THE ROCKPILE REVIEW - Damn This Curse!

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19 minutes ago, CSBill said:

The throw to Davis hit him between the 1 and the 3. It was an appropriate ending to the day. 

It’s disappointing because Davis so often catches the deep ball with his hands, if he did that, I think he could have caught it. Oh well, really hoping these guys get it together against the Vikings. 

[TampaBillsJunkie]

I completely agree with everything you said. This was a tough game to swallow and 0-2 in our division is not the way I saw this playing out. Being down 5 starters on D was a bit to overcome, but we could have made some adjustments to get more pressure on Wilson and make him uncomfortable. Our run game outside Josh is really lacking and I can see why Beaner wanted to go after a true #1 RB.  

We got beat up in the trenches and the Jets are a different team under Saleh. My friend who is die hard Jets told me Saleh uses a lot of military discipline with the Jets and has the philosophy to drag teams out into the deep waters and see how they can swim.  Well, we drown yesterday and we better be ready for every team in this division. It's going to be a dog fight and not the cake-walk we thought. It's time to get back to doing the dirty work in practice and figuring out how to shore up the holes in the ship that are being repeatedly bombed.  


 

[SBbeliever]

8 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

I now realize I’m cursed.  I must forever swallow these bitter pills, and I can’t digest them until I talk it out. 

 

Damn.

 

I had a bad feeling about the Jets game all week.  It seemed clear that Robert Saleh had finally built a defense that people expected when he arrived in New Jersey.  I figured the Jets wouldn’t be able to score much, and the question would be whether the Jets defense was good enough to stop the Bills from scoring. The Bills didn’t look great against the Packers last week, and I was worried.

 

I took my son and grandson to see the game.  Josh Allen threw another opening drive interception, and the bad feeling I had never went away.  The Jets were, in fact, good enough to stop the Bills from scoring. 

 

The following brain dump of more or less unrelated points is necessary just so I can get on with the rest of my life, at least until the Vikings game:

 

1   The season doesn’t start until November.  Everyone knows that.  This season, I let myself get tricked into thinking the Bills’ early-season success meant something.  It didn’t.  At least, it didn’t mean much.  The Bills whipped the Super Bowl champs and then manhandled the Titans.   Turns out, the Rams were one-year wonders and the Titans were still playing preseason football.  They beat the Chiefs, but the two teams seem to have gone in opposite directions since then.

 

2.  Quarterbacks don’t become great until they face and overcome adversity.  Well, Josh, adversity is knockin’ on your door.  You’re looking mortal.  I heard you have a bad elbow; I don’t know if that’s true, but if it is, you and the Bills need to work through it.  My son suggested that a careful look at replays of your two interceptions suggest that maybe, just maybe, those weren’t total boneheaded throws.  Apparently in your post-game press conference you said those throws were on you, which you’re supposed to say and good for you, but my son thinks that your receivers weren’t on the same page with you.  Knox apparently turned upfield, thinking you would turn the corner and run and he should take his man with him, and you thought he’d continue coming back to you.  Davis may have turned the wrong way on the interception in the third quarter; a different cut and Gardiner would have been behind Davis and fighting to break up a completion.  No matter; you can’t let that happen.  Those two throws easily were the difference in the game.

 

3.  Speaking of Davis, by now everyone should realize that he isn’t the second coming of Megatron.  He’s a nice receiver to have on the team, but he is not the second half of some all-world receiving duo.  Diggs, by the way, is the first half.  The man can flat-out play.

 

4.  Is there any question that defenses have caught up to offenses?  Nothing comes easy.  It’s happening all over the league.  Defenses are stopping the deep and intermediate passing game, and running and stopping the run has returned as a key to success.  The Bills’ running attack hasn’t been good enough to respond to this change, and their run defense hasn’t been good enough to respond to the good running teams (like the Jets). 

 

5.  I continue to be unimpressed by Jaquan Johnson.  Against the Jets, he took the wrong angles trying to close down runs to the outside and coughed up big yardage.  It’s pretty clear that the Bills need the first tackler on the scene, if not to make the tackle, at least to slow down the momentum of the ball carrier so that the pursuers have time to shut down the play.  Johnson failed to do that, and it hurt.

