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1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

2010 Buffalo was pretty bad:

 

Spiller

Troup

Carrington

Marcus Easley

Ed Wang

Arthur Moats
Danny Batten

Levi Brown

Kyle Calloway

 

and 2011 was horrible as well.

 

2010 - 2016 were complete wastes.

 

 

 

Every time I think of the 2010 draft and look at Torell Troup, I'm reminded that Rob Gronkowski was picked next.

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3 hours ago, Watkins101 said:

Maybe it was horrible, and stand-alone it’s a pretty bad sequence of events. But Maybe they get a franchise QB from the pick next year and it ends up working out for them. Many people said similar things when the bills traded the pick where Pat Mahomes was taken, until Allen proved himself in this league, and the trade looks like a win for both parties now. 
 

My point isn’t that the trade resulting from picking Chubb at 5 will beat out on drafting Allen at 5, but the story has not been fully written yet. 
 

Also, there have been many worse returns than a 1st after 4 years of play for a top 5 pick. Take Baker Mayfield from the same draft, who went 1 OA, then traded him for scraps to Carolina. 

Remember, they traded their first for Russ. The first they just got is the 49ers 1st, which will be pretty late. So them sucking this year only gets the Seahawks a better pick. 

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3 hours ago, st pete gogolak said:

OK, maybe not the absolute worst in NFL history but they are sitting at #5 in a supposedly historic QB class and their QB is Case Keenum.  Not only do they not draft Josh Allen but they turn down a trade with the Bills because they absolutely, positively have to have Bradley Chubb at #5.  They churn through Keenum, Paxton Lynch and Drew Lock and decide they are a QB away from the Super Bowl and give the farm away for what looks like a washed Russell Wilson.  The cherry on top is now trading Chubb for a #1.  What a frickin' disaster.  


go look at a few raiders drafts fro a couple years back. They would have loved the broncos draft. 
 

 

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1 hour ago, MJS said:

At the time it was seen as a good pick.

 

And that’s all you can fairly go by. At least it was a premium position, and he IS a good player. I will say, I’d rather have the first five cheap years. We are on the brink, so I love the Von signing. This is like the Dolphins signing Mario Williams. Yeah! Then bye, bye. 

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3 hours ago, co_springs_billsfan said:

How about the Saints trading all of this for Ricky Williams:

 

1999 - 1st (12th Overall)

1999 - 3rd

1999 - 4th

1999 - 5th

1999 - 6th

1999 - 7th

2000 - 1st (2nd Overall)

2000 - 3rd

Ditka was quite strident. Acted like he getting Gale Sayers plus Walter Payton in one player.

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There were some circumstances around that 2018 draft for Denver you need to understand

 

Denver at that time, and up until just this year, was being run by a trust.  They had just come off a losing season under Vance Joseph and Elway the GM, was looking to make a coaching change.  he wanted to bring back Mike Shanahan.  However, the trust wouldn't allow it, and didn't want to be paying Joseph and others not to be coaching.  Elway was kind of painted into the corner of giving Vance Joseph another year, along with an ultimatum to win or be fired.  Joseph had already been stuck with Paxton Lynch (I have a very interesting story about the drafting of Lynch that involves the Chiefs, Cowboys, and Roger Goodell...tampering)  ...Joseph requested a vet QB and so they signed Keenum.  He wasn't "already there".  Having signed Keenum, Denver wasn't really in teh QB market....the coach was fighting to keep his job and would not have been interested in taking a QB and would not have been interested in developing that QB...so at 5 they took Chubb.  A highly rated, ready to go right now, pass rusher.

 

It may very well have been different if Elway got to hire Shanahan and they would have then been in the QB market and may well have taken Allen, ready to develop him and with the luxury of being a new regime, and expedrience regime...it might have worked out there.  As it was, they weren't at point where it would have made sense for them.  

 

Imagine what might have happend if Elway went ahead and drafted Allen, gave him to that coach, who got fired anyhow, and then moved on to another coaching staff that had no ties to Allen.

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16 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

There were some circumstances around that 2018 draft for Denver you need to understand

 

Denver at that time, and up until just this year, was being run by a trust.  They had just come off a losing season under Vance Joseph and Elway the GM, was looking to make a coaching change.  he wanted to bring back Mike Shanahan.  However, the trust wouldn't allow it, and didn't want to be paying Joseph and others not to be coaching.  Elway was kind of painted into the corner of giving Vance Joseph another year, along with an ultimatum to win or be fired.  Joseph had already been stuck with Paxton Lynch (I have a very interesting story about the drafting of Lynch that involves the Chiefs, Cowboys, and Roger Goodell...tampering)  ...Joseph requested a vet QB and so they signed Keenum.  He wasn't "already there".  Having signed Keenum, Denver wasn't really in teh QB market....the coach was fighting to keep his job and would not have been interested in taking a QB and would not have been interested in developing that QB...so at 5 they took Chubb.  A highly rated, ready to go right now, pass rusher.

 

It may very well have been different if Elway got to hire Shanahan and they would have then been in the QB market and may well have taken Allen, ready to develop him and with the luxury of being a new regime, and expedrience regime...it might have worked out there.  As it was, they weren't at point where it would have made sense for them.  

 

Imagine what might have happend if Elway went ahead and drafted Allen, gave him to that coach, who got fired anyhow, and then moved on to another coaching staff that had no ties to Allen.

It worked out for Allen. That would have been a sucky situation to be in. Allen got to come here and have stability. Of course, he had virtually no offensive talent around him, but at least he had a stable front office and coaches committed to his development.

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Broncos passed on Allen a year after Bills traded out of the Mahomes spot (with Taylor as QB). It happens. Sutton and Jewel are still productive players for them. Chubb was good when healthy and fetched them another 1st. Not awful.

Posted
3 hours ago, Chicharito said:

The year when buffalo picked maybin was the worst draft in nfl history by a team. 


That was a solid draft outside of Maybin. 2016 was worse.

Posted
5 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

This would be an interesting topic: name the Buffalo Bills worst draft. For me, it’s 2000. 
 

Only Sammy Morris amounted to anything and that wasn’t much. Leif Larsen was picked 5 slots before Tom Brady. Dark times.

 

The 2014, 2015, 2016 Bills drafts were arguably as bad, if not worse.

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5 hours ago, co_springs_billsfan said:

How about the Saints trading all of this for Ricky Williams:

 

1999 - 1st (12th Overall)

1999 - 3rd

1999 - 4th

1999 - 5th

1999 - 6th

1999 - 7th

2000 - 1st (2nd Overall)

2000 - 3rd

Just watched a YouTube documentary on this. 🤣🤣🤣 Ditka was smoking something for sure

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