Election Week Malfunctions, Anomalies etc...

[BillsFanNC]

56 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Similar to Nevada, Arizona needs to look at its election laws before 2024 and make some changes. There is no reason mail-in ballots can’t be canvassed and prepped or even counted, before Election Day. 

 

It appears that there is a significant lack of civics education in this country leading to complete ignorance of how things actually work, and I commend you for continuing to remind us of that. 

 

Exhibit A of a propaganda lemming.

[ChiGoose]

10 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

Exhibit A of a propaganda lemming.

I appreciate you proving my prior point. Thank you!

[nedboy7]

On 11/8/2022 at 10:47 AM, LeviF said:

The DOJ has no right to oversee elections. 

Isn’t it strange that the same corrupt urban centers that stopped counting in the middle of the night when trump was leading are having issues again? What a coincidence!

https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/oversight-activities/voting-rights/

 

 

did you like 2000 mules btw?  That was entertaining 

Edited November 12, 2022 by nedboy7

[nedboy7]

33 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

Exhibit A of a propaganda lemming.

no I think that would be people who put out 2000 mules. LOL

Edited November 12, 2022 by nedboy7

[LeviF]

15 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/oversight-activities/voting-rights/

 

 

did you like 2000 mules btw?  That was entertaining 

What is required of the DOJ before they can assign federal observers to a polling place? And when did they certify these requirements to the state of Florida?

 

And I don’t know what that is and refuse to look it up. 

[ChiGoose]

The head of Maricopa County is a Republican but I guess he’s throwing the election to the Dems for… reasons?

 

Or could it be that uneducated people on the internet are jumping to conclusions because their ignorance and laziness prevents them from actually looking into the facts?

 

Here’s some helpful info:

 

How Maricopa County defeated election disinformation — for now

 

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PHOENIX — Maricopa County Chairman Bill Gates is the first to tell you he's in a bizarre position. 

The longtime Republican activist, who once even served as the Arizona state GOP's own election lawyer, is now the target of violent threats and other intimidation by far right extremists. 
 

"This isn't about partisan politics. It's not about conservative versus liberal. This is about truth versus lies," Gates told NPR.

 

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Arizona was one of the first states to implement mail-in and early voting in the 1990s, an effort then widely backed by Republicans. Now the party's hard right activists here and nationwide are claiming without evidence that that same process is vulnerable to fraud.

 

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More [issues] came on Election Day in the Phoenix area, when some voting machines were temporarily rejecting ballots due to what was later diagnosed as a printer problem

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The issue was resolved Tuesday afternoon and ended up affecting 17,000 ballots out of more than 1.6 million votes cast in Maricopa.

 

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"There are a lot of people out there that have decided to push those lies, push that misinformation in the direction of Maricopa County elections because it is [so] important and a true, if not the swing county in the country," Gates says.

 

He and other elections officials have been the consistent target of death threats since 2020, but he says he's not backing down.

 

"What really gives me energy are all these workers in here, the 3,000 workers who are out here just trying to do the right thing. They've chosen to work in election administration," he says. "It's so noble, and it is so under attack."

For what it’s worth, we had a somewhat similar issue here in Chicago. The sharpies tended to bleed through the ballot paper onto the back, which caused issues scanning them. My wife had to cure her ballot because of this. Took an extra 15 minutes but was otherwise not really an issue. 

[nedboy7]

15 minutes ago, LeviF said:

What is required of the DOJ before they can assign federal observers to a polling place? And when did they certify these requirements to the state of Florida?

 

And I don’t know what that is and refuse to look it up. 

 

Hard to believe you haven't heard of it.  You seem to spew the election fraud BS pretty strong.   Look it up.  It's all about the mules in the 2020 election.  You will love it.  It's your type of BS. 

On 11/8/2022 at 9:33 AM, BillsFanNC said:

The GOP said they learned their lesson and have an army of lawyers ready to combat these types of things in 2022.  This could be the first test of that today.  What is going on in AZ could be completely innocent.  Nobody knows right now.  The problem is that's happening in Maricopa county...... again.  

 

Is anyone prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt?  They certainly haven't earned it.

 

The same inept lawyers who couldnt win one case in 2020?  I like it!! 

