Bills trade for Nyheim Hines

[NoSaint]

9 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I think too many fans are taking the Spotrac "Market Value" of $5.3M per on a 3-year deal as cut in stone.

I'm on Spotrac a lot and they can be a good basis for a player's value.  I can also say that when it comes to RBs they can

be off by a lot compared to other positions.  I personally I see that number lower.

 

Another thing that's brutal is this.  If Motor's touches are reduced, for whatever reason going forward this year, I can see

that number going down even further than I currently estimate.  When it comes to a RB 2nd contract, it's seeming to me it's all

about the guaranteed money and how it is structured.

 

Then again, lots of GMs want players from the top teams and pay crazy for the chance to get them.  I have to believe that whatever

Beane would offer (if an offer is given) will make Motor test the market.  Another reason for the Hines trade, IMO.

there are just soooo many running back options on the market next year. A huge number. Will be hard to project how free agency will shake out. 

[1st&ten]

He looks pretty fast in the youtube video.

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

53 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:

Could be pass protection.

 

McDermott also made a comment about his practice habits. 

 

For whatever reason they've made it clear with their actions all season long they don't trust him yet to have a major role in the offense.

 

Come January they want players on the field they know they can trust, not "well I hope he grows into it by then."

 

They can still be excited about his long term prognosis.

If that’s true then why was Zack Moss ever on the field for the Bills.

 

But I guess that’s how you get to Frank Gore playing over Singletary in a Playoff game or Emmanuel Sanders starting over Gabe Davis. 

[ArtVandalay]

He's a perfect fit for this offense.  Football especially is about finding the right players to fit your system. 

 

He's spent his career in Colts teams with old statue QBs and teams stacking the run. He now moves to an offense that faces the most light boxes in the league (our just about) surg a mobile QB. He's going to have so much more open space its not funny. The mismatches splitting him out are going to be a nightmare. 

 

This is going to give teams fits covering him out of the backfield while ALSO accounting for Allen's running ability. 

 

He's so much more athletic than Singletary its not funny, and he's ready for a major pass catching roles unlike Cook.

 

Although Hines is a bit player, he's the perfect bit player for this offense and we were missing this role.  Blazing fast receiving back. 

 

 

 

My goodness, add this to the mix???

 

He's not a star, but he's a role player that plays a specific role as well as you can. 4.38 speed. 

[Beck Water]

49 minutes ago, finn said:

What did he say about his practice habits?

 

The reporter said he wanted to ask about James Cook, who had a really productive game on less than 10 touches in that game.  Asked what did you think of his performance and how much trust has Cook built with you after his work in practice and now what he's putting on tape in games?  (one of those "leading questions" that imply the desired answer)

 

McD said he's had a "normal rookie start" with highs and lows and he's pushed through it and his teammates have helped him.  Went on to say, that what Cook has done best, is that his practice habits have improved and that he's carried that over to games..that he's starting to see that every little detail matters and that the results come from the margins in such a close and highly competitive game that we play, that you've got to be on your game every week and you've got to prepare that way every day. 

 

Cook had a very productive game - 76 yds from scrimmage on 5 carries and 1 reception, but I don't quite think that was the endorsement or praise that was expected but whaddo I know.

Edited November 2, 2022 by Beck Water

[finn]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Let's not kid ourselves. Our OL isn't going to suddenly learn how to run block. If I have a faster, more reliable rb to throw checkdowns to, sign me up. We have to incorporate more RB throws as part of our "run game".

Especially if teams continue to take away the deep ball. The Bills seem to realize that they're good deep, but the short game depends on Singletary, who's reliable but not explosive, McKenzie, who is adequate at best, and two rookies. That's ok but not great, and Allen would have needed to continue running more than the team wants. Picking up a reliable, explosive veteran to upgrade a key part of the short game for a sixth-round pick and a player on the inactive list sounds like a good plan. 

[ArtVandalay]

1 hour ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

That’s illegal 

No one will expect it. 

[Hsker4life]

This trade is given a B+ grade for Buffalo, which is the 2nd highest grade out of any other deal. 
 

The highest grade was an A-, given to Denver for what they received in exchange for Chubb.
 

 

https://www.nfl.com/_amp/nfl-trade-grades-judging-2022-deadline-deals

[NoSaint]

1 minute ago, finn said:

Especially if teams continue to take away the deep ball. The Bills seem to realize that they're good deep, but the short game depends on Singletary, who's reliable but not explosive, McKenzie, who is adequate at best, and two rookies. That's ok but not great, and Allen would have needed to continue running more than the team wants. Picking up a reliable, explosive veteran to upgrade a key part of the short game for a sixth-round pick and a player on the inactive list sounds like a good plan. 

yup- great horizontal speed underneath and can turn vertical quickly. 

[Scott7975]

46 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Wow.  That would be One Quick Study.

