SoCal Deek Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: That and the major idea to actually tax extreme wealth - at least close massive loop holes. I also think he's a genuinely decent human. As we've seen so often, character and integrity matter. It’s interesting. No matter how much money I’ve made in my life I’ve never cared one bit what anyone else is paying in taxes. I never give it a moment’s thought. I don’t see what difference it makes to me. But to each his own. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: It’s interesting. No matter how much money I’ve made in my life I’ve never cared one bit what anyone else is paying in taxes. I never give it a moment’s thought. I don’t see what difference it makes to me. But to each his own. haven't been round here long enough but you probably shouldn't complain about the deficit then. I believe in fairness. Definitions of that word may differ but clearly the tax code is currently and inherently unfair. hell trump gave me a decent chunk in tax breaks and I still hate his guts. maybe even more than before I got extra cash. Edited January 7, 2023 by redtail hawk
SoCal Deek Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: haven't been round here long enough but you probably shouldn't complain about the deficit then. I believe in fairness. Definitions of that word may differ but clearly the tax code is currently and inherently unfair. hell trump gave me a decent chunk in tax breaks and I still hate his guts. maybe even more than before I got extra cash. We don’t have a taxation problem. We have a spending problem. The government takes in trillions of dollars each year and yet has managed to outspend that income every year regardless of which party is in control. Having Bills Gates pay more isn’t going to cure that condition and even if he does, it’ll have zero impact on your life. 2 1 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: We don’t have a taxation problem. We have a spending problem. The government takes in trillions of dollars each year and yet has managed to outspend that income every year regardless of which party is in control. Having Bills Gates pay more isn’t going to cure that condition and even if he does, it’ll have zero impact on your life. it will impact it and historically has. We'd have lost WW2 without massive tax increases. Congress' primary job is to control the purse as prescribed by the founders. It's vitally important and they understood that. Does principle mean nothing to you? the concept of fairness? Edited January 7, 2023 by redtail hawk
SoCal Deek Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: it will impact it and historically has. We'd have lost WW2 without massive tax increases. Congress' primary job is to control the purse as prescribed by the founders. It's vitally important and they understood that. Does principle mean nothing to you? the concept of fairness? What? WWII? Fairness? Give me a break. Trust me…I pay way more in taxes than the vast majority of people. If you’d like to propose a flat tax on ALL income, count me in! 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Buffarukus said: whatever the reason the dnc felt its not their place to flat out subvert the peoples choice. giving hillary debate questions and handicapping his campaign is flat out election manipulation that the left ignored..yet scream about. they are telling dems they know what's best for them which is pretty psychotic in a age that has people up in arms about every vote matters and attacks on democracy. let alone the dems activley working to take valid runners from the green party or funding maga candidates campaigns then talking about how they are so dangerous. you dont want bernie talk to him and have him bow out instead of using some pretty corrupt tactics to sabotage him. at the very least trump proved the republicans run with who wins in the primaries. they are also now proving if they run they will go against their own machine. id say that's integrity some call it the biggest threat our nation has ever seen. Progressive idealists talk a good game but they're phonies that are afraid of the uncertainty and risk that true democracy carries with it. They're comfortable with authoritarian rule as long as they "feel" good about it. They think debate and disagreement is equivalent to terrorism. Their social justice agenda is a frivolity enabled by good times led by people with no real problems of their own and hands in somebody else's pocket picking up the tab. That's not to excuse the "Right" either. They also talk a good game but when it comes to the moment of truth, they fail to deliver time and again. Let's just say my expectations for the "new" House are pretty low. Most likely they'll deliver nothing. And when it comes to war spending there's no line or division between these left and right segments. They're all in on it. My problem is the government is simply sucking the life out of the country. It's too big and intrusive. And what have they done lately? Say, 30 years ago a couple could raise a family on an average salary with one person needing to work. Today, both have to work just to break even. Along with the Fed they've systematically destroyed the value of the dollar. Our money is trending toward worthless. That's progress? You could go to college or send your kids without having to mortgage your home or commit your retirement funds or take out huge loans that burden borrowers for years. We've got all kinds of technology and science but now a trip to the hospital can be followed by a trip to bankruptcy. Taxes are way too high sucking 40, maybe 60 percent of some people's earnings. Huge government spending has sucked the life out of the American middle and working classes. All this is what, progress? But hey, on your way to the poorhouse and living in the streets you can rest at ease that you'll be addressed with your preferred pronouns. Edited January 7, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills 1 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: What? WWII? Fairness? Give me a break. Trust me…I pay way more in taxes than the vast majority of people. If you’d like to propose a flat tax on ALL income, count me in! flat tax is inherently unfair. I have paid plenty of tax and maxed out social security eligible benefits years ago. So what? Not sure what u don't understand about WW2. Taxes were higher than ever due to the cost of the war. And people sacrificed both blood and treasure mostly without complaint. it actually would have been much less costly if we engaged there nazi's immediately. kinda like we're doing with the Russians in Ukraine now. Edited January 7, 2023 by redtail hawk 1
