Josh Allen injury update(officially questionable - expected to start per Ian Rappaport)

[BillyBilliams]

1 minute ago, teef said:

it's so hard to even speculate at this point.  my assumption is that he'll likely sit.  this staff tends to be more on the cautious side, and if it's for a couple of game, i'm more than ok with that.  going into the playoffs with this team as healthy as possible would be my priority.  

i didn't know this.  

this also makes sense, which is why i would error on the side of sitting him out.  i just have no idea how long that would be. 2 games vs 6 games or the year?

 

I mean, if him getting hit in his arm would cause a full tear, what's the difference with him being fully healthy and potentially getting hit like that and getting a sprain to a tear?  If it's not a risk of making it worse by throwing the ball, I think they should let him decide of the pain can be tolerated.  I have heard it could affect the grip of the football and accuracy.  I say let him play, but if he clearly doesn't look right (throwing power and accuracy is greatly diminished), then you put Keenum in.  

[nucci]

1 minute ago, BillyBilliams said:

 

I mean, if him getting hit in his arm would cause a full tear, what's the difference with him being fully healthy and potentially getting hit like that and getting a sprain to a tear?  If it's not a risk of making it worse by throwing the ball, I think they should let him decide of the pain can be tolerated.  I have heard it could affect the grip of the football and accuracy.  I say let him play, but if he clearly doesn't look right (throwing power and accuracy is greatly diminished), then you put Keenum in.  

you need to know this before the game so Keenum can practice and prepare to play. 

[GunnerBill]

57 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Wording is important, and Rapsheet never said "slight tear".  He started by saying sprain, then slid in "tiny tear".  To me that's different as he was not reporting a tear, but a sprain.  

 

See the post above from Ian this am.  No mention of tear, just sprain.  Which as you said, and I agree with, there are variations...could be a tear, could just be "stretched" ligaments. 

 

Bottom line, let's not get all "doomsday" that Josh Allen will be compromise for remainder of season, like you said.  Maybe he sits out this week, maybe he guts it out.  It sounds more like a pain tolerance thing to me right now, as the Bills wouldn't be putting Allen out there with any risk of "tearing"/or making injury worse.  So to me it will be a positive if he's trying to play thru it, like reported, and likely pain tolerance.

 

 

 

The tweet from Ian does say "slight tear". I didn't watch the video, but if it is a slight tear it is a grade 2, by definition. 

 

Maybe I am doomsday about it.... but I'm sorry that is how I feel about it. I strongly suspect this compromises him for the rest of the year in some way and without him at full health we can't win the Superbowl. I get it, that's a glass half empty view. That is my honest feeling about it. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

5 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

I think McD says today that Allen is day to day, will be listed as questionable, game time decision, and out of the tunnel on Sunday starting at QB for the Bills will be…

 

Case Keenum.

 

😞

I think this is logical. 

 

I am wondering as we all probably are, how specific McDermott really gets with the diagnosis of the injury. 

 

Does he use the words tear, sprain, UCL. Or does he say something like there is irritation in the elbow, and then quickly get to Josh is questionable. 

[HappyDays]

25 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

The only detail we don't have a ton on, IMO, is can he make it worse by throwing on it? 

 

This is what Kyle Trimble (physical therapist, Banged Up Bills on Twitter) is saying:

 

 

[BillyBilliams]

2 minutes ago, nucci said:

you need to know this before the game so Keenum can practice and prepare to play. 

 

Allen is going to be limited this week.  So that means Keenum is going to get a lot of reps anyways.  That shouldn't be a problem.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

The tweet from Ian does say "slight tear". I didn't watch the video, but if it is a slight tear it is a grade 2, by definition. 

 

Maybe I am doomsday about it.... but I'm sorry that is how I feel about it. I strongly suspect this compromises him for the rest of the year in some way and without him at full health we can't win the Superbowl. I get it, that's a glass half empty view. That is my honest feeling about it. 

I don't see how this lines up. 

 

In 2018 he immediately had to leave the game, and there was no talk about "small tears" or sprains. 