 

6.  Hamlin is better than Johnson, and that’s why he got the start once Hyde went down.  But the combination of Hamlin and Johnson just looks too small to me.  Their size says “corner” to me.  Hyde and Poyer are bigger guys – make them a little bigger and they’d be linebackers.  We may see Marlowe next week. 

 

7.  Von Miller certainly has the knack for making big plays.

 

8.  I’m getting this uncomfortable feeling that the Bills have too many-all purpose guys and not enough who are really good at one thing.  It sure is nice that Bass can kick it high, kick it low, kick it long, kick it short – all-purpose, but how about a guy who never kicks off out of bounds and actually makes field goals? 

 

9.  I knew Milano wasn’t playing, but I didn’t think about who his replacement would be.  I don’t think I actually saw Bernard until the third quarter, and that is not a good thing.   Milano never goes a half without making himself noticeable.  

 

10.  I went into the season liking the Bills depth, and the depth has been helpful, so long as the lineup isn’t full of second-team players.  Once the rest of the starting offensive line returned, Quessenberry has done fine.  But when both your safeties, your number one corner, and your starting matchup outside linebacker are out, a second-string defensive backfield just can’t make enough stops. 

 

11.  I immediately liked the look of Hines.  Really solid catching punts, nice speed.  Great lay-out up the left sideline on the ball that Josh overthrew just a bit.  And I continue not to like the look of Cook.  He has speed, but he doesn’t show any quickness or shiftiness.  I first thought it was Cook who laid out, and I was really excited to see some intensity.  I think we’ll more of Hines next week, and probably less of Cook.

 

12.  I continue to doubt that McKenzie is the answer in the slot.  He looks great on jet sweeps, as he always has, but it’s an adventure every time Josh throws him the ball, especially on what should be bread-and-butter slants.  Beasley caught ‘em, Diggs catches ‘em; McKenzie, well, it’s an adventure.  Shakir must have plateaued in practice; otherwise, we would be seeing more of him out there. 

 

13.  So many people were talking about how the Bills were through the tough part of the schedule.  Forget that.  Jets, Dolphins, and Pats twice looks pretty tough.  Vikings and Browns.  The NFL is never easy, and there are no free passes to the Super Bowl. 

 

14.  We may be looking at the characteristic mid-season slump that we’ve seen form McDermott before.  McDermott wants to have his best team in December, and now is the time that he earns his money.  It’s time for the Bills to start showing they can handle whatever teams throw at them.  They need four wins in the division.

 

15.  Still, as I said earlier in the season, the object is to go at least 3-1 every quarter of the season, and here the Bills are 6-2 with wins over the Chiefs and Titans.  They’re in a good position, but they need to be better than they were against the Jets.

 

16.  Oh, and the throw to Diggs on first down on the last possession was magnificent, as was the catch.  Penalty really hurt.  And the throw to Davis later?  I haven’t seen a replay, but I believe that throw went from the goal line to the Jets 20 and was more or less on target!  It was truly incredible.

 

 

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

The Rockpile Review is written to share the passion we have for the Buffalo Bills. That passion was born in the Rockpile; its parents were everyday people of western New York who translated their dedication to a full day’s hard work and simple pleasures into love for a pro football team.

 

8 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

I now realize I’m cursed.  I must forever swallow these bitter pills, and I can’t digest them until I talk it out. 

 

Damn.

 

I had a bad feeling about the Jets game all week.  It seemed clear that Robert Saleh had finally built a defense that people expected when he arrived in New Jersey.  I figured the Jets wouldn’t be able to score much, and the question would be whether the Jets defense was good enough to stop the Bills from scoring. The Bills didn’t look great against the Packers last week, and I was worried.

 

I took my son and grandson to see the game.  Josh Allen threw another opening drive interception, and the bad feeling I had never went away.  The Jets were, in fact, good enough to stop the Bills from scoring. 

