The "non-interception" by Edmunds

[Not at the table Karlos]

12 hours ago, mrags said:

Maybe if Edmunds was any good he would have came down with it and it wouldn’t have been contested. Must be nice to have a defensive leader making plays. We wouldn’t know. 

He did come down with it and it wasn't contested until they started fighting on the ground. By the rules he should have been down by contact. Just because the refs said it was contested doesn't make it true. 

[mrags]

3 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

He did come down with it and it wasn't contested until they started fighting on the ground. By the rules he should have been down by contact. Just because the refs said it was contested doesn't make it true. 

So. just like in half of his plays when he us outmuscled by undersized RBs and WRs and blocked out half the time. Got it. 

[Motorin']

20 hours ago, ArtVandalay said:

McDermott has one of the worst challenge records in NFL history.  6 for 24 in his 6 seasons, as of a couple years ago only Lebeau and Reeves were worse. If you are scratching your head why we didn't challenge, that's why. 

 

Camera angle showed clear possession. Where Edmunds controlled the ball and Uzmah didn't have a single finger on it. He tried grabbing it after Edmunds fell to the ground. 

 

 

 

 

It was absolutely clear he was the only one with possession as they fell to the ground, if you go frame by frame in slow motion. There was no "simultaneous" catch. 

 

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

6 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

It was absolutely clear he was the only one with possession as they fell to the ground, if you go frame by frame in slow motion. There was no "simultaneous" catch. 

 

 

 

You can't take the ball from a player on the ground.  Once he's touched he's down.  

 

While we still stopped them on that drive, that would have given buffalo the ball around mid-field.  

[Bermuda Triangle]

14 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

You can't take the ball from a player on the ground.  Once he's touched he's down.  

 

While we still stopped them on that drive, that would have given buffalo the ball around mid-field.  

the next play after the "non-INT", the Jets hurried to the line on 3rd down and ran a play, which did not result in a first down.  They then ran a successful fake punt on 4th down.  Drive ended with the Miller strip sack, but Allen returned the favor with an INT deep in Bills territory 2 plays later.

[Billsfan1972]

2 hours ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

the next play after the "non-INT", the Jets hurried to the line on 3rd down and ran a play, which did not result in a first down.  They then ran a successful fake punt on 4th down.  Drive ended with the Miller strip sack, but Allen returned the favor with an INT deep in Bills territory 2 plays later.

It was an 8 minute drive and sucked the air out of the Bills and their offense.  

 

The game is 100% different if the right call was made (int) @ 13:38.  The Bills touched the ball for the first time at 6:21....  Lost 7 minutes and 35 yards.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

It was an 8 minute drive and sucked the air out of the Bills and their offense.  

 

The game is 100% different if the right call was made (int) @ 13:38.  The Bills touched the ball for the first time at 6:21....  Lost 7 minutes and 35 yards.

 

Plus if Buffalo takes a greater lead there - the Jets might pass the ball more, or it changes how they approach their next series.  

[Livinginthepast]

This play should have been called an INT first by the officials and the Jets should have been the ones challenging to show simultaneous possession.  Only in the NFL could you have the biggest money TV coverage with the most angles and still not have an angle. One question though, was this before or after the sky cam fell out of the sky?

[Pete]

Two of biggest Bills plays overturned by bull#### calls.  Refs ultimately gave that game to the Jets 

[Freddie's Dead]

On 11/6/2022 at 8:46 PM, ArtVandalay said:

McDermott has one of the worst challenge records in NFL history.  6 for 24 in his 6 seasons, as of a couple years ago only Lebeau and Reeves were worse. If you are scratching your head why we didn't challenge, that's why. 

 

Camera angle showed clear possession. Where Edmunds controlled the ball and Uzmah didn't have a single finger on it. He tried grabbing it after Edmunds fell to the ground. 

 

 

 

 

I was just re-watching the game for The Saffold Teport.  The final replay they had (unfortunately after the Jest ran a play), showed what this screen capture does.  Uzomah did not have a hand, a finger, his dick, or any of his body parts on the ball when Edmunds comes down and is down by contact.  He clearly wrestled the ball away from Edmunds on the bottom of the pile.  The other Bills players should have helped him by pulling Uzomah out of there.  This play cost us the game.  Thanks refs, this was Rams redux.  

[Pete]

9 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

I was just re-watching the game for The Saffold Teport.  The final replay they had (unfortunately after the Jest ran a play), showed what this screen capture does.  Uzomah did not have a hand, a finger, his dick, or any of his body parts on the ball when Edmunds comes down and is down by contact.  He clearly wrestled the ball away from Edmunds on the bottom of the pile.  The other Bills players should have helped him by pulling Uzomah out of there.  This play cost us the game.  Thanks refs, this was Rams redux.  

that was clear to see in live time IMO.  Edwards clearly had the ball, and play should of been whistled dead, Bills ball.  FU NFL Clown Refs!

