WotAGuy Posted November 4, 2022 Posted November 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: The finances and how well they are managed is huge. A lot of fans don't appreciate what Brandon Beane does. Also not appreciated is the Pegula's role in that. The Bills are $62M over the cap with cash this year. There is a large amount of NFL owners who wouldn't allow that to happen. Brandon pushes the financials without letting it turn into a negative. Do you have this info for all teams? Would like to see how the teams line up. 1 Quote
LittleSammy Posted November 4, 2022 Posted November 4, 2022 10 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: The finances and how well they are managed is huge. A lot of fans don't appreciate what Brandon Beane does. Also not appreciated is the Pegula's role in that. The Bills are $62M over the cap with cash this year. There is a large amount of NFL owners who wouldn't allow that to happen. Brandon pushes the financials without letting it turn into a negative. Poor Ralph Wilson, the old master of "cash to the cap", is probably rolling over in his grave with this $$ figure. 2 Quote
ColoradoBills Posted November 4, 2022 Posted November 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, WotAGuy said: Do you have this info for all teams? Would like to see how the teams line up. Spotrac has it for all teams. To do a huge comparison you have to sign up for their premium package. But if you want to see the Bills I will post below. Most fans only look at "cap space". In Spotrac you can toggle the drop down to show $ spent. I will post that. Cap is $208M and you can see the Bills spent $270M. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cash/ Here is the Spotrac Cap Tracker with all the teams listed. You will notice that when you click on the Cash Tracker Tab it asks for your login for Premium like I said above. I think next spring I'm signing up for the Premium package. I'm probably too much into this stuff, but I find it fascinating and want to see how Brandon handles next seasons signings. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/ 3 minutes ago, LittleSammy said: Poor Ralph Wilson, the old master of "cash to the cap", is probably rolling over in his grave with this $$ figure. He didn't have near the liquidity that the Pegula's offer the Bills. 3 3 Quote
WotAGuy Posted November 4, 2022 Posted November 4, 2022 10 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Spotrac has it for all teams. To do a huge comparison you have to sign up for their premium package. But if you want to see the Bills I will post below. Most fans only look at "cap space". In Spotrac you can toggle the drop down to show $ spent. I will post that. Cap is $208M and you can see the Bills spent $270M. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cash/ I appreciate all the time you took to do this. Thank you! 3 2 Quote
GunnerBill Posted November 4, 2022 Posted November 4, 2022 56 minutes ago, HappyDays said: What I appreciate about Beane is that he isn't just a good talent and salary cap GM, he's also a great representative of the team and city. After 20 years of clueless executives he is a breath of fresh air. And I imagine he'd be a good guy to sit abd have a beer or two with. You'd have a good couple of hours, a few drinks but then he'd call it quits at the right time and not be throwing up in the cab at 2am. 1 1 1 1 1 Quote
BillsShredder83 Posted November 4, 2022 Posted November 4, 2022 I dOnT uNdErStAnD wHy pPl LiKe tHe PmS 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted November 4, 2022 Posted November 4, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: The finances and how well they are managed is huge. A lot of fans don't appreciate what Brandon Beane does. Also not appreciated is the Pegula's role in that. The Bills are $62M over the cap with cash this year. There is a large amount of NFL owners who wouldn't allow that to happen. Brandon pushes the financials without letting it turn into a negative. This is a great point. So long as you have an owner willing to spend the cap is an accounting cap not a salary cap. Because every time you push money into later years two things happen: 1. That money in real terms becomes due now (changing future salary into amortised bonus) so your owner has to write that check; 2. The money you are pushing devalues from a cap perspective because the cap continues to inflate. So it makes cap sense to do it, but you need an owner willing to pony up the dollars. It is something that Green Bay for example rarely does because they don't have a rich owner to cut the cheque. Edited November 4, 2022 by GunnerBill Quote
ColoradoBills Posted November 4, 2022 Posted November 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: This is a great point. So long as you have an owner willing to spend the cap is an accounting cap not a salary cap. Because every time you push money into later years two things happen: 1. That money in real terms becomes due now (changing future salary into amortised bonus) so your owner has to write that check; 2. The money you are pushing devalues from a cap perspective because the cap continues to inflate. So it makes cap sense to do it, but you need an owner willing to pony up the dollars. It is something that Green Bay for example rarely does because they don't have a rich owner to cut the cheque. Totally true. But like everything in life, these moves come with a risk. Pushing that guaranteed money out only works if the player continues to perform or doesn't get injured. A very small example is what happened to Hyde this year. Micah converted over $5M this spring to free up money but he got injured. The team lost his services, so eventually a player like Marlowe had to be added. IF for some reason when Hyde starts next year on PUP and ends up not being able to play, the Bills would lose $7M instead of $2M in dead money, and the team loses his services, and has to add another player. This of course is magnified when you add a 1 or 2 in front of those numbers. 2 Quote
WotAGuy Posted November 4, 2022 Posted November 4, 2022 18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: This is a great point. So long as you have an owner willing to spend the cap is an accounting cap not a salary cap. Because every time you push money into later years two things happen: 1. That money in real terms becomes due now (changing future salary into amortised bonus) so your owner has to write that check; 2. The money you are pushing devalues from a cap perspective because the cap continues to inflate. So it makes cap sense to do it, but you need an owner willing to pony up the dollars. It is something that Green Bay for example rarely does because they don't have a rich owner to cut the cheque. Just a quick check, but the Bills are way above the cash spent by KC, Miami, Dallas and the few other contenders I looked at. Several teams are actually below the cap. 1 1 Quote