 

The following brain dump of more or less unrelated points is necessary just so I can get on with the rest of my life, at least until the Vikings game:

 

1   The season doesn’t start until November.  Everyone knows that.  This season, I let myself get tricked into thinking the Bills’ early-season success meant something.  It didn’t.  At least, it didn’t mean much.  The Bills whipped the Super Bowl champs and then manhandled the Titans.   Turns out, the Rams were one-year wonders and the Titans were still playing preseason football.  They beat the Chiefs, but the two teams seem to have gone in opposite directions since then.

 

2.  Quarterbacks don’t become great until they face and overcome adversity.  Well, Josh, adversity is knockin’ on your door.  You’re looking mortal.  I heard you have a bad elbow; I don’t know if that’s true, but if it is, you and the Bills need to work through it.  My son suggested that a careful look at replays of your two interceptions suggest that maybe, just maybe, those weren’t total boneheaded throws.  Apparently in your post-game press conference you said those throws were on you, which you’re supposed to say and good for you, but my son thinks that your receivers weren’t on the same page with you.  Knox apparently turned upfield, thinking you would turn the corner and run and he should take his man with him, and you thought he’d continue coming back to you.  Davis may have turned the wrong way on the interception in the third quarter; a different cut and Gardiner would have been behind Davis and fighting to break up a completion.  No matter; you can’t let that happen.  Those two throws easily were the difference in the game.

 

3.  Speaking of Davis, by now everyone should realize that he isn’t the second coming of Megatron.  He’s a nice receiver to have on the team, but he is not the second half of some all-world receiving duo.  Diggs, by the way, is the first half.  The man can flat-out play.

 

4.  Is there any question that defenses have caught up to offenses?  Nothing comes easy.  It’s happening all over the league.  Defenses are stopping the deep and intermediate passing game, and running and stopping the run has returned as a key to success.  The Bills’ running attack hasn’t been good enough to respond to this change, and their run defense hasn’t been good enough to respond to the good running teams (like the Jets). 

 

5.  I continue to be unimpressed by Jaquan Johnson.  Against the Jets, he took the wrong angles trying to close down runs to the outside and coughed up big yardage.  It’s pretty clear that the Bills need the first tackler on the scene, if not to make the tackle, at least to slow down the momentum of the ball carrier so that the pursuers have time to shut down the play.  Johnson failed to do that, and it hurt.

 

6.  Hamlin is better than Johnson, and that’s why he got the start once Hyde went down.  But the combination of Hamlin and Johnson just looks too small to me.  Their size says “corner” to me.  Hyde and Poyer are bigger guys – make them a little bigger and they’d be linebackers.  We may see Marlowe next week. 

 

7.  Von Miller certainly has the knack for making big plays.

 

8.  I’m getting this uncomfortable feeling that the Bills have too many-all purpose guys and not enough who are really good at one thing.  It sure is nice that Bass can kick it high, kick it low, kick it long, kick it short – all-purpose, but how about a guy who never kicks off out of bounds and actually makes field goals? 

 

9.  I knew Milano wasn’t playing, but I didn’t think about who his replacement would be.  I don’t think I actually saw Bernard until the third quarter, and that is not a good thing.   Milano never goes a half without making himself noticeable.  

 

10.  I went into the season liking the Bills depth, and the depth has been helpful, so long as the lineup isn’t full of second-team players.  Once the rest of the starting offensive line returned, Quessenberry has done fine.  But when both your safeties, your number one corner, and your starting matchup outside linebacker are out, a second-string defensive backfield just can’t make enough stops. 

 

11.  I immediately liked the look of Hines.  Really solid catching punts, nice speed.  Great lay-out up the left sideline on the ball that Josh overthrew just a bit.  And I continue not to like the look of Cook.  He has speed, but he doesn’t show any quickness or shiftiness.  I first thought it was Cook who laid out, and I was really excited to see some intensity.  I think we’ll more of Hines next week, and probably less of Cook.

 

12.  I continue to doubt that McKenzie is the answer in the slot.  He looks great on jet sweeps, as he always has, but it’s an adventure every time Josh throws him the ball, especially on what should be bread-and-butter slants.  Beasley caught ‘em, Diggs catches ‘em; McKenzie, well, it’s an adventure.  Shakir must have plateaued in practice; otherwise, we would be seeing more of him out there. 