[LeviF]

2 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

Hard to believe you haven't heard of it.  You seem to spew the election fraud BS pretty strong.   Look it up.  It's all about the mules in the 2020 election.  You will love it.  It's your type of BS. 

Some homework for you Ned, answer my original question (can’t because you don’t know anything about the voting rights act, its amendments, or the substantial federal court record that it’s generated) and also list the EU member nations where vote by mail is banned or heavily restricted and the reasoning why. 

[nedboy7]

15 minutes ago, LeviF said:

Some homework for you Ned, answer my original question (can’t because you don’t know anything about the voting rights act, its amendments, or the substantial federal court record that it’s generated) and also list the EU member nations where vote by mail is banned or heavily restricted and the reasoning why. 

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/why-the-justice-department-is-sending-monitors-to-ensure-voting-rights-in-24-states

 

Not good enough? 

Edited November 12, 2022 by nedboy7

[B-Man]

The battle over a 100% hand count in Arizona pulls back the mask

 

Some day, perhaps even sometime this year if we’re lucky, when election officials in Arizona finally find someone capable of mastering preschool mathematics and they finish counting their ballots, we may know the outcome of the 2022 midterm elections. But that day is not today, my friends. They are somehow still flummoxed by the task of gathering up hundreds of thousands of ballots and feeding them into machines of dubious efficacy. Meanwhile, a different set of election supervisors appears to be ready to move forward with a hand count of nearly all of the ballots. Those officials are facing threats from state Democrats, however. The liberals have gone to court and obtained an order to forbid any such action, though the ruling seems to defy the state’s election laws. But even under the ominous threat of criminal charges, the group of election “radicals” appears to be ready to start the count as early as this weekend

 

There is seemingly more being revealed here than any potential flaws in Arizona’s electoral process or voting machinery. Why would Democrats be so uniformly opposed to a hand count? What is the downside of doing it? When the “official” count as tallied by the machines is finished, they can release those results immediately. But even if it takes weeks to complete the hand count, those numbers could then be matched against the machine tally.

 

In what universe is that a bad thing? If the counts match up (or come within a reasonable margin of error that wouldn’t change the outcome), then all is right with the world and the confidence of the voters will be enhanced. If the numbers are grossly different, then a serious problem will have been exposed and corrective measures can be taken prior to the next election.

 

Even if it leads to the final result being changed, people will at least be able to walk away feeling that the election was fairly conducted and decided

 

https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2022/11/12/the-battle-over-a-100-hand-count-in-arizona-pulls-back-the-mask-n510334

 

 

[nedboy7]

 

8 minutes ago, B-Man said:

The battle over a 100% hand count in Arizona pulls back the mask

 

Some day, perhaps even sometime this year if we’re lucky, when election officials in Arizona finally find someone capable of mastering preschool mathematics and they finish counting their ballots, we may know the outcome of the 2022 midterm elections. But that day is not today, my friends. They are somehow still flummoxed by the task of gathering up hundreds of thousands of ballots and feeding them into machines of dubious efficacy. Meanwhile, a different set of election supervisors appears to be ready to move forward with a hand count of nearly all of the ballots. Those officials are facing threats from state Democrats, however. The liberals have gone to court and obtained an order to forbid any such action, though the ruling seems to defy the state’s election laws. But even under the ominous threat of criminal charges, the group of election “radicals” appears to be ready to start the count as early as this weekend

 

There is seemingly more being revealed here than any potential flaws in Arizona’s electoral process or voting machinery. Why would Democrats be so uniformly opposed to a hand count? What is the downside of doing it? When the “official” count as tallied by the machines is finished, they can release those results immediately. But even if it takes weeks to complete the hand count, those numbers could then be matched against the machine tally.

 

In what universe is that a bad thing? If the counts match up (or come within a reasonable margin of error that wouldn’t change the outcome), then all is right with the world and the confidence of the voters will be enhanced. If the numbers are grossly different, then a serious problem will have been exposed and corrective measures can be taken prior to the next election.

