Josh Allen injury update(officially questionable - expected to start per Ian Rappaport)

[Warriorspikes51]

2 minutes ago, Bills!Win! said:

How did Keenum get the Vikings to an nfc championship game if he sucks? Maybe if you put a competent team around him he’ll be fine. 

I do think a week to prepare and he'll look a lot different than preseason....IF he plays 

[dorquemada]

5 minutes ago, Bills!Win! said:

How did Keenum get the Vikings to an nfc championship game if he sucks? Maybe if you put a competent team around him he’ll be fine. 

 

competent team

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

I didn't think Keenum looked that good during preseason.

 

It looked like he lost a lot of arm strength as his balls would flutter.

[NyBob85]

I'm not sure why so many people are talking like this is a guaranteed loss if we start Keenum. You'd swear he was a droopy-eyed armless child and not a very experienced veteran who has tons of experience starting and playing (and winning) in far bigger spots than this. We don't HAVE to win this midseason non-conference game, obviously, but there's zero reason beyond the blind jaded pessimism that we've all adopted as Bills fans over the years to assume it's going to be a loss just because Josh is out. Yeah, the O-Line isn't anything spectacular but they can protect Keenum long enough on enough plays to find any one of our very talented receivers, and hopefully they're working on getting the push they've been lacking and opening up holes for the running game as well. Hines might end up being a very timely trade if we're going to be relying on the run and short passes this Sunday. 

 

Long story short, there's no need to panic and get into doom-and-gloom mode. If Josh is good to go Sunday, great, but I have faith that even Keenum can do enough to beat the Vikings so long as the whole rest of the team (defense especially) show up. Just prepare for a gritty 2014-style, defense-oriented, Kyle Orton type of game where we win 16-10 or something on the back of three Bass FGs and put the house on the under right now before Keenum is officially named the starter, lol. 

[UKBillFan]

16 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Remember his game against Atlanta last year? Similar in ugliness 2 or 3 ints (think he had 2 rush tds that game as well)

Then he played like a HOFer shortly afterward in playoffs 

The Falcons game is probably the closest in similarity to whatever happened against the Jets. Know I’m stuck in a loop but it’s annoying as I thought he’d got over those kinds of errors.

[goldenboy81]

On 11/9/2022 at 11:22 AM, LabattBlue said:

So they don't have cold temps, wind, or rain in KC come January?

I was thinking Miami,L.A, even Tenn 

[Mango]

3 hours ago, What a Tuel said:

 

There seems to be debate about whether injuring it further is possible.

 

They clearly won't play him if there is risk to injure it further, but if the risk of a tear is the same with the injury and without then he can certainly play.

I started this post before I went into surgery and am finishing this in post op. People don’t do drugs because they suck.
 

I think the big variable in the decision making is will be what percent is Josh now, and what percentage will he be with how much rest. 
 

I actually asked my surgeon what he thought pre op. And he basically said something similar. He won’t get better if he plays on it. So they have to decide if whatever his status is is good enough to win a Super Bowl. He said he’d sit him for a week or two and try and at least get him at or over 90% and rolling with your QB being less than that was a risk. And by risk he meant that it would be tough to win a championship with a QB at 85%. 

[Golden]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

OK.  I just found it confusing because the authors reference a group with a different name "ProFootballDoc", but Chao IS that group with a different name, so it's like they're trying to give their opinion more clout by referencing themselves as a separate entity  IYKWIM? 

 

Also, Trimble is associated with Chao as one of his "injury spotters", and what Chao says above strongly echos the analysis and conclusions Trimble wrote, but doesn't give him credit or delve into the reasoning behind his conclusion (about the next 3 games being on a short timeline etc etc)

 

Chao was the San Diego Chargers team doctor for many years and was somewhat controversial:

https://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2013/4/22/4251626/san-diego-chargers-doctor-david-chao-has-chaotic-past

is a pretty good summary

 

That doesn't mean Chao isn't genuinely very knowledgeable about football injuries, from years of diagnosing and treating NFL football players, but it does mean instead of doing injury analysis as a sideline to a thriving medical or PT practice, it's kind of become his main gig.  So he has a motivation to "milk" injury news to drive clicks, if that makes sense?  And also to try to make his opinion seem weightier and more definitive so more people will read it.

 

I don't want to sound like I'm dismissing their analysis, like I said, he is very knowledgeable about football injuries from almost 2 decades of treating (or mistreating, as the case may be) them.

Thanks Beck, GREAT info.  I see what you mean regarding his angle & always thought this was a side gig (he will often reference that his team is “between surgeries”.). Chao is a personable character, he has responded pretty quickly to some of my feed back that I sent.

      In stating the obvious, those closest to the situation (team docs & coaches) would be my point of reference.  McDermott’s “we will use common sense”, is more telling to me than docs watching film & opining. 

[Bongo]

35 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I didn't think Keenum looked that good during preseason.

 

It looked like he lost a lot of arm strength as his balls would flutter.

I usually only get this when I fart. Would lower his fiber intake.

Edited November 10, 2022 by Bongo

[ImpactCorey]

Can WGR hold off on the Tommy John Underwear commercials for a little bit?   They make me a little too twitchy right now.

[KHAN]

As to those making comments on Keenum in the pre-season. My recollection is:

 

Game 1: Played with backups and camp fodder against a starting defense. Not awesome.

 

Game 2: Followed Josh, and got a couple series with the starters, and moved the ball nicely.

 

Game 3: Played with mostly camp fodder against another starting defense. Not awesome.

 

Not sure how you could make much out of that either way. Are we saying Keenum sucks because he didn't elevate guys now working day jobs against NFL starters?

[HOUSE]

New record, 1800 rumors about an elbow

[MasterStrategist]

27 minutes ago, Mango said:

I started this post before I went into surgery and am finishing this in post op. People don’t do drugs because they suck.
 

I think the big variable in the decision making is will be what percent is Josh now, and what percentage will he be with how much rest. 
 

I actually asked my surgeon what he thought pre op. And he basically said something similar. He won’t get better if he plays on it. So they have to decide if whatever his status is is good enough to win a Super Bowl. He said he’d sit him for a week or two and try and at least get him at or over 90% and rolling with your QB being less than that was a risk. And by risk he meant that it would be tough to win a championship with a QB at 85%. 

Appreciate the info, and hopefully your surgery went well.

 

But this is the exact reason why the internet docs (ie: Chao, Banged up Bills, etc) information has to be taken as "good to know", but not gospel.  Nobody knows the exact nature of Josh's injury, except for those docs/trainers closely involved.  Trying to apply, well this happened with guy X in the past, so we should do Y and sit him for Z games/days. 

 

It's good to be educated on the health parameters/factors possibly being considered, but after that it's pure speciation even by the best doctor in the world (unless they evaluated Josh/imaging done).

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Warriorspikes51]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

significant?  expected. 

[PatsFanNH]

One question. Do you think the Bills Coach’s will have faith that the O line will stop the Vikings pass rush? I would think with an injury you would want Allen running less and less chance for someone taken a shot or even just yanking that elbow.. 

[HappyDays]

Pretty much what I expected.

[Canadian Bills Fan]

 

 

 

[Billever76]

1 hour ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I didn't think Keenum looked that good during preseason.

 

It looked like he lost a lot of arm strength as his balls would flutter.

It's bc we have been spoiled watching Allen throw the ball 😆 

[Big Turk]

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Pretty much what I expected.

 

Highly doubt a day-to-day player misses more than one game.