 

 

I imagine it would mostly be punt returns.  Maybe a couple package plays for him.  Doesnt take much to learn that.

[Tanoros]

38 minutes ago, ChevyVanMiller said:

Shouldn’t there have to be a TD to call it the Jet Sweep TD?

I believe he is referencing the jet sweep td by McKenzie in the Packers game. The jet sweep in the video by Hines has a similar look, Eric’s trying to say Hines might be doing some McKenzie stuff. 

[Mango]

3 hours ago, vincec said:

Isn’t Hines salary twice Singletarys? That seems unsustainable for a backup RB / role player. Feels like a 1 year rental.

Oh good call. Unsure if Spotrac isn’t updated, but they are reporting zero dead money the next two years. 

[Big Turk]

3 hours ago, vincec said:

Isn’t Hines salary twice Singletarys? That seems unsustainable for a backup RB / role player. Feels like a 1 year rental.

 

Agree...I don't see the Bills paying that much for an RB and if they were to do that, I would be surprised if they didn't give that money to Singletary and draft another RB.

[ColoradoBills]

26 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

there are just soooo many running back options on the market next year. A huge number. Will be hard to project how free agency will shake out. 

 

Someone recently posted that (it may have been you) so I went onto Spotrac and I was shocked.  After I saw that I started to think Motor

may sign a team friendly contract to avoid that mess.  Now with the Hines trade I'm totally unsure about all this RB stuff.

Like you said, how it "shakes out" in the whole league is anyone's guess.

[Captain Hindsight]

39 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

6 fumbles in 5 years?

That’s more than I’ve had. We should be worried 😧

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

1 hour ago, PayDaBill$ said:

I don’t think this acquisition has anything to do with Cook.  I see it as serving multiple purposes.

 

1. Swapped for a seldom used & bad fit - Moss.

2. Special teams PR / KR

3. Insurance if DS should become injured.

4. Allows Dorsey to give DS a blow occasionally or use these backs in any combo for a new offensive wrinkle.

Beane & McD love high character hard nosed guys.

 

 

 

I totally agree and now we have Singletary, Cook and Hines who can all catch out of the backfield but the speed of Hines has to make our OC salivate a little bit. I don't feel like this was a trust issue with Cook as he seemed to be getting the ball more and making the most of his touches imo.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Long day at work

 

Nice job by Beane.  Traded away a guy that was going to get cut at the end of the year for a player that may produce this year.  Well done.  

[JerseyBills]

14 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Agree...I don't see the Bills paying that much for an RB and if they were to do that, I would be surprised if they didn't give that money to Singletary and draft another RB.

Absolutely.  They must not trust the rookie Cook and get rid of a useless RB in Moss and a 6th rder for a legit RB2 in a SB or Bust year. 

Likely a half year rental but I agree that Cook can't be trusted in big moments, with his early fumbles. Might as well grab a vet and not risk it

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

he’s good insurance in case of injury at RB

 

I think he's good insurance at a couple of positions in case of injury.  We'll see how it plays out as Hines gets integrated into the offense.  I think he'll start out receiving punts, and then work his way into a solid role on offense, possibly about the same as the 30% of the snaps he saw in Indy but with more touches there.

 

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

I genuinely think it’s as much about mckenzie as cook if talking about what “hole” they may be trying to fill. 
kick returner? Check. 
slot receiver capable of a pretty full route tree? Yup.

3rd down back and potential gadget runner? Sure thing. 
Plus if a back is hurt they have a vet that can pick up slack in a more traditional role.

 

TBH I think both of these moves (Hines and Marlowe) are about depth after injuries plus a hedge against rookies that may not have won much trust yet with the coaches as with the fans.

 

I think the hole they need to fill on offense is actually Crowders - the guy with the broken bone?

 

Starting the season, the Bills had McKenzie and Crowder splitting snaps in the slot, with McKenzie the "You Will Eat Dust" guy and Crowder the "I will find space and get open" guy.  They had Crowder receiving punts.

 

I think they're not 100% sold on Shakir fielding punts.  He's gone back for 8 in 3 games, with 3 wave-offs and a semi-muff that left us at the 4 yd line vs KC, then 1 nice return and 3 FC.  That's a mixed bag.   McDermott doesn't have the "EASY" button to push and put Hyde at PR this season.

 

After Shakir got a start with McKenzie out, he seems to have gone back to his earlier snap count of ~25% of offensive snaps (McK getting about 50%).  I could be wrong, but I think a significant number of Shakir's snaps have been outside with Diggs in the slot and against more physical DBs I don't think that went too well.

 

Anyway, Crowder's is the vacant role, Shakir has been filling it, and I don't think the Bills want to count on his development to be on the pace they need. 

 

Time will tell and I could be wrong.

Edited November 2, 2022 by Beck Water

[HerdMentality]

What's the condition that turns this into a 5th rounder?? I'm going to assume it converts.