 

Even if it leads to the final result being changed, people will at least be able to walk away feeling that the election was fairly conducted and decided

 

https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2022/11/12/the-battle-over-a-100-hand-count-in-arizona-pulls-back-the-mask-n510334

 

 

 

 

What the research has found

Hand-counting ballots is a voting "solution" that, to those without familiarity with elections, may sound nice. The problem is that counting tactic has actually been found to be significantly less accurate, more expensive and more time-consuming than using tabulation equipment.

"Computers — which ballot scanners rely on — are very good at tedious, repetitive tasks. Humans are bad at them," wrote Charles Stewart III, who directs the MIT Election Data and Science Lab, in the Washington Post. "Counting votes is tedious and repetitive."

Stewart coauthored a study in 2018 that found ballot scanners to be more accurate than hand counts. The study focused on two statewide races with recounts in Wisconsin, where some localities do count ballots by hand and others count ballots using machines:

In Wisconsin's 2011 Supreme Court election recount, the hand-counted paper ballots differed from the recount by 0.28 percent while the difference for scanned paper ballots was 0.15 percent. In its 2016 recount of the presidential election, hand-counted paper ballots were off by 0.18 percent while scanned ballots were off by 0.13 percent.

In short, in both races, the ballots that were counted using scanners were closer to the recounted totals. A separate study from the early 2000s focused on New Hampshire and found the same thing.

"All the data shows it is less accurate to do a hand count," says Simon. "What you're really asking beleaguered and tired election judges to do at the end of a very long day is to not just do one hand count; if there are 30 contests on a ballot, you're asking them to do 30 individual and separate hand counts. And people are people. They get tired, they make mistakes. "

Moving back toward hand-counting ballots would also significantly increase costs for local election offices that are perennially under-resourced, says Jennifer Morrell, an elections consultant and former local voting administrator.

The staff size at almost every election office across the country would need to exponentially increase, and even then, hand-counting dozens of races on tens of millions of ballots would probably take weeks or months.

Considering many of the Republicans who are calling for hand counts are the same people who cast doubt on the 2020 election because results weren't finalized on election night, Morrell says it shows they haven't done their research.

"I just think they don't understand what that looks like and how much time that takes and what the process is to do it accurately and correctly," Morrell said. "Or they wouldn't be calling for that."

 

 

https://www.npr.org/2022/10/07/1126796538/voting-explainer-hand-counting-ballots-accuracy-cost

 

 

Edited November 12, 2022 by nedboy7

[gobills404]

On 11/8/2022 at 2:45 PM, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

                                                  

 

 

 

 

 

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[nedboy7]

22 minutes ago, LeviF said:

Some homework for you Ned, answer my original question (can’t because you don’t know anything about the voting rights act, its amendments, or the substantial federal court record that it’s generated) and also list the EU member nations where vote by mail is banned or heavily restricted and the reasoning why. 

 

Republicans made Arizona an early vote-by-mail innovator in 1991, enacting one of the first laws in the country permitting voters to send in a mail ballot early without an excuse. The state then doubled down, setting up a system in 2007 for voters who wanted to automatically and permanently get ballots in the mail.

The method has become widely popular in the state, with about 89% of Arizona voters casting ballots early, mostly by mail, in the 2020 general election. But now, some Republicans in the state are doggedly attempting to dismantle the system their party helped create.

 

Ask your own ***** party. 

[LeviF]

Just now, nedboy7 said:

 

Republicans made Arizona an early vote-by-mail innovator in 1991, enacting one of the first laws in the country permitting voters to send in a mail ballot early without an excuse. The state then doubled down, setting up a system in 2007 for voters who wanted to automatically and permanently get ballots in the mail.

The method has become widely popular in the state, with about 89% of Arizona voters casting ballots early, mostly by mail, in the 2020 general election. But now, some Republicans in the state are doggedly attempting to dismantle the system their party helped create.

 

Ask your own ***** party. 

lol, lmao

[nedboy7]

7 minutes ago, LeviF said:

lol, lmao

 

“No other advanced country conducts elections this way. Many European countries have instituted major restrictions on mail-in voting specifically because they recognize the nearly unlimited potential for fraud. Out of 42 European nations, all but two prohibit absentee ballots entirely for people who reside inside the country, or else they require those who need absentee ballots to show a very, very powerful ID.” (Trump)

 

Graeme Orr, an international elections expert at the TC Beirne School of Law of Australia’s University of Queensland, said in an email that the International IDEA report shows that Trump’s claim is “seriously misleading, and cherry picking data.”

