NFL Week #9 - 11/6/2022 - The Bills at the (NJ) Jets - Post Game thread

[BillsFan130]

Just now, UKBillFan said:

The offense’s chances? The defense got the ball back and we promptly returned it to the Jets.

The offence sucked today, that’s besides the point.

 

“Got the ball back” was also after a 9 minute drive, so that ties in with what im saying 

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said:

I hate the “they only gave up” argument.

 

Ok they let up 20 points.

 

three, 8 minute drives.

 

So of course that will limit the Jets scoring cause you’re content on letting them gash you with clock, but also you’re limiting the offences chances.

 

I would rather them play more aggressive and give up 24 points without those killer 7-8 minute drives against them

They did only give up 20 and Allen wasn’t good. That’s just enough to get you beat. I’d prefer to play more aggressive D vs QBs like Wilson because he isn’t very good. Pressure him and he’ll make mistakes. Lots of them. The passive D combined with Allen’s poor performance allowed the Jets to stick with a run game and not worry about time or keeping up. Bills should have gotten extremely aggressive on D in second half to generate big plays and takeaway opportunities . 

[UKBillFan]

Just now, BillsFan130 said:

The offence sucked today, that’s besides the point.

 

“Got the ball back” was also after a 9 minute drive, so that ties in with what im saying 

Therefore the offense needed to do the same. What was the score at the point? 17-10? Burn the clock, dink and dunk, keep the defense off the field and getting a proper break. I think the final drive by the Jets was because the defense was gassed. 
 

We were down Hyde, Milano, Poyer, White and, for much of the second half, Rousseau. The almost fully fit offense needed to help them out.

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

The offense’s chances? The defense got the ball back and we promptly returned it to the Jets.

The Bills D got one takeaway , way below the Jets usual performance on Offense. 

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

They did only give up 20 and Allen wasn’t good. That’s just enough to get you beat. I’d prefer to play more aggressive D vs QBs like Wilson because he isn’t very good. Pressure him and he’ll make mistakes. Lots of them. The passive D combined with Allen’s poor performance allowed the Jets to stick with a run game and not worry about time or keeping up. Bills should have gotten extremely aggressive on D in second half to generate big plays and takeaway opportunities . 

Ya exactly.

 

Like if they have this game plan/outcome on defence against the chiefs, I’m thrilled with it.

 

But to run a bend but don’t break defence against Zack Wilson who is horrible under pressure is just inexcusable.

[UKBillFan]

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

The Bills D got one takeaway , way below the Jets usual performance on Offense. 

And conceded 20 points, seven of those where the offense - well, Josh - basically handed them field position on a plate.

[Bob in STL]

4 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

Interception by Edmunds? Should we have challenged? At one point the Jets TE has arms extended on his back while 49 has the ball, then grabs for possession. May have been too hard to overturn? Just such a big play. 

 

No way you challenge.  Not enough on film to overturn it.  The call on the field has priority and by rule, the offense wins in a simultaneous possession. 

  

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:

Therefore the offense needed to do the same. What was the score at the point? 17-10? Burn the clock, dink and dunk, keep the defense off the field and getting a proper break. I think the final drive by the Jets was because the defense was gassed. 
 

We were down Hyde, Milano, Poyer, White and, for much of the second half, Rousseau. The almost fully fit offense needed to help them out.

The offence let them down sir, we are in agreement there.

 

The bills shouldn’t be playing a time of possession game against the Jets though.. 

 

Thats what underdogs want, not 11 point favourites 

[henry jones]

5 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

 

Giving up 20 on the road should have given us a win.   You could argue that the defense gave up 13 points and 7 points are directly related to the second Allen interception.   The offense does not sustain one single drive after their first 3 possessions.   The offense refuses to run, and lately they stopped throwing the much higher percentage short passes.  

 

Big plays happen when you can consistently make small plays, causing the opponents defense to cheat on what you are doing. 