 

13.  So many people were talking about how the Bills were through the tough part of the schedule.  Forget that.  Jets, Dolphins, and Pats twice looks pretty tough.  Vikings and Browns.  The NFL is never easy, and there are no free passes to the Super Bowl. 

 

14.  We may be looking at the characteristic mid-season slump that we’ve seen form McDermott before.  McDermott wants to have his best team in December, and now is the time that he earns his money.  It’s time for the Bills to start showing they can handle whatever teams throw at them.  They need four wins in the division.

 

15.  Still, as I said earlier in the season, the object is to go at least 3-1 every quarter of the season, and here the Bills are 6-2 with wins over the Chiefs and Titans.  They’re in a good position, but they need to be better than they were against the Jets.

 

16.  Oh, and the throw to Diggs on first down on the last possession was magnificent, as was the catch.  Penalty really hurt.  And the throw to Davis later?  I haven’t seen a replay, but I believe that throw went from the goal line to the Jets 20 and was more or less on target!  It was truly incredible.

 

 

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

The Rockpile Review is written to share the passion we have for the Buffalo Bills. That passion was born in the Rockpile; its parents were everyday people of western New York who translated their dedication to a full day’s hard work and simple pleasures into love for a pro football team.

 

8 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

I now realize I’m cursed.  I must forever swallow these bitter pills, and I can’t digest them until I talk it out. 

 

Damn.

 

I had a bad feeling about the Jets game all week.  It seemed clear that Robert Saleh had finally built a defense that people expected when he arrived in New Jersey.  I figured the Jets wouldn’t be able to score much, and the question would be whether the Jets defense was good enough to stop the Bills from scoring. The Bills didn’t look great against the Packers last week, and I was worried.

 

I took my son and grandson to see the game.  Josh Allen threw another opening drive interception, and the bad feeling I had never went away.  The Jets were, in fact, good enough to stop the Bills from scoring. 

 

The following brain dump of more or less unrelated points is necessary just so I can get on with the rest of my life, at least until the Vikings game:

 

1   The season doesn’t start until November.  Everyone knows that.  This season, I let myself get tricked into thinking the Bills’ early-season success meant something.  It didn’t.  At least, it didn’t mean much.  The Bills whipped the Super Bowl champs and then manhandled the Titans.   Turns out, the Rams were one-year wonders and the Titans were still playing preseason football.  They beat the Chiefs, but the two teams seem to have gone in opposite directions since then.

 

2.  Quarterbacks don’t become great until they face and overcome adversity.  Well, Josh, adversity is knockin’ on your door.  You’re looking mortal.  I heard you have a bad elbow; I don’t know if that’s true, but if it is, you and the Bills need to work through it.  My son suggested that a careful look at replays of your two interceptions suggest that maybe, just maybe, those weren’t total boneheaded throws.  Apparently in your post-game press conference you said those throws were on you, which you’re supposed to say and good for you, but my son thinks that your receivers weren’t on the same page with you.  Knox apparently turned upfield, thinking you would turn the corner and run and he should take his man with him, and you thought he’d continue coming back to you.  Davis may have turned the wrong way on the interception in the third quarter; a different cut and Gardiner would have been behind Davis and fighting to break up a completion.  No matter; you can’t let that happen.  Those two throws easily were the difference in the game.

 

3.  Speaking of Davis, by now everyone should realize that he isn’t the second coming of Megatron.  He’s a nice receiver to have on the team, but he is not the second half of some all-world receiving duo.  Diggs, by the way, is the first half.  The man can flat-out play.

 

4.  Is there any question that defenses have caught up to offenses?  Nothing comes easy.  It’s happening all over the league.  Defenses are stopping the deep and intermediate passing game, and running and stopping the run has returned as a key to success.  The Bills’ running attack hasn’t been good enough to respond to this change, and their run defense hasn’t been good enough to respond to the good running teams (like the Jets). 

