For the people asking what's taking White so long...

[Nelius]

Chris Sale and Zion Williamson would like a word. This isn't very long at all for a severe injury. I'd maybe raise an eyebrow if he's still out 5 weeks from now in an intense AFC race, and I'd really start to worry if he's questionable at all for the playoffs.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

I'm sure others here have torn an ACL.  Post surgery was the most painful thing I've yet endured.  Was skiing again a year later with a brace that I'll still use 20 years later.  He'll be ready when he is.

[Bronxbomber21]

4 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Not sure how you get in game shape other than getting out there on sundays.  Nobody’s asking him to play every snap.  Treat it like his pre-season.  Our secondary needs all the help it can get.  2 or 3 defensive series from White would be a nice jolt for the team.  

Has anyone else noticed when we lose we are always missing both starting safeties and both starting CBs and Malino. Our tackling goes out the window without Poyer & Malino. 

[LeGOATski]

3 hours ago, Bronxbomber21 said:

Has anyone else noticed when we lose we are always missing both starting safeties and both starting CBs and Malino. Our tackling goes out the window without Poyer & Malino. 

Milano has one of the worst missed tackle percentage on the defense; 7.5%, only better than Dane Jackson, Kair Elam, and Daquan Jones. They miss Matt Milano, but not because of his tackling.

[ProcessTruster]

11 hours ago, Might Rather said:

I think it's just the way this staff rolls... with caution and not rushing guys back. They care about their guys and the future.

I want him back for the last 4 regular season games.  a full year out of the game.  that's the typical timelime plus or minus .  and he probably won't be 100% until next season, if other cases are any guide.  all the history suggests that next season is when he will be back to himself.  If he gets back on the field this season, that's probably a bonus.   

[Buffalo_Stampede]

9 hours ago, Airseven said:

There was a setback, they’re not saying it, but there was a setback. He’ll be back Thanksgiving at earliest.

What do you even mean there was a setback? Like in his surgery? 
 

Look at the situation. They never showed panic at CB. Which I found surprising. All offseason. They let Wallace walk for a Siran Neal like deal.  They didn’t sign anyone. 

 

They draft a 1st and 6th round CB. Then camps start and the 6th rounder is outperforming the 1st rounder. Still no panic from the front office. They start the season with those guys rotating opposite Jackson.

 

The only time they signed a CB was when Jackson and Benford were hurt.

 

When exactly was the setback? In camp White was running and doing agility drills off to the side.

 

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

There wasn't any setback. ACL's take a long time to heal. My son at 29 had one and he still felt worried to cut on his knee well after 12 months. They're just being cautious which sucks for us fans as we need him back now. Oh well 2022 will go down as the injury season. 

[Warriorspikes51]

9 hours ago, Airseven said:

There was a setback, they’re not saying it, but there was a setback. He’ll be back Thanksgiving at earliest.

 

Oh really? And just how might you know that 

[Freddie's Dead]

Professional athletes are always rushed back to playing as quickly as possible, regardless of long-term consequences for their health.  I'm fine with Tre' sitting until he's 100% fully ready to go.   

[eball]

13 hours ago, Might Rather said:

I think it's just the way this staff rolls... with caution and not rushing guys back. They care about their guys and the future.

 

This is 100% true, and it makes a difference in attracting players to come here.  "They treat you like family" is not just idle chatter in this organization...

[Malazan]

14 hours ago, HardyBoy said:

Sarcasm?

 

Otherwise where have you been?!

 

Here.. so no idea where you're seeing these people asking this.. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

What if it is not the Bills holding him back and it is him?

He almost sat out because of Covid. He was slow to come back when he was injured and missed the Tennessee road game. That was the COVID Tuesday nonsense game. There was speculation he could have played but didn't want to because of the COVID issues the Titans were having.

We are speculating it is the team that is bringing him back slowly. What if he is not really committed to coming back? He has got his second contract signing bonus and he gets paid whether he plays or not.

The longer he goes without playing the weirder this situation gets. 

 

 

[Kwai San]

11 hours ago, Airseven said:

There was a setback, they’re not saying it, but there was a setback. He’ll be back Thanksgiving at earliest.

 

Who are you and HOW do you even know this?  Throwing ***** at a wall and seeing if it sticks isn't knowledge....it is idiocy.  Some background as to your knowledge of this would be appreciated.  Otherwise we will all know you don't know Jack.......