 

He was quickly ruled out for 4-weeks, and when he came back, I don't remember him being limited. 

 

In fact, I remember Week 17, him tearing up the Dolphins as a precursor of what is to come. 

 

Worse case, he sits out 4 weeks, and we lose all 4 games without him. You're 6-6 with 5 games to go. Josh gives you a fighting chance. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

If there’s no actual risk of getting worse by playing, I’ll take a 65% Allen over 100% Keanum. We need to win these games.

[Rc2catch]

100 pages here we come!!!!!!! 

[1onemangang7]

6 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

If there’s no actual risk of getting worse by playing, I’ll take a 65% Allen over 100% Keanum. We need to win these games.

They can beat them with Keenum. At home. Not like it's the Jets defense.

[Negan]

Allen is starting Sunday, enough is enough, can't afford to sideline players anymore this season 

[Process]

15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The tweet from Ian does say "slight tear". I didn't watch the video, but if it is a slight tear it is a grade 2, by definition. 

 

Maybe I am doomsday about it.... but I'm sorry that is how I feel about it. I strongly suspect this compromises him for the rest of the year in some way and without him at full health we can't win the Superbowl. I get it, that's a glass half empty view. That is my honest feeling about it. 

What if we sit him for a few games and let it heal and he comes back 100%? How long does a slight tear in the UCL take to heal?

[Steptide]

7 minutes ago, Negan said:

Allen is starting Sunday, enough is enough, can't afford to sideline players anymore this season 

If they sit him out of caution, I will lose alot of confidence in this team. Unless Allen absolutely cannot play, he needs to start this game. It's not like the bills have a 4 game lead in the division 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

5 minutes ago, Process said:

What if we sit him for a few games and let it heal and he comes back 100%? How long does a slight tear in the UCL take to heal?

1-2 weeks is best case, 2-4 weeks is more likely if there is a tear.

 

That is what the sports doctors who have talked about this have said.

 

But the consistent speculation on this from the beginning is that this injury was not a severe as 2018, hence the playing through. 
 

 

[teef]

25 minutes ago, BillyBilliams said:

 

I mean, if him getting hit in his arm would cause a full tear, what's the difference with him being fully healthy and potentially getting hit like that and getting a sprain to a tear?  If it's not a risk of making it worse by throwing the ball, I think they should let him decide of the pain can be tolerated.  I have heard it could affect the grip of the football and accuracy.  I say let him play, but if he clearly doesn't look right (throwing power and accuracy is greatly diminished), then you put Keenum in.  

i think my question is what kind of trauma next would really damage the arm.  a slight hit?  i guess it all depends on the extent of damage today.  

[Beck Water]

6 minutes ago, Process said:

What if we sit him for a few games and let it heal and he comes back 100%? How long does a slight tear in the UCL take to heal?

 

well his rookie year, he was out 4 weeks

different body part but high ankle sprains or severe low ankle sprains seem to keep players out 2-4 weeks

[teef]

8 minutes ago, Process said:

What if we sit him for a few games and let it heal and he comes back 100%? How long does a slight tear in the UCL take to heal?

this is also my question.  is there a huge benefit to letting him sit for a few games?

[BillyBilliams]

Just now, teef said:

i think my question is what kind of trauma next would really damage the arm.  a slight hit?  i guess it all depends on the extent of damage today.  

 

I mean, the UCL is by the elbow joint.  The only hit I could personally see is something similar that got him hurt in the first place.

[Beck Water]

10 minutes ago, Negan said:

Allen is starting Sunday, enough is enough, can't afford to sideline players anymore this season 

 

That'd be great, you go visit the Bills locker room and inform Milano's oblique, Poyer's elbow, Tre's ACL, Rousseau's ankle, and Allen's elbow that they all better instantly become "football functional" because Negan says "enough is enough"

[BillyBilliams]

Personally, if we aren't going to use the running backs in the run or the pass, since we are throwing moderate to deep balls anyways, I'd say put the RB to the right of Josh and protect his right side, so his arm doesn't get hit like that again.