Anybody see replay of Dion's holding penalty

[TheBrownBear]

17 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Looks like he tackled the guy.  If Dion was in such great position why not stay in front of him?  Pretty sure we would see it differently is Von was blowing past a guy and was form tackled.

Did you watch the video linked above?  Dawkins is in great position and when the defender tries to swim around him, Dawkins just pancakes him while finishing the block.  In no way, shape or form is that a hold.

[Breakout Squad]

2 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

 

The defender got laid out sideways. I don’t see holding but I begrudgingly can accept that a ref at game speed would see that and think it’s holding. It just sucks because Allen and Diggs made a great play. 

[mikemac2001]

2 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

Did you watch the video linked above?  Dawkins is in great position and when the defender tries to swim around him, Dawkins just pancakes him while finishing the block.  In no way, shape or form is that a hold.

To call the first hold on that play at that moment is a ***** joke - add in that INT that was stolen away is total BS 

[BUFFALOTONE]

Reminds me of the horrific call an umpire made last year against the Bengals in the Jets game. DB came up to stop the run made a great play to force a 4th down and the ref threw the flag for lowering his head… was a textbook tackle. The same ref has apparently made these bad calls in the past. Wonder if it’s the same

guy. 

[CEN-CAL17]

Also looks like the defenders feet may have been tripped up…. That’s a shiit call in that point of the game

[John from Riverside]

My problem is they were letting holding go all day long and then in the final minutes throw a flag on a very very iffee Call

 

Be consistent please refs

[Rigotz]

3 hours ago, freddyjj said:

Courtesy of Buffalo Rumblings, towards bottom of article

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2022/11/7/23444027/bills-jets-penalty-recap-gabe-davis-sauce-gardner-dion-dawkins

 

 

 

 

This is fantastic, for anyone who may have missed it. Fair call, not rigged.

[BananaB]

3 hours ago, What a Tuel said:

The fact that they didn't replay it on TV was a huge indication on how bad of a call it was.

I think the same thing happened in the Miami game on the last drive. 

[Jauronimo]

1 hour ago, TheBrownBear said:

Did you watch the video linked above?  Dawkins is in great position and when the defender tries to swim around him, Dawkins just pancakes him while finishing the block.  In no way, shape or form is that a hold.

Watched it.  Thats not a pancake block.  

 

Dion's hands are outside the pads.  He's being driven back into the pocket.  Dion is out of position at the 3 second mark since the defender has inside leverage and Dion's hips are now pointing toward the right tackle.  Dion is spinning inside and falls on the defender.  Thats going to get called more often than not. Watch it frame by frame.

Edited November 10, 2022 by Jauronimo

[BananaB]

3 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

I've never been one to point to one play that decides a game.  Take away the two bone-headed INTs and the Bills aren't worrying about a 4th Quarter comeback.

 

So two plays can decide games….  All plays matter, you can play ***** for 55 minutes and still win a game if the score is close.  The worst thing for football is the refs making bad calls that effect the game. Going from 1st and ten at the 49 to 1st and 20 at at your 15 is big, especially in the closing minutes when a team doesn’t have any timeouts. 

[BananaB]

3 hours ago, freddyjj said:

Courtesy of Buffalo Rumblings, towards bottom of article

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2022/11/7/23444027/bills-jets-penalty-recap-gabe-davis-sauce-gardner-dion-dawkins

 

 

 

Just watching this and Gardners hand looked open but he had the side of Gabes shoulder pads for sure. Gabe gave a little push off and is immediately pulled back in. It’s clear as day in that slow mo replay. Even when they circle the open hand on his back you can see his fingers curl around his shoulder pads. It’s like you see his fingers, then you don’t when he yanks him, then they open again. 

Edited November 10, 2022 by BananaB

[Simon]

19 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Watched it.  Thats not a pancake block.  

 

Dion's hands are outside the pads.  He's being driven back into the pocket.  Dion is out of position at the 3 second mark since the defender has inside leverage and Dion's hips are now pointing toward the right tackle.  Dion is spinning inside and falls on the defender.  Thats going to get called more often than not. Watch it frame by frame.

 

Yeah, I thought he was off balance and pulled him down with his right hand.

It wasn't a horrible penalty; he hid it very well, most refs aren't going to reach for non-egregious flags at that point in a game and they'd been letting them play all day.

It was just really ***** luck that probably not only ended up changing the outcome of the game, but led to Allen being injured shortly after. 

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

I'm not saying there aren't close games that are decided in the last minute/as time runs out.  I'm saying that there are 59 other minutes of football that had a say in the outcome, as well.

 

Every second of every game has a say in the outcome. This call was just as important to the Jets as the stolen interception. 

[BarleyNY]

JFC. People act like a call/non-call never goes in the Bills favor. I sure never see a thread about one when the Bills win. 

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

Watched it.  Thats not a pancake block.  

 

Dion's hands are outside the pads.  He's being driven back into the pocket.  Dion is out of position at the 3 second mark since the defender has inside leverage and Dion's hips are now pointing toward the right tackle.  Dion is spinning inside and falls on the defender.  Thats going to get called more often than not. Watch it frame by frame.

Agree 100 percent, and Dawkins got his arms outside on the takedown.

[AlfaBill]

So they decide to let them play All game but call a ticky tacky call on a big play at the end and then DONT call a easy DPI??  
 

that broke my 🏈 s more than anything!

Edited November 10, 2022 by AlfaBill

[Bermuda Triangle]

4 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

I've never been one to point to one play that decides a game.  Take away the two bone-headed INTs and the Bills aren't worrying about a 4th Quarter comeback.

 

so you're saying that two plays decided the game?

[Shaw66]

3 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Looks like he tackled the guy.  If Dion was in such great position why not stay in front of him?  Pretty sure we would see it differently is Von was blowing past a guy and was form tackled.

Yes that's what it looked like, and that's why can't complain too much.  But when you look at what happened you can see he didn't tackle him. He executed his block excellently and his man fell over.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

A different play but Dawkins with the clothesline.

 

 

[Freddie's Dead]

I just rewatched the play as a part of doing The Saffold Report.  The defender actually tripped over other OL and DL feet out there.  Dawkins only pancaked him because the guy tripped.  Compared to the holding the Jets #70 laid on DaQuan Jones at the point of attack on the Carter TD, this also should not have been called.  The refs cost us the game with this call, the non-INT, the non-call on blocking in the back on screen to Carter the play before the Carter TD, and the non-call on the holding on the Carter TD.  Just brutal reffing.