 

The last two weeks Josh has checked down much less than he has in previous games.  They are throwing deep more, and they are not hitting the long ball enough to warrant that.  Take away his running game today and you have a guy with a 51.9 QBR.  

 

Final comment - if Josh is trying to make big plays, then he should target Diggs more.  Diggs was a forgotten man in the second half.  

Again…I never said Josh is blameless. He sucked as well as the game plan.  The defense hasn’t been helping.  Can’t score 50 every week

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said:

The offence let them down sir, we are in agreement there.

 

The bills shouldn’t be playing a time of possession game against the Jets though.. 

 

Thats what underdogs want, not 11 point favourites 

But that works both ways. If the offense dinked, dunked and burned the clock then we’re on control. It feels like we’ve abandoned that approach since the bye.

[henry jones]

6 minutes ago, CoudyBills said:

They gave up 20 to the chiefs

Yep.  Duh.  The Chiefs actually have a dynamic offense.  

[SoCal Deek]

8 minutes ago, henry jones said:

Can’t expect to score 50 every game.  The defense played admirably against a good KC offense.  Then put up back to back stinkers against terrible offensive teams.  Josh sucked today, but it’s not all on him

Sorry….but this was pretty much all in him. Today, anyway. 

[Royale with Cheese]

8 minutes ago, CoudyBills said:

They gave up 20 to the chiefs

Is 20 to the Chiefs not good?

[UKBillFan]

Just now, henry jones said:

Again…I never said Josh is blameless. He sucked as well as the game plan.  The defense hasn’t been helping.  Can’t score 50 every week

We didn’t need to score 50. Twenty one would have been enough.

 

 

[newcam2012]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

Can’t argue with it too much right now. It’s a problem because Allen looking human makes the Bills average to even slightly below at times. 

What sounds the alarm bells even more is the defense. They look to be very bad at stopping the run which was a clear strength early on. Also, teams are throwing the ball quickly and negating the Bills pass rush. The Bills defense is built to keep plays in front of them. The young secondary is getting exposed on short quick routes whether it's slants, screens, or quick outs. 

 

The Bills offense is out of sync. Thus far, Diggs is the only reliable offensive player on the team. The oline is just not that good. Thus far, teams are pressuring Allen and he's making mistakes. Frankly. Allen is making mistakes even when the pocket is clean. His vision and mechanics are way off now. Allen is the least of my worries. I think he will bounce back. However, the team needs to make adjustments on various levels and execute. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

The entire team absolutely sucked today but you punt that ball inside their 10, you absolutely do not let them score on that drive. Jesus Christ we should have had the ball back at midfield. Not only did we not, they ran the clock out and scored. That’s inexcusable. The offense was terrible but it was Zach Wilson. Get a ***** stop. 20 points to that offense isn’t good. Get up and make a stop with the game on the line 

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:

But that works both ways. If the offense dinked, dunked and burned the clock then we’re on control. It feels like we’ve abandoned that approach since the bye.

I guess we will agree to disagree.

 

When I’m the heavy favourite, I want as many possessions as possible and I want to challenge them into a shoot out, not a ground and pound time of possession game

 

 

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The entire team absolutely sucked today but you punt that ball inside their 10, you absolutely do not let them score on that drive. Jesus Christ we should have had the ball back at midfield. Not only did we not, they ran the clock out and scored. That’s inexcusable. The offense was terrible but it was Zach Wilson. Get a ***** stop. 20 points to that offense isn’t good. Get up and make a stop with the game on the line 

13 in reality. Not sure I really blame the defense for the touch down after the second INT.

[henry jones]

4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Sorry….but this was pretty much all in him. Today, anyway. 

I mean, no, but ok

[UKBillFan]

Just now, BillsFan130 said:

I guess we will agree to disagree.

 

When I’m the heavy favourite, I want as many possessions as possible and I want to challenge them into a shoot out, not a ground and pound time of possession game

 

 

But if Josh is off, as he was, then adapt. The only way we were going to win was pound and ground; don’t be too proud or egotistical to take it.