This coaching staff…

[Since1981]

Just now, Juice_32 said:

remind Allen to make the easy throws

Is he whispering between plays to our Josh? Is he giving Josh the same daboll reminders? One has to wonder how that qb whisperer comms plays on each play. 

[TheCockSportif]

I mean, just take the FG.  There were many other maddening aspects of this totally winnable game, but they would've won a stinker with that single and simple choice.

[phypon]

8 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

Coaching staff cant go out on the field and bat down the ball on 4th and 18.

 

Coaching staff can't go out on the field and stop the muffed snap.

 

Coaching staff cant tell Allen to take the play up the middle in OT rather than throwing behind Davis for the INT.

 

You can even go further, Coaching staff cant get Poyer/White/Elam/Hyde healthier.  They are working with 2 5th round CBs and a 7th rounder.

 

And the Bills have lost 3 games by a COMBINED 8 points.  In an alternate reality we are 9-0.  Its unfortunate, but this team is just making mistakes when it hurts the most.  And we havent been healthy since week 2.

Actually, that's the definition of coaching (with the exception of injuries).  You coach your player before the play to bat the ball down or double or triple the most threatening opposing player on the field for that important play.

 

You coach Allen to throw it out of the end zone unless he's 100% he's going to connect and not confused by anything or you design a play where the middle is not an option.

 

With the sneak, you re-iterate to your players how important this play is and get them completely focused.

 

Those are all instances of the importance of coaching.  That's what coaching is. 

[jkeerie]

Just now, BBills_88 said:

The lack of running game imagination is ridiculously bad. 

We had these same complaints last year about Daboll when we went through that bad streak mid season and sat at 7-6 before winning our last 4.  We are playing a much tougher schedule this year as well and we've had many more injuries to key players.   It sucks when we lose...especially when that loss could have just as easily been a win.  Still...as someone said earlier.  We've lost 3 games to 3 teams with winning records by a total of 8 pts.   One week at a time.

5 minutes ago, phypon said:

Actually, that's the definition of coaching (with the exception of injuries).  You coach your player before the play to bat the ball down or double or triple the most threatening opposing player on the field for that important play.

 

You coach Allen to throw it out of the end zone unless he's 100% he's going to connect and not confused by anything or you design a play where the middle is not an option.

 

With the sneak, you re-iterate to your players how important this play is and get them completely focused.

 

Those are all instances of the importance of coaching.  That's what coaching is. 

Correct.  And if the players don't do the correct thing is the coach or the player at fault?

[Cray51]

1 minute ago, phypon said:

Actually, that's the definition of coaching (with the exception of injuries).  You coach your player before the play to bat the ball down or double or triple the most threatening opposing player on the field for that important play.

 

You coach Allen to throw it out of the end zone unless he's 100% he's going to connect and not confused by anything or you design a play where the middle is not an option.

 

With the sneak, you re-iterate to your players how important this play is and get them completely focused.

 

Those are all instances of the importance of coaching.  That's what coaching is. 

Maybe in Peewee... But in the NFL, players have an expectation to make at least a semi-cognizant decision.  Its 4th and 18, your coach doesnt need to walk to every player saying "this is your role on this play". 

 

You dont think Mcd's preaching ball security in crucial situations during practice?  The Bills have done a fantastic job coaching Allen to what he is now, but Allen has been prone for years trying to play hero ball.  He deserves blame for his mistakes.

 

Morse is a quality center, but he and Allen absolutely did not execute at the goaline. That play is on the players.

 

Its naive to think the coaches dont coach general smart practices (ball security, bat down balls, take whats given to you).  But the players HAVE. TO. EXECUTE.  And they aren't

[BeastMaster]

2 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

We had these same complaints last year about Daboll when we went through that bad streak mid season and sat at 7-6 before winning our last 4.  We are playing a much tougher schedule this year as well and we've had many more injuries to key players.   It sucks when we lose...especially when that loss could have just as easily been a win.  Still...as someone said earlier.  We've lost 3 games to 3 teams with winning records by a total of 8 pts.   One week at a time.

Correct.  And if the players don't do the correct thing is the coach or the player at fault?

My answer would be if it is rare that they don't do the correct thing, then it's on the player.

 

If it happens on a more frequent basis...then I look at it as a reflection of the coach not doing his job

[Chaos]

1 minute ago, Cray51 said:

Maybe in Peewee... But in the NFL, players have an expectation to make at least a semi-cognizant decision.  Its 4th and 18, your coach doesnt need to walk to every player saying "this is your role on this play". 

 

You dont think Mcd's preaching ball security in crucial situations during practice?  The Bills have done a fantastic job coaching Allen to what he is now, but Allen has been prone for years trying to play hero ball.  He deserves blame for his mistakes.

 

Morse is a quality center, but he and Allen absolutely did not execute at the goaline. That play is on the players.

 

Its naive to think the coaches dont coach general smart practices (ball security, bat down balls, take whats given to you).  But the players HAVE. TO. EXECUTE.  And they aren't

That play should have been run out of the shot gun.  Allen can run for space, or throw it away and take a few seconds off the clock. two more times to take time off the clock, then take the safety.  

[Cray51]

1 minute ago, Chaos said:

That play should have been run out of the shot gun.  Allen can run for space, or throw it away and take a few seconds off the clock. two more times to take time off the clock, then take the safety.  