[Warriorspikes51]

11 hours ago, Airseven said:

There was a setback, they’re not saying it, but there was a setback. He’ll be back Thanksgiving at earliest.

NO THERE WAS NOT!!!! SAL JUST SAID MCD CONFIRMED THERE WAS NO SETBACK.     

[Thurman#1]

12 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Not sure how you get in game shape other than getting out there on sundays.  Nobody’s asking him to play every snap.  Treat it like his pre-season.  Our secondary needs all the help it can get.  2 or 3 defensive series from White would be a nice jolt for the team.  

 

 

You can get into game shape in practice. Not in walk-throughs, obviously, but in contact practices and drills. 

 

That's what training camp is for. 

 

And I'm a lot less worried about getting in game shape and a lot more worried about being fully recovered from the injury, completely rehabbed and having not just the injured tissues in great shape but the surrounding complementary and oppositional muscles tendons and ligaments all in equally good shape to reduce the risk of reinjury as much as reasonably possible.

[Mr. WEO]

17 hours ago, HardyBoy said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34997019/49ers-cb-jason-verrett-suffers-season-ending-achilles-injury

 

Edit2: Actually fully relevant. He tore his acl in 2016 and has had chronic significant knee and lower leg injuries ever since. Looks like the first knee injury turned into a secondary knee issue, which turned into an Achilles, which turned into another acl, which turned into this most recent Achilles. 
 

Edit: this poor dude must have something going on with his mechanics (like RGIII or Zion Williamson in the nba). Not sure it's the best comp fully in retrospect because of it to White, but gotta be careful rushing people back if they are showing muscle imbalance or not adequate muscle endurance, which again I'm not sure is the case here. This guy tore the knee Sept last year too, so before White by over 2 months: 

 

"The Achilles tear is the latest in a long list of significant injuries Verrett has suffered since entering the league as a first-round pick of the Chargers in the 2014 NFL draft. Before Verrett tore his right ACL on Sept. 12, 2021, he also had played just six games in a four-season span (2016-18 with the Chargers and 2019 with the Niners) because of a torn left ACL in 2016, persistent knee issues in 2017 and a torn right Achilles in 2018 that lingered into 2019."

 

how is a guy with recurrent ACL and achilles injuries "fully relevant" to Tre White's situation?

[TN Bills Fan]

12 hours ago, Airseven said:

There was a setback, they’re not saying it, but there was a setback. He’ll be back Thanksgiving at earliest.

Where did you get that from?

[Warriorspikes51]

4 minutes ago, TN Bills Fan said:

Where did you get that from?

From his imagination 

[HardyBoy]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

You can get into game shape in practice. Not in walk-throughs, obviously, but in contact practices and drills. 

 

That's what training camp is for. 

 

And I'm a lot less worried about getting in game shape and a lot more worried about being fully recovered from the injury, completely rehabbed and having not just the injured tissues in great shape but the surrounding complementary and oppositional muscles tendons and ligaments all in equally good shape to reduce the risk of reinjury as much as reasonably possible.

 

^ Literally the post above your's said it perfectly

 

21 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

how is a guy with recurrent ACL and achilles injuries "fully relevant" to Tre White's situation?

 

Because at one point the guy was only coming back from his first acl tear and looks like he screwed up the rehab sadly.

 

If the muscles are imbalanced strength wise or don't have sufficient endurance, including the little muscles, then that leads to secondary injuries. Basically the oppisite side muscle can't support the amount force being generated (usually the quad is stronger than the hamstring for example) and the force is then transfered to the ligaments and tendons and you get an Achilles tear or hamstring tears.

 

Look at rates of knee injuries in girls high school sports. Dwarfs those of boys. Has a bit to do with lower center of gravity I believe, but really it's because of muscle imbalance and the muscles not being as strong. 

 

You don't rush back from knee injuries, especially where there was a prolonged lack of physical activity not because of the ligament, but because of the muscles around it.

[Thurman#1]

5 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

 

^ Literally the post above your's said it perfectly

 

 

 

Yeah, it said something completely and entirely unrelated to my post you are replying to. Something I didn't refer to in any way. Whether it said it perfectly I'll leave to the judgment of others. 

 

But thanks for answering my post by referring unclearly (which post? the one just before me? What?) to something irrelevant to it.