 

5.  I continue to be unimpressed by Jaquan Johnson.  Against the Jets, he took the wrong angles trying to close down runs to the outside and coughed up big yardage.  It’s pretty clear that the Bills need the first tackler on the scene, if not to make the tackle, at least to slow down the momentum of the ball carrier so that the pursuers have time to shut down the play.  Johnson failed to do that, and it hurt.

 

6.  Hamlin is better than Johnson, and that’s why he got the start once Hyde went down.  But the combination of Hamlin and Johnson just looks too small to me.  Their size says “corner” to me.  Hyde and Poyer are bigger guys – make them a little bigger and they’d be linebackers.  We may see Marlowe next week. 

 

7.  Von Miller certainly has the knack for making big plays.

 

8.  I’m getting this uncomfortable feeling that the Bills have too many-all purpose guys and not enough who are really good at one thing.  It sure is nice that Bass can kick it high, kick it low, kick it long, kick it short – all-purpose, but how about a guy who never kicks off out of bounds and actually makes field goals? 

 

9.  I knew Milano wasn’t playing, but I didn’t think about who his replacement would be.  I don’t think I actually saw Bernard until the third quarter, and that is not a good thing.   Milano never goes a half without making himself noticeable.  

 

10.  I went into the season liking the Bills depth, and the depth has been helpful, so long as the lineup isn’t full of second-team players.  Once the rest of the starting offensive line returned, Quessenberry has done fine.  But when both your safeties, your number one corner, and your starting matchup outside linebacker are out, a second-string defensive backfield just can’t make enough stops. 

 

11.  I immediately liked the look of Hines.  Really solid catching punts, nice speed.  Great lay-out up the left sideline on the ball that Josh overthrew just a bit.  And I continue not to like the look of Cook.  He has speed, but he doesn’t show any quickness or shiftiness.  I first thought it was Cook who laid out, and I was really excited to see some intensity.  I think we’ll more of Hines next week, and probably less of Cook.

 

12.  I continue to doubt that McKenzie is the answer in the slot.  He looks great on jet sweeps, as he always has, but it’s an adventure every time Josh throws him the ball, especially on what should be bread-and-butter slants.  Beasley caught ‘em, Diggs catches ‘em; McKenzie, well, it’s an adventure.  Shakir must have plateaued in practice; otherwise, we would be seeing more of him out there. 

 

13.  So many people were talking about how the Bills were through the tough part of the schedule.  Forget that.  Jets, Dolphins, and Pats twice looks pretty tough.  Vikings and Browns.  The NFL is never easy, and there are no free passes to the Super Bowl. 

 

14.  We may be looking at the characteristic mid-season slump that we’ve seen form McDermott before.  McDermott wants to have his best team in December, and now is the time that he earns his money.  It’s time for the Bills to start showing they can handle whatever teams throw at them.  They need four wins in the division.

 

15.  Still, as I said earlier in the season, the object is to go at least 3-1 every quarter of the season, and here the Bills are 6-2 with wins over the Chiefs and Titans.  They’re in a good position, but they need to be better than they were against the Jets.

 

16.  Oh, and the throw to Diggs on first down on the last possession was magnificent, as was the catch.  Penalty really hurt.  And the throw to Davis later?  I haven’t seen a replay, but I believe that throw went from the goal line to the Jets 20 and was more or less on target!  It was truly incredible.

 

 

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

The Rockpile Review is written to share the passion we have for the Buffalo Bills. That passion was born in the Rockpile; its parents were everyday people of western New York who translated their dedication to a full day’s hard work and simple pleasures into love for a pro football team.

  I’m getting this uncomfortable feeling that the Bills have too many-all purpose guys and not enough who are really good at one thing.  It sure is nice that Bass can kick it high, kick it low, kick it long, kick it short – all-purpose, but how about a guy who never kicks off out of bounds and actually makes field goals? I agree about all purpose players - - McKenzie, Shakir, Kumerow  etc.  None are special at all.