In hindsight yes, but that QB sneak has been 3-6 yards per in all situations this year

[jkeerie]

Just now, BeastMaster said:

My answer would be if it is rare that they don't do the correct thing, then it's on the player.

 

If it happens on a more frequent basis...then I look at it as a reflection of the coach not doing his job

That's fair.  Lewis did not knock the ball down.  He's a backup for a reason.  Josh's decisions and turnovers are concerning.  He seems to be pressing.

[SydneyBillsFan]

2 hours ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

 

Hines 1 catch 9 yds. 0 carries.

Shakir 1 catch 6 yds. 

That's it. They didn't contribute bc they weren't used. No idea why we got them or Cook, we don't use them. 

 

Everything is put on Josh every play w/ no help from the coaches or anyone not named Diggs. So he feels he has to do it all & he presses & makes mistakes. That regression is bc this "system" Dorsey has doesn't work. Need to start having others step up, but got to use them 1st. Dorsey has not been good enough.

 

 

It bothers me that, at the press conferences, the media never ask direct questions of the coaches as to why players who are making plays are being under-utilized. I mean, that John Wawrow guy sounds like he can't walk and chew gum at the same time.

[Peter]

28 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

Coaching staff cant go out on the field and bat down the ball on 4th and 18.

 

Coaching staff can't go out on the field and stop the muffed snap.

 

Coaching staff cant tell Allen to take the play up the middle in OT rather than throwing behind Davis for the INT.

 

You can even go further, Coaching staff cant get Poyer/White/Elam/Hyde healthier.  They are working with 2 5th round CBs and a 7th rounder.

 

And the Bills have lost 3 games by a COMBINED 8 points.  In an alternate reality we are 9-0.  Its unfortunate, but this team is just making mistakes when it hurts the most.  And we havent been healthy since week 2.

 

Coaching staff (read McCoach) could have decided to kick the field goal.

[Chaos]

5 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

In hindsight yes, but that QB sneak has been 3-6 yards per in all situations this year

It was not hindsight. It was a blunder to risk the turnover there. I said it before the play in shoutbox. Total coaching blunder 

 

 

[Roundybout]

2 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

Coaching staff (read McCoach) could have decided to kick the field goal.

 

Going for it was the right call. 

[BuffaloRebound]

9 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

Maybe in Peewee... But in the NFL, players have an expectation to make at least a semi-cognizant decision.  Its 4th and 18, your coach doesnt need to walk to every player saying "this is your role on this play". 

 

You dont think Mcd's preaching ball security in crucial situations during practice?  The Bills have done a fantastic job coaching Allen to what he is now, but Allen has been prone for years trying to play hero ball.  He deserves blame for his mistakes.

 

Morse is a quality center, but he and Allen absolutely did not execute at the goaline. That play is on the players.

 

Its naive to think the coaches dont coach general smart practices (ball security, bat down balls, take whats given to you).  But the players HAVE. TO. EXECUTE.  And they aren't

You gotta admit, we are and have been horrible in situational football the past couple years.  You might not coach that exact situation in practice, but it’s definitely on the coaches to put guys on the field they trust to make the right plays.  

[Peter]

Just now, Roundybout said:

 

Going for it was the right call. 

 

Not for me and not at that time.

[WideNine]

23 minutes ago, Beast said:

I don’t disagree with your take. I just disagree with the regression term. I mean, Josh will turn the ball over now until the time he retires that will piss us off and point to when he was young. Favre also did a lot of that.

 

Regression to me is that he does not have what he has shown for the past two plus seasons. I all think we know he still has that. Heck, his first half showed that.

 

He’s just in a funk and I know you are right about Dorsey and McDermott. Time for them to point out to Allen that he is hurting the team with these decisions. Time for some tough love. I have no doubt Allen will get back on track if that happens. He needs a blunt talking to that he doesn’t have to make an eye popping play every time he drops back.

 

It's all good... and mostly semantics.

 

We are all in the same stinking boat right now with our team. Frustrated and just wanting them to stop beating themselves.

 

How many RZ turnovers will it take before Allen stops making the same mistakes.

 

Roll to the right, not see defenders and throwing the pick. Teams have figured out our scramble drills in the RZ and have them well covered.

 

It's maddening.

 

And that QB sneak play in our own EZ WTF?

 

Even taking a safety would have been better. Anything but giving up a TD.

 

That is on the coaching staff. Just the dumbest play calling.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BuffaloRebound]

1 minute ago, Roundybout said:

 

Going for it was the right call. 

Yep.  The problem was not running it with Josh 3 times when you got to the 5 on 2nd and 2.  

[PayDaBill$]

2 hours ago, Beast said:

He hasn’t “regressed”. That’s stupid talk. You don’t regress from one week to the next. Did he look like he regressed in the first half of today’s game?

 

What he has done is hit a rough patch and apparently doesn’t have the ***** coaching staff that will reign him in and let him know the easy pass is sometimes the best pass.

 

He’s just been too reckless with the ball the last 10 plus quarters.

That’s all pretty much the definition of regression.

[Success]

Quite a few hot takes on this thread.

 

But the game does seem to big for this staff sometimes. And when things start to become a pattern (consistently losing games like this, consistently giving up plays like the 4th & 18), it's concerning.

 

Right now, it's just 2 bad games. Let's see how they respond.  If we go on a run here, I can forgive some clueless moments.  But if we're just middlin' over the next month or so, the concern is real.

 

[Bangarang]

Offense lacks creativity and makes things look so difficult on a weekly basis. Dorsey just isn’t it.