My hypothesis for 17's Int woes

[BillsBlue]

4 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Nothing to do with a single hit/play.

 

It all has to do with coaching, Dorseys/Josh's aggressive styles.  When they're on their A-game, few will be beat them. 

 

Problem is, being overly aggressive comes with risks.  It's a very fine line. 

 

Someone needs to take that 4th quarter game tying drive, and put it on replay for Josh's. Showing him its OK to checkdown the ball.

I like this take and if it isn't a concussion etc this seems spot on

4 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

There was at least 5 plays Allen could have checked it down for positive yards

 

I think it's the expectations and fame thinking he has to be Superman every game 

 

The 4 red zone ints have been inexcusable though and not on the coaches. He looked like a rookie on them throws

Why can't 17 ever check it down. It's killing us and been a theme his whole career

He was taking the yac plays earlier this year or we were scheming them more/the short game was great, I dunno what happened to our bread and butter 7-12 yards passing plays that were indefensible 

[ILBillsfan]

I just think Josh is pressing too much and not playing settled comforatble football...... hate thining in high pressure situations he is failing but right now he is... the fumbles sneak the int in OT those are all high pressure situations..... I've seen him succeed in those but lately he hasn't and it could be something....

 

One thing for certain there is something wrong there imo

[BillsBlue]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

To compare josh to Trent is ******* ludicrous 

 

and I’ve been drinking to cope so ima sorry If i tagged somebody wrong

 

go bills

Take a sip for me but really what I'm comparing is the level of immediate regression 

[Mango]

2 minutes ago, BillsBlue said:

I guess you might be onto something the way he closed the year out was unreal, I think he's missing beez too

I hadn’t gotten the all 22 this year until this week. The Bills were rolling and I just wanted to enjoy the season. But I re-upped this week. 
 

Saying we’re missing Beasley operates under the assumption that nobody is running crossers, slants, or anything quick/shallow. And that’s just not the case. There are guys he’s around and open and he isn’t even looking. Or he looks and throws over their head to the tough throw behind him for 20 rather pick up 6 and play the sticks. 

[Bongo]

My hypothesis

 

 

 

 

[Brandon]

There's nothing wrong with him except that he's pressing because the team expects him to be the answer to everything on offense.  He's putting too much pressure on himself and forcing throws.

[BillsBlue]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

I hadn’t gotten the all 22 this year until this week. The Bills were rolling and I just wanted to enjoy the season. But I re-upped this week. 
 

Saying we’re missing Beasley operates under the assumption that nobody is running crossers, slants, or anything quick/shallow. And that’s just not the case. There are guys he’s around and open and he isn’t even looking. Or he looks and throws over their head to the tough throw behind him for 20 rather pick up 6 and play the sticks. 

Maybe 13 seconds put too much of a chip on his shoulder and made him greedy??

[UKBillFan]

9 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

There was at least 5 plays Allen could have checked it down for positive yards

 

I think it's the expectations and fame thinking he has to be Superman every game 

 

The 4 red zone ints have been inexcusable though and not on the coaches. He looked like a rookie on them throws

Why can't 17 ever check it down. It's killing us and been a theme his whole career

 

Didn't he check it down in the final series of regulation time? Then, when in excellent position with a check down in overtime he throws another inexplicable interception.

[BillsBlue]

Just now, Brandon said:

There's nothing wrong with him except that he's pressing because the team expects him to be the answer to everything on offense.  He's putting too much pressure on himself and forcing throws.

I dunno he just seems like a different player the last couple games, it's just been dramatic

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, BillsBlue said:

Take a sip for me but really what I'm comparing is the level of immediate regression 

I’ve drank a bottle of whiskey and im upset 😭 

[BillsBlue]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

I’ve drank a bottle of whiskey and im upset 😭 

Eat some food and drink some water bro and take a deep breath...Josh will figure it out somethings just not right 

[Mango]

2 minutes ago, BillsBlue said:

Maybe 13 seconds put too much of a chip on his shoulder and made him greedy??