[TheCockSportif]

The only thing that bugs me about this loss is that the Jets are portraying this as a transcendent victory.  It's not.  If the Bills don't screw the pooch twice, then the Jets were toast.  Of course, the Bills screwed the pooch twice (thrice, if you think of the missed FG), and we fall into Any Given Sunday mode.

 

I still feel that the Bills can win it all this year.  But it's game by game thing.  It's maddening, but I have faith for the first time in a long time.

[HappyDays]

12 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Quarterbacks don’t become great until they face and overcome adversity.  Well, Josh, adversity is knockin’ on your door.  You’re looking mortal.  I heard you have a bad elbow; I don’t know if that’s true, but if it is, you and the Bills need to work through it.  My son suggested that a careful look at replays of your two interceptions suggest that maybe, just maybe, those weren’t total boneheaded throws.  Apparently in your post-game press conference you said those throws were on you, which you’re supposed to say and good for you, but my son thinks that your receivers weren’t on the same page with you.  Knox apparently turned upfield, thinking you would turn the corner and run and he should take his man with him, and you thought he’d continue coming back to you.  Davis may have turned the wrong way on the interception in the third quarter; a different cut and Gardiner would have been behind Davis and fighting to break up a completion.  No matter; you can’t let that happen.  Those two throws easily were the difference in the game.

 

Allen's bad games always feature multiple turnovers. That is what he needs to work on. Every QB has some off games where they're not throwing the ball as well or are out of sync with their receivers or are getting bamboozled by the defense. That's okay, we can win games where Allen is off a bit. But when he compounds those issues with multiple turnovers it is almost impossible to win. It was the same story against Jacksonville last year.

 

Basically Allen needs to learn how to win an ugly game. His current mindset in these games is get all the mistakes back on a single throw, and more often than not that mindset is hurting the team. The 2nd interception is a perfect example. Our defense just forced a huge turnover and they need a breather. Cook is open in the flats and Allen sees him before forcing the ball downfield. That's a play where you just take the easy yards and live to see another down. If you falter on 3rd down and have to punt, that's okay. Field position matters in ugly games. The only thing you can't do there is erase the defense's momentum swing.

 

Allen lost us the game and he knows it. At the middle of every season he has to be reminded to take what's there and stop pressing. It needs to be a constant coaching point with him because the old habit is always there waiting to pop out.

 

Edited November 8, 2022 by HappyDays

[chongli]

13 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

 

And the throw to Davis later?  I haven’t seen a replay, but I believe that throw went from the goal line to the Jets 20 and was more or less on target!  It was truly incredible.

 

 

13 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

They beat the Chiefs, but the two teams seem to have gone in opposite directions since then.

 

 

Sort of like last season (except at the end, when the Bills were playing the best of any team on the NFL).

13 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

13.  So many people were talking about how the Bills were through the tough part of the schedule.  Forget that.  Jets, Dolphins, and Pats twice looks pretty tough.  Vikings and Browns.  The NFL is never easy, and there are no free passes to the Super Bowl. 

 

 

The one saving grace is we get to play Cleveland without Deshaun Watson.

[Shaw66]

7 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

Basically Allen needs to learn how to win an ugly game. His current mindset in these games is get all the mistakes back on a single throw, and more often than not that mindset is hurting the team. The 2nd interception is a perfect example. Our defense just forced a huge turnover and they need a breather. Cook is open in the flats and Allen sees him before forcing the ball downfield. That's a play where you just take the easy yards and live to see another down. If you falter on 3rd down and have to punt, that's okay. Field position matters in ugly games. The only thing you can't do there is erase the defense's momentum swing.

 

Allen lost us the game and he knows it. 

 

Thanks for this.  I didn't want to dump too much on Allen, but this says it really well.  He seems to be back to wanting the splash play and forgetting that possession and the first down are what matters.   Against the Packers, I think, he chose to throw low percentage passes instead of taking the clear running path to the first down and a slide.  

 

Still, I'd like to know what really happened on the two INTs, because those throws looked beyond rookie stupid, and Josh doesn't strike me as stupid.  

[HappyDays]

10 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Still, I'd like to know what really happened on the two INTs, because those throws looked beyond rookie stupid, and Josh doesn't strike me as stupid.  

