only-within-high-school-rules

 

Jackson was not out if phase.  He simply had poor technique.  

[HoofHearted]

3 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

 

 

faceguarding IS a thing.   Required contact (becomes PI above HS).  

 

https://blogs.usafootball.com/blog/691/ask-the-official-face-guarding-in-itself-is-illegal-only-within-high-school-rules

 

Jackson was not out if phase.  He simply had poor technique.  

Come on man… people are that lazy?

 

”Many people mistakenly called this face guarding, but there is no rule against face guarding in the NFL. The defender doesn't really have to turn and look for the ball as long as he doesn't forcibly contact the receiver.”

 

it’s the first thing that pops up if you Google it…

 

and he was out of phase - this conversation is pointless though.

[RyanC883]

Just now, HoofHearted said:

Come on man… people are that lazy?

 

”Many people mistakenly called this face guarding, but there is no rule against face guarding in the NFL. The defender doesn't really have to turn and look for the ball as long as he doesn't forcibly contact the receiver.”

 

it’s the first thing that pops up if you Google it…

 

and he was out of phase - this conversation is pointless though.

 

I said there was no rule against it, and that it requires contact in the NFL.  Actually read what I wrote.  He had poor positioning and was in phase. Period.  He needed to turn his head, and he had a play on the ball.  Instead, TD.  

[HoofHearted]

9 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I said there was no rule against it, and that it requires contact in the NFL.  Actually read what I wrote.  He had poor positioning and was in phase. Period.  He needed to turn his head, and he had a play on the ball.  Instead, TD.  

Bro, he was behind the receiver!!! By definition this is out of phase! 🤣

Edited November 15, 2022 by HoofHearted

[MPT]

On 11/14/2022 at 7:44 AM, Mr. WEO said:

 

Nah, Tre's not taking that ball away from Jefferson.

 

there was never a point where there were not 3 hands on the ball.  Jefferson in front of Lewis had position to pull it away.  It would have been a n insane INT if Lewis came down with it.

 

It wouldn't have been an "insane" INT. The ball was thrown right to him. He had two hands on the ball all the way to the ground and Jefferson pulled it away with one hand. If anything, he just helped Jefferson catch the ball. It would have been extremely easy to knock the ball away or pull it away from Jefferson. He didn't do either because he was more focused on the catch than the situation.

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, MPT said:

 

It wouldn't have been an "insane" INT. The ball was thrown right to him. He had two hands on the ball all the way to the ground and Jefferson pulled it away with one hand. If anything, he just helped Jefferson catch the ball. It would have been extremely easy to knock the ball away or pull it away from Jefferson. He didn't do either because he was more focused on the catch than the situation.

 

worse take yet.  congrats.

[MPT]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

worse take yet.  congrats.

 

It's not a take. That's just what happened. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, MPT said:

 

It's not a take. That's just what happened. 

 

the ball was thrown right to him, he had both hands on it the whole time, yet he couldn't make the catch because he was too focused on the catch.

 

ok

[MPT]

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

the ball was thrown right to him, he had both hands on it the whole time, yet he couldn't make the catch because he was too focused on the catch.

 

ok

 

Yes, he was too focused on making an interception and didn't either a) knock the ball down or b) realize Jefferson was making a play on the ball and secure it better.

 

He said himself in an interview that he thought the ball was over Jefferson's head and made a mistake.

Edited November 16, 2022 by MPT

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, MPT said:

 

Yes, he was too focused on making an interception and didn't either a) knock the ball down or b) realize Jefferson was making a play on the ball and secure it better.

 

there were never fewer than 3 hands on that ball the whole time.

 

You need a bigger TV

[MPT]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

there were never fewer than 3 hands on that ball the whole time.

 

You need a bigger TV

 

Yeah, that's what I've been saying. Lewis had two hands on it, Jefferson had one. If you can't read my posts then don't waste my time replying to them.

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, MPT said:

 

Yeah, that's what I've been saying. Lewis had two hands on it, Jefferson had one. If you can't read my posts then don't waste my time replying to them.

 

'you said it would have been an extremely easy INT.  no chance that's true

[Eastport bills]

Does anyone deny Edmunds importance to this flawed defense. With his influence on the run and underneath passing game coupled with Milano, we will be competitive. The secondary must improve and get solid coaching. 

[MPT]

13 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

'you said it would have been an extremely easy INT.  no chance that's true

 

Look, I'm sorry you can't read but please stop. Lewis made a mistake. End of story.

[Billever76]

On 11/13/2022 at 9:37 PM, SirAndrew said:

The 80 yard touchdown run was inexcusable. You can’t give up that type of play on the ground with a lead. If the opponent is going to run, at least make them use up some clock. The defense is quite depleted, but we constantly give up big runs. It reminded me of the long run Taylor had for the Colts when we got crushed at home last season. Being dominated by the run and giving up long runs has been a theme, regardless of who’s on the field. That’s a scheme/coaching issue imo. 

Or the long run by the pats rb in the wind game that sealed the deal....or the long Henry run against titans that pretty much sealed the deal....but wait there is more...Houston wildcard game ot loss....hail murray......13 seconds and now the sneak......ladies and gents we have a coaching problem...problem is we can't just fix that...I hope and pray they prove me wrong but 2020 afccg was peak ceiling of this staff...now throw in a rookie oc ....I'd be highly surprised a first year OC wins the superbowl smh

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, MPT said:

 

Look, I'm sorry you can't read but please stop. Lewis made a mistake. End of story.

 

it's painful sometimes---reading can be a curse

[GreggTX]

I'll tell you what the hallmark of a good defense is since you're asking -- 2 probowl safeties, an all pro CB, 2 1st round picks from the last 2 years and another 1st rounder from 4 years ago. Again, what's the mystery?

[purple haze]

On 11/14/2022 at 6:16 AM, Billz4ever said:

Most of that is due to the fact Frazier rarely blitzes and seems to be fine with rushing 4 and not getting pressure.  Tells me he's scared to death of his secondary and thinks we need 7 in coverage every play.

Same D he’s run from the beginning of his and McD’s tenure.  The same D McD ran in Carolina.  It’s not fear; they believe in a 4 man rush with a rotation of D lineman.  You don’t have to like it but it is a defensive principal they believe in.