SoCal Deek Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 Just now, redtail hawk said: flat tax is inherently unfair. I have paid plenty of tax and maxed out social security benefits years ago. So what? Not sure what u don't understand about WW2. Taxes were higher than ever due to the cost of the war. And people sacrificed both blood and treasure mostly without complaint. We have a vastly different definition of fairness. When I’m paying close to 50% of my income in taxes…I’m gonna say that’s more than enough. (This is not 1942)
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: We have a vastly different definition of fairness. When I’m paying close to 50% of my income in taxes…I’m gonna say that’s more than enough. (This is not 1942) yes we do. https://www.yahoo.com/video/handle-94-tax-rate-18-150000008.html. how much in your taxes is a soldiers life worth in iraq or Afghanistan. Should monetize that? Edited January 7, 2023 by redtail hawk
SoCal Deek Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 1 minute ago, redtail hawk said: yes we do. https://www.yahoo.com/video/handle-94-tax-rate-18-150000008.html You do realize that you’re more than welcome to send in more money each year, right? You go first! 😉 1 1
Roundybout Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: You do realize that you’re more than welcome to send in more money each year, right? You go first! 😉 Corporations and the wealthy paid a lot more back in the “good old days” that everyone misses. of course, a land value tax and a carbon tax would go a lot farther, but that’s a discussion for another day … 2
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: You do realize that you’re more than welcome to send in more money each year, right? You go first! 😉 I pay what I owe as determined by our gov't. So apparently did Donald Trump but I paid a much higher percentage of my income than him. I suspect you did as well. If that doesn't bother you then fine. Perhaps YOU can pay his share of the cost of running the country. And then the 50% of Americans that pay no federal tax are the ones yelling "socialism" at the top of their lungs. Maybe they should shut up since they have no skin in the game...oh, and yell "No socialized medicine" while simultaneously yelling "don't touch my medicare/medicaid." I've actually heard this many times. Most were Trump supporters. Go figure... Edited January 7, 2023 by redtail hawk 1 1
SoCal Deek Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 7 minutes ago, redtail hawk said: I pay what I owe as determined by our gov't. So apparently did Donald Trump but I paid a much higher percentage of my income then him. I suspect you did as well. If that doesn't bother you then fine. Perhaps YOU can pay his share of the cost of running the country. And then the 50% oof Americans that pay no federal tax are the ones yelling "socialism" at the top of their lungs. Maybe they should shut up since they have no skin in the game Everybody is paying the least amount possible. Seems fair enough to me. I have no idea what Trump has do with any of this. He didn’t write the tax code. Seems to me a better target for your ire would be Ms Pelosi and/or Mr Biden….no? 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Everybody is paying the least amount possible. Seems fair enough to me. I have no idea what Trump has do with any of this. He didn’t write the tax code. Seems to me a better target for your ire would be Ms Pelosi and/or Mr Biden….no? He actually made it worse. And I benefitted. So there's that. 'm guessing "ethics" wasn't on the top of your college course list. Edited January 7, 2023 by redtail hawk
B-Man Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 LOL. And (of course) he gets his first demand. Zelenskyy congratulates Kevin McCarthy & is counting on ‘further assistance’ https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2023/01/07/zelenskyy-congratulates-kevin-mccarthy-is-counting-on-further-assistance/
Roundybout Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 16 minutes ago, B-Man said: LOL. And (of course) he gets his first demand. Zelenskyy congratulates Kevin McCarthy & is counting on ‘further assistance’ https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2023/01/07/zelenskyy-congratulates-kevin-mccarthy-is-counting-on-further-assistance/ What’s wrong with this?
Buffarukus Posted January 7, 2023 Posted January 7, 2023 1 hour ago, redtail hawk said: yes we do. https://www.yahoo.com/video/handle-94-tax-rate-18-150000008.html. how much in your taxes is a soldiers life worth in iraq or Afghanistan. Should monetize that? your comparing ww2 with a war that was based on pure lies and one we were in for decades for no apparent reason? its interesting how it equates to "soldiers lives" when the american taxpayer has zero say in why or how long they are put at risk.
Tiberius Posted January 7, 2023 Author Posted January 7, 2023 52 minutes ago, B-Man said: LOL. And (of course) he gets his first demand. Zelenskyy congratulates Kevin McCarthy & is counting on ‘further assistance’ https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2023/01/07/zelenskyy-congratulates-kevin-mccarthy-is-counting-on-further-assistance/ Will the GOP allow assistance to a country partly under Russian occupation? Or is this the break poor Putin has been waiting for and his murderous terrorism will get a much needed show of obstructivism from GOP leadership?
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