 

Weirdly enough I can excuse him more for the first one even though it looked worse. That is a play we run all the time and Allen is used to the safety getting drawn inside by the fake so he didn't expect Whitehead to be there. By Allen's own admission he couldn't see White behind the pass rusher in his face so he thought Knox was all alone over there. He was probably a little too lazy about checking to make sure a DB hadn't leaked into that area, but it was somewhat of a flukey play.

 

The 2nd one was inexcusable. Even if Davis cut the wrong way like some have posited it looks like Gardner was going to be there for the interception either way. Cook is right there in the flat with his man playing far off him. You can see Allen look at him before forcing the throw downfield. In an ugly game you just take the yards there.

[LABILLBACKER]

22 hours ago, msw2112 said:

Did anyone else think that there was pass interference on the last long throw to Davis?  It wasn't blatant, but there was contact.  Gardner had his hand on Davis' back before the ball got there and also appeared to have a hand on Davis' chest.  10 years ago, I wouldn't have thought that, but in today's NFL, that's usually flagged as PI.  Would it have been called if Tom Brady was throwing that pass (not that he could throw that pass, but theoretically)?

 

This Buffalo Rumbligs article concludes that it was played and called correctly:

 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2022/11/7/23444027/bills-jets-penalty-recap-gabe-davis-sauce-gardner-dion-dawkins

Both players were arm battling.  Sauce had a little arm bar and Gabe got away with a little push. Gabe did have to slow down slightly but the ball was not deflected. It went right thru his arms.

[Virgil]

One thing I planned to talk about, but honestly never found the time, was how we don't seem to have any sort of offensive identity anymore.  I never seem to know what's working for us, more than Allen to digs.  We are all over the place, but in a way that is not confusing to defenses as much as it doesn't establish any sort of rhythm.

[Gugny]

Just now, Virgil said:

One thing I planned to talk about, but honestly never found the time, was how we don't seem to have any sort of offensive identity anymore.  I never seem to know what's working for us, more than Allen to digs.  We are all over the place, but in a way that is not confusing to defenses as much as it doesn't establish any sort of rhythm.

 

I've never been a fan of having an offensive identity.  

 

I think it's all about knowing the defense you're facing each week and exploiting their weaknesses.  That's never going to be the same.

 

At the current Bills team's best, that's what they've done.  I feel like lately, they're hellbent on being The Greatest Show on Turf 2.0 and it's just not working.

 

Take what the defense gives you and move the goddamn chains.  The downfield shots will come as a result.

 

Just my take.

[LeGOATski]

5 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I've never been a fan of having an offensive identity.  

 

I think it's all about knowing the defense you're facing each week and exploiting their weaknesses.  That's never going to be the same.

 

At the current Bills team's best, that's what they've done.  I feel like lately, they're hellbent on being The Greatest Show on Turf 2.0 and it's just not working.

 

Take what the defense gives you and move the goddamn chains.  The downfield shots will come as a result.

 

Just my take.

Like the Pats in their prime. They could torch you for 400 air yards or 200 rush yards on any given Sunday.

[Thurman#1]

20 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Right.  There's a different thread going about whether the sky is falling.   I've posted there.   Where I come out is that the sky isn't falling, it's impossible for the good teams to be good for the entire season and the playoffs.  Every team is still in the process of trying to figure out how to win consistently.  That's where KC is, that's where the Bills are.   Which teams will go on runs over the next two months?   I don't know, but KC and Buffalo are among the better bets.  

 

 

Yeah. Unfortunately, this won't be a week when measured, thoughtful responses meet a lot of approval.

 

And KC didn't win because they played especially well. They won because Malik Willis was starting at QB for the Titans.

[Shaw66]

10 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Yeah. Unfortunately, this won't be a week when measured, thoughtful responses meet a lot of approval.

 

And KC didn't win because they played especially well. They won because Malik Willis was starting at QB for the Titans.