Buddo Posted November 4, 2022 Posted November 4, 2022 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: I love that he goes out and makes the no-brainer moves that we were sorely lacking in the drought years. It was obvious in 2019 that we needed a #1 WR so he gets Stefon Diggs. It was obvious in 2021 that we needed a top tier edge rusher so he gets Von Miller. It was obvious this year that we needed more explosiveness from our backfield so he gets Nyheim Hines. So many teams fail at the obvious things. And he's made all of these moves without shortening our Super Bowl window even a tiny bit. Like you said - stud. Not every move works out, but the relevant point is, that pretty much all of the stuff people around here think needs addressing, he actually tries to go and sort out. Not just the specific ones you mention above, in Diggs and Von Miller, but areas of perceived weakness, like the O-Line (at different times) etc. Now, we may have different perspectives on the actual players he goes and gets, but the point is, he goes and gets, for example, a Guard, or a WR, or (another) DB. Since 'cleaning house', rarely has a move he's made, not made sense, even if it hasn't always worked out. Quote
ColoradoBills Posted November 4, 2022 Posted November 4, 2022 8 minutes ago, WotAGuy said: Just a quick check, but the Bills are way above the cash spent by KC, Miami, Dallas and the few other contenders I looked at. Several teams are actually below the cap. It's a constant ebb and flow that each owner and GM work through. Some owners want the cash and cap to be as close as possible. Some (like the Pegula's) are more flexible. Also, this is only reflecting the cap versus how much cash was actually paid out but there is also escrow accounts that sometimes need to be managed. I admit I'm not up on those working as much, but an example is Watson's contract. It's fully guaranteed but the Browns owner had to add money to an escrow account to prove he could pay. Beane spent a lot of cash this year and the Pegula's were OK with it. It also shows the team is "all in" to the future years too. 1 Quote
folz Posted November 4, 2022 Posted November 4, 2022 Beane has been truthful and as transparent as he can be (without giving away strategy, as he said) since DAY ONE. I have always appreciated that. What a breath of fresh air that has been from the Whaley, Brandon, Donahoe days. And not only is he one of the best in the league at his job (Big Baller), but he does sh$t like this: We are very lucky! It is not often that a team has a super-star GM, Coach, and QB, who are also great people that you want to root for. Go Bills! 9 2 Quote
ColoradoBills Posted November 4, 2022 Posted November 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, folz said: Beane has been truthful and as transparent as he can be (without giving away strategy, as he said) since DAY ONE. I have always appreciated that. What a breath of fresh air that has been from the Whaley, Brandon, Donahoe days. And not only is he one of the best in the league at his job (Big Baller), but he does sh$t like this: We are very lucky! It is not often that a team has a super-star GM, Coach, and QB, who are also great people that you want to root for. Go Bills! With the Pegula's, Beane and McDermott I do not take any of these day for granted. These are "the good ole days"! 3 2 Quote
BADOLBILZ Posted November 4, 2022 Posted November 4, 2022 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: What I appreciate about Beane is that he isn't just a good talent and salary cap GM, he's also a great representative of the team and city. After 20 years of clueless executives he is a breath of fresh air. It's been longer than 20 years. John Butler was an excellent scout but that dude was terrible at caponomics and even worse at selling the team to the fans. He'd get on his TV show with that white snot in the corners of his mouth and talk about how he didn't care if fans showed up or not. The Bills have always needed an executive style GM first and foremost because their owners have always been bad or green at running a football team itself, let alone football operations. He fit that bill right off the bat and has gradually grown into the scouting/personnel aspect. 3 Quote
BillsShredder83 Posted November 4, 2022 Posted November 4, 2022 56 minutes ago, WotAGuy said: Just a quick check, but the Bills are way above the cash spent by KC, Miami, Dallas and the few other contenders I looked at. Several teams are actually below the cap. Where do you find that? Would love to see that list? My understanding is you want an owner willing to do this, but probably don't want to be at the very top of the list, as that likely signals REAL cap problems down the road? Something you'd ideally want to be between #5 - #10ish? Quote
WotAGuy Posted November 4, 2022 Posted November 4, 2022 36 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: Where do you find that? Would love to see that list? My understanding is you want an owner willing to do this, but probably don't want to be at the very top of the list, as that likely signals REAL cap problems down the road? Something you'd ideally want to be between #5 - #10ish? See post above by @ColoradoBills where he posted links to the Bills cash total. You can select other individual teams and see their individual numbers. You can’t pull up a combined list however. Quote
Chandler#81 Posted November 4, 2022 Author Posted November 4, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, 17islongenough said: Is there another GM that does this much press? He knows how to do his job and gives very intelligent answers. He actually doesn’t/hasn’t done a lot of press conferences to date. I recall often wishing we heard more from him while admiring his efforts from afar. He’s been significantly more public this year and we’re all grateful. It’s a delicate balance though between GM & HC as to whom is the voice piece. There’ve been many ‘bad marriages’ throughout the years, across the League. Kim & Terry Pegula’s Buffalo Bills have been exactly what this die-hard fan has dreamed of for 6+ decades. I’m finally even enjoying the once proud Sabres! But, I’m getting more concerned about Kim’s well being with each passing week. Not so much that information isn’t being made available, just that she’s been such a public figure and icon of the team and city. I miss her greatly. 😞 Get Well SOON, Kim! Edited November 4, 2022 by Chandler#81 7 5 Quote
Saxum Posted November 4, 2022 Posted November 4, 2022 3 hours ago, JoeF said: Thank you Kim and Terry Pegula!!! And Coach McD who of course recommended him. Their response to Coach McD: "We really wanted Beane to be GM and best way to get him was to hire you." Quote
ndirish1978 Posted November 4, 2022 Posted November 4, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Warcodered said: Was that a random Dion Dawkins scootering through the shot? Yes it was Edited November 4, 2022 by ndirish1978 5 Quote
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