[Billsfan1972]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

that was clear to see in live time IMO.  Edwards clearly had the ball, and play should of been whistled dead, Bills ball.  FU NFL Clown Refs!

And yes that changed the entire tenure of the game.  

 

But to me the non-hold on Dawkins the final two-minutes sealed it.

 

Two plays, both cost the Bills 35 yards field position and one 7 minute of game time. 

[Playoffs?]

10 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

I was just re-watching the game for The Saffold Teport.  The final replay they had (unfortunately after the Jest ran a play), showed what this screen capture does.  Uzomah did not have a hand, a finger, his dick, or any of his body parts on the ball when Edmunds comes down and is down by contact.  He clearly wrestled the ball away from Edmunds on the bottom of the pile.  The other Bills players should have helped him by pulling Uzomah out of there.  This play cost us the game.  Thanks refs, this was Rams redux.  

For all of McD’s weird challenges, I was surprised he didn’t on this one.

[Pete]

4 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

And yes that changed the entire tenure of the game.  

 

But to me the non-hold on Dawkins the final two-minutes sealed it.

 

Two plays, both cost the Bills 35 yards field position and one 7 minute of game time. 

The Bills losses the past couple years- there have been many horrible calls against the Bills that cost them the game.  I hate seeing bad calls on any team, but it seems to happen to the Bills more than any other team

[cba fan]

On 11/8/2022 at 6:16 PM, Livinginthepast said:

This play should have been called an INT first by the officials and the Jets should have been the ones challenging to show simultaneous possession.  Only in the NFL could you have the biggest money TV coverage with the most angles and still not have an angle. One question though, was this before or after the sky cam fell out of the sky?

before

 

15 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

I was just re-watching the game for The Saffold Teport.  The final replay they had (unfortunately after the Jest ran a play), showed what this screen capture does.  Uzomah did not have a hand, a finger, his dick, or any of his body parts on the ball when Edmunds comes down and is down by contact.  He clearly wrestled the ball away from Edmunds on the bottom of the pile.  The other Bills players should have helped him by pulling Uzomah out of there.  This play cost us the game.  Thanks refs, this was Rams redux.  

if you pull a player off a pile it is 15 yard penalty so players don't do it anymore. But doing so maybe would have gotten the Bills the ball. Risky move but in this case may have been smart situational strategy.

[PrimeTime101]

On 11/6/2022 at 7:29 PM, stevestojan said:

Of all the times McD has thrown questionable red flags, I can’t believe our coaches in the booth didn’t immediately tell him to toss it. 
 

That scrum happened fully after Edmunds had the ball and was down by contact. 

how many times did those same coaches in the booth scream "throw the red flag, throw the red flag"

 

I think its funny that when McD throws it and he is wrong its just on him. @stevestojan your point leads to another good point. how many times did the booth guys fail McD? Maybe McD lost faith in those guys?

[cba fan]

6 hours ago, Pete said:

that was clear to see in live time IMO.  Edwards clearly had the ball, and play should of been whistled dead, Bills ball.  FU NFL Clown Refs!

yep

 

replays clearly show Edmunds with ball and the TE having no hands in or on the ball. Only after they hit ground does Jets player apparently get the ball away from Edmunds who must skip hands day in the weight room. 

 

it was never ripped from Edmunds hands at any time when play was active. Edmunds had it and receiver then put hands in. Edmunds never let go. BS call. And no auto review happens on simultaneous catches, as there was no turnover called on the field. All turnovers are auto reviewed. Catches are not. They needed a challenge flag thrown outside 2 minutes.

[stevestojan]

55 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

how many times did those same coaches in the booth scream "throw the red flag, throw the red flag"

 

I think its funny that when McD throws it and he is wrong its just on him. @stevestojan your point leads to another good point. how many times did the booth guys fail McD? Maybe McD lost faith in those guys?

McD has the worst seat in the house to make any of those calls. It’s like going to a game and having first row seats - we all know you have to watch the Jumbotron to see what the hell is going on. 
 

The guys in the booth have multiple 8k screens in front of them. 
 

[Freddie's Dead]

1 hour ago, cba fan said:

if you pull a player off a pile it is 15 yard penalty so players don't do it anymore. But doing so maybe would have gotten the Bills the ball. Risky move but in this case may have been smart situational strategy.

 

Stop confusing me with facts!

[HOUSE]

Oh look, an Edmunds post.....

 

He is to young for interceptions