“Currently, 14 countries in Europe provide in-country postal voting opportunities to voters,” Heinmaa said in an email. “In eight of these countries, all voters are eligible, and in six only voters in certain outlined categories may vote.”

Heinmaa’s report includes a helpful map that color-codes the countries, with dark green showing the countries with unrestricted mail-in voting. The United Kingdom, Germany, Switzerland and Spain are among the major countries that allow mail-in voting, but you can see that most countries do not. According to her report, other countries that have unrestricted voting include Iceland, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg and Poland. The report also has maps showing rules for early voting, mobile voting and proxy voting.

 

“The maps in the report show clearly more than two — and some very prominent Western European nations — have in-country postal voting,” Orr said. “Germany, the U.K. and Poland alone — three big E.U. democracies — allow any elector to vote by mail (albeit Poland may have extended this for covid periods). The countries that don’t, you will see, also invariably offer mobile voting (a.k.a. ‘visitor voting’) to ensure the frail, hospitalized, disabled etc. can vote. Some, like the U.K., have not just in-country postal voting but ‘proxy’ voting — a general right to send, say, a relative to vote on your behalf!”

 

Still laughing?  lol

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/12/04/trumps-assertion-that-only-two-european-nations-allow-mail-in-voting/

 

 

Edited November 12, 2022 by nedboy7

[LeviF]

10 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

“No other advanced country conducts elections this way. Many European countries have instituted major restrictions on mail-in voting specifically because they recognize the nearly unlimited potential for fraud. Out of 42 European nations, all but two prohibit absentee ballots entirely for people who reside inside the country, or else they require those who need absentee ballots to show a very, very powerful ID.” (Trump)

 

Graeme Orr, an international elections expert at the TC Beirne School of Law of Australia’s University of Queensland, said in an email that the International IDEA report shows that Trump’s claim is “seriously misleading, and cherry picking data.”

“Currently, 14 countries in Europe provide in-country postal voting opportunities to voters,” Heinmaa said in an email. “In eight of these countries, all voters are eligible, and in six only voters in certain outlined categories may vote.”

Heinmaa’s report includes a helpful map that color-codes the countries, with dark green showing the countries with unrestricted mail-in voting. The United Kingdom, Germany, Switzerland and Spain are among the major countries that allow mail-in voting, but you can see that most countries do not. According to her report, other countries that have unrestricted voting include Iceland, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg and Poland. The report also has maps showing rules for early voting, mobile voting and proxy voting.

 

“The maps in the report show clearly more than two — and some very prominent Western European nations — have in-country postal voting,” Orr said. “Germany, the U.K. and Poland alone — three big E.U. democracies — allow any elector to vote by mail (albeit Poland may have extended this for covid periods). The countries that don’t, you will see, also invariably offer mobile voting (a.k.a. ‘visitor voting’) to ensure the frail, hospitalized, disabled etc. can vote. Some, like the U.K., have not just in-country postal voting but ‘proxy’ voting — a general right to send, say, a relative to vote on your behalf!”

 

Still laughing?  lol

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/12/04/trumps-assertion-that-only-two-european-nations-allow-mail-in-voting/

 

 

Didn’t read your post. You can try this all you want but copy pasting links that don’t actually support your bad opinion isn’t going to impress me. I’m flattered though. 

[BillsFanNC]

 

[nedboy7]

22 minutes ago, LeviF said:

Didn’t read your post. You can try this all you want but copy pasting links that don’t actually support your bad opinion isn’t going to impress me. I’m flattered though. 

 

You are pathetic. 

[BillsFanNC]

 

 

[ChiGoose]

16 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

 

This is how you know someone is a bad faith actor. We know there was absolutely no issue with the AZ tabulation machines. The printers were not properly calibrated. This was quickly fixed and voters were able to cure their ballots so they could be tabulated. 
 

The myth has been fully debunked but bad faith actors push the narrative that there was an issue the tabulation machines because they know gullible people will react emotionally and believe it.