You know, NBC has a product to sell - the NFL, and they aren't going to bash the product, but Tirico and Collinsworth really weren't frank about what was going on.   It was obvious - Malik Willis look less like an NFL quarterback than any guy who has started in my memory.   He was horrible.   There was no way he was going to mount a drive over 20 yards.   There was a time late in regulation or in overtime when it looked for a few seconds like KC was going for it on 4th down when kicking the field goal was the obvious thing to do.  The ONLY reason KC might have thought about going for it was that they knew, for a certainty, that they could stop Willis.  

 

It would have been a much different game with a QB.  Almost any other QB.  

[Scott7975]

This team just doesnt have enough talent on the offensive side of the football.  Its Josh, Diggs, and a bunch of average guys.  Josh and Diggs can not do it all.

[Shaw66]

30 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I've never been a fan of having an offensive identity.  

 

I think it's all about knowing the defense you're facing each week and exploiting their weaknesses.  That's never going to be the same.

 

At the current Bills team's best, that's what they've done.  I feel like lately, they're hellbent on being The Greatest Show on Turf 2.0 and it's just not working.

 

Take what the defense gives you and move the goddamn chains.  The downfield shots will come as a result.

 

Just my take.

I agree with this.  However, I think it's not that they think they're the Greatest Show.  The Bills game plan is based on what they think they can have success at against the defense they're facing.   If they pass a lot, it's because that's the way they think they can best move the ball.  They're trying to do what someone said the Pats did in their prime.  Do what works best against this opponent.  

 

If the Bills are going for big chunks too aggressively, it's because they misjudged what they thought they could do.  

 

And let me mention here something I keep thinking about.   These games aren't played in vacuums.   They're played against teams, many of which have athletes as good or nearly as good as the Bills (Jets have some really talented defenders), who are just as highly motivated, day in and day out, as the Bills.  They have smart coaches who are working to accomplish exactly the opposite of what the Bills coaches want to accomplish.   Most games are intensely contested, in-your-face battles, and it simply isn't surprising that the other team wins sometimes.  Face it, we love it when the Jaguars beat the Chiefs; we just don't like it when they beat the Bills.  

 

I'm sure there were people who follow the Jets who knew the Jets could compete with the Bills.  

 

 

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, Shaw66 said:

I agree with this.  However, I think it's not that they think they're the Greatest Show.  The Bills game plan is based on what they think they can have success at against the defense they're facing.   If they pass a lot, it's because that's the way they think they can best move the ball.  They're trying to do what someone said the Pats did in their prime.  Do what works best against this opponent.  

 

If the Bills are going for big chunks too aggressively, it's because they misjudged what they thought they could do.  

 

And let me mention here something I keep thinking about.   These games aren't played in vacuums.   They're played against teams, many of which have athletes as good or nearly as good as the Bills (Jets have some really talented defenders), who are just as highly motivated, day in and day out, as the Bills.  They have smart coaches who are working to accomplish exactly the opposite of what the Bills coaches want to accomplish.   Most games are intensely contested, in-your-face battles, and it simply isn't surprising that the other team wins sometimes.  Face it, we love it when the Jaguars beat the Chiefs; we just don't like it when they beat the Bills.  

 

I'm sure there were people who follow the Jets who knew the Jets could compete with the Bills.  

 

 

 

Great call out.  I've always told people that, regardless of the team, they are all professional football players and it's why "any given Sunday," plays out more weeks than not.

 

[Virgil]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

I've never been a fan of having an offensive identity.  

 

I think it's all about knowing the defense you're facing each week and exploiting their weaknesses.  That's never going to be the same.

 

At the current Bills team's best, that's what they've done.  I feel like lately, they're hellbent on being The Greatest Show on Turf 2.0 and it's just not working.

 

Take what the defense gives you and move the goddamn chains.  The downfield shots will come as a result.

 

Just my take.

 

Maybe I should be more clear.  They don't have an offensive identity within each game, which can change from game to game.  We won't establish the run.  We don't establish certain players as Diggs as a threat.  We don't make teams respect the screen.  

[Gugny]

Just now, Virgil said:

Maybe I should be more clear.  

 

I feel like this was passive-aggressive and it's making me feel a certain way.

[Scott7975]

 

We need an offensive playmaker.