I think he’s played dominant and we’ve been dominant, so he just grips too tight to “be dominant”. Then when that doesn’t go well, he presses harder to get that game, drive, play, etc. back. We’re just in a vicious circle we have to get out of.

 

Glad this is happening now rather than December or January. 

[Brandon]

17 minutes ago, BillsBlue said:

I dunno he just seems like a different player the last couple games, it's just been dramatic

 

He had around 400 total yards and played well most of the game.

 

He reminds me of early career Brett Favre right now. He's trying to do too much.  Sometimes it works out,  sometimes it doesn't. 

Edited November 13, 2022 by Brandon

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, BillsBlue said:

Eat some food and drink some water bro and take a deep breath...Josh will figure it out somethings just not right 

I agree 🤘🤘it’s just 2000 years of German genetics that tick my drinking when stressed 

 

I am not worried long term .. it’s just a nervous habit 

[chongli]

42 minutes ago, BillsBlue said:

 [snip]

 

Didn't read your post, so I won't comment on that, but thank you for not using "theory". 👍

[BullBuchanan]

40 minutes ago, BillsBlue said:

Something just isn't right with our #17 our boy Blue. To me it all started after the play during the  Green Bay game where Josh tries to run the ball in the end zone down the sideline and is met with a very large DT face mask to face mask. I think Josh has been playing with a concussion since that hit and there was a hit in the jets game where Josh was on his hands and knees shaking his head side to side as well where he seemed to have had his bell rung. Flame away but this isn't how JA17 plays, somethings seriously not right and it reminds me of Trent Edward's after the Wilson hit and I'm scared...........

What are you talking about? This is how Josh has always played. The difference is that in the past his "should be" INTs turn into Jaw dropping TDs. He's been a gun slinger his whole life and he's going through a stint where it isn't working our for him and you're asking him to be Chad Pennington.

The reason that he's throwing more INTs because we're throwing the entire outcome of the game on his shoulders every single week. You can't do that. Our defense makes a stop on 4th and 18 and that pick doesn't exist and we're talking about how JA is the best player in the NFL again.

[Malazan]

51 minutes ago, BillsBlue said:

Something just isn't right with our #17 our boy Blue. To me it all started after the play during the  Green Bay game where Josh tries to run the ball in the end zone down the sideline and is met with a very large DT face mask to face mask. I think Josh has been playing with a concussion since that hit and there was a hit in the jets game where Josh was on his hands and knees shaking his head side to side as well where he seemed to have had his bell rung. Flame away but this isn't how JA17 plays, somethings seriously not right and it reminds me of Trent Edward's after the Wilson hit and I'm scared...........

 

it's exactly how he played his first two years in the league. 

[BillsShredder83]

37 minutes ago, BillsBlue said:

He's smarter than throwing to the wrong team, he doesn't play like this, he hasnt forced throws since his sophomore season, somethings wrong with his processing or vision 

Concussion leaves you cloudy and indecisive, slow to react.... at a position that makes more on the fly decisions than any other position/sport.

 

Hes actually too good for these picks, or a mental lapse on a snap in his own EZ. 

 

All the symptoms are there. Embarassing as a fan base to hear how quick ppl are turning on a dude thats given us everything. Putting his brain on the line for us with a concussion he has to keep hush about, and ppl are saying "season is over" blah blah blah. 

 

Dont care if i get 100 downvotes. Be better. TWO GAMES ITS BEEN. TWO. Relax, everything will be fine. We found a nice rhythm till the 4th. Well take what we can from it, grow, and move on. Shame on some of you

[Billzgobowlin]

I think it's easier than you think.  My thought is the receiver wasn't in the right spot.  It looked to awkward not to be a timing route that the WR screwed up on.  My guess is they were supposed to be on the inside and didn't get to their spot

[Brandon]

12 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

I think it's easier than you think.  My thought is the receiver wasn't in the right spot.  It looked to awkward not to be a timing route that the WR screwed up on.  My guess is they were supposed to be on the inside and didn't get to their spot

 

I think there's a strong possibility that some of these bad plays are actually resulting from miscommunication between Allen and the receivers.