Bills trade for Nyheim Hines

[Straight Hucklebuck]

2 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

This tells me the Bills do not believe Cook can do what they want from a pass catching RB this year, so they went and got a more proven (and more expensive) veteran to fill that role. They probably hoped they wouldn’t have to make a move like this when the season started.

 

It doesn’t mean they’ve written him off forever, but we’re trying to win the Super Bowl this year and can’t sit around waiting for him to figure it out.

The Bills will never tell you why, but assume this is true, I don’t know how any regular fan could deduce that the Bills would be waiting for Cook to develop when he’s produced good numbers when given more than 1-snap a game. 
 

He had 76 yards on 6 touches the other night not in garbage time. 

10 minutes ago, vincec said:

I agree, he looks redundant. Only explanation to me is that they don’t think Singletary is very good in the passing game and they don’t think Cook is ready yet, so they rent Hines for one season to help with the SB run then figure it out from there.

And the two in the backfield wouldn’t be the staple, I was just thinking as a wrinkle.

 

Another wrinkle would be Hines and Cook wide, with Singletary in the backfield, a lot Motions you could do.

 

But I see your point, McKenzie or Shakir in the slot is more dangerous, but then you’re right back to dump off passes. 

[NoSaint]

12 minutes ago, vincec said:

I agree, he looks redundant. Only explanation to me is that they don’t think Singletary is very good in the passing game and they don’t think Cook is ready yet, so they rent Hines for one season to help with the SB run then figure it out from there.

I bet he steals more snaps from mckenzie than he does singletary (or cook)

 

return guy, slot receiver and some rushes sprinkled in?

Edited November 2, 2022 by NoSaint

[BuffaloRebound]

Hynes is more explosive than Singletary or Cook.  I like the move but please stop drafting RB’s early.  

[ColoradoBills]

25 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

no you said it’s ludicrous they don’t trust cook yet. 
 

yet everything they have done demonstrates they don’t trust cook yet.

 

and then of course you saying wait for next year even reinforces that you don’t trust cook yet. 
 

😂 🙄 

 

I said "wait until next year" as a way to prove to us fans, if they do or don't.

Listen, we are fans speculating about what a football team's staff thinks about a player.

You see it one way and I see it another.  

As for me, I see no evidence whatsoever that the team has thrown in the towel on their 2nd round RB in 7 games.

 

[finn]

6 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

This tells me the Bills do not believe Cook can do what they want from a pass catching RB this year, so they went and got a more proven (and more expensive) veteran to fill that role. They probably hoped they wouldn’t have to make a move like this when the season started.

 

It doesn’t mean they’ve written him off forever, but we’re trying to win the Super Bowl this year and can’t sit around waiting for him to figure it out.

Right. This allows Cook to watch and learn from a veteran playing the role he will play next year. 

 

A shame he isn't ready. But that's how it breaks sometimes. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Aurelius]

58 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

He is incredibly quick and shifty. He might not outrace you for 60 yards, but he can make guys miss in the hole. The guys who can do both are rare and special. 

His acceleration is disgusting though, which is where he beats you.  

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

2 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

The Bills will never tell you why, but assume this is true, I don’t know how any regular fan could deduce that the Bills would be waiting for Cook to develop when he’s produced good numbers when given more than 1-snap a game. 
 

He had 76 yards on 6 touches the other night not in garbage time. 

Could be pass protection.

 

McDermott also made a comment about his practice habits. 

 

For whatever reason they've made it clear with their actions all season long they don't trust him yet to have a major role in the offense.

 

Come January they want players on the field they know they can trust, not "well I hope he grows into it by then."

 

They can still be excited about his long term prognosis.

[John from Riverside]

I keep on hearing it talked about and I just don’t understand it what rule is there in football that you can’t have more than one good running back that does the same things

 

A fast running back that can catch and is a take it all the way threat fits this all fence perfectly there’s no reason to only have one

 

For the people wanting the bills to trade for a bell cow back or off fence doesn’t work that way

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I said "wait until next year" as a way to prove to us fans, if they do or don't.

Listen, we are fans speculating about what a football team's staff thinks about a player.

You see it one way and I see it another.  

As for me, I see no evidence whatsoever that the team has thrown in the towel on their 2nd round RB in 7 games.

 

thrown in a towel? What part of “DONT TRUST YET” = surrender towel? 
 

the fact they traded for a guy that is essentially a proven more experienced cook, kind sorta means they don’t trust cook yet. 

Edited November 2, 2022 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[EmotionallyUnstable]

13 minutes ago, vincec said:

Sacrilege!

Didn’t Brieda wear it? He has the bad juju now. 

[finn]

7 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:

McDermott also made a comment about his practice habits. 

 

What did he say about his practice habits?

[YoloinOhio]

 

[NoSaint]

4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I keep on hearing it talked about and I just don’t understand it what rule is there in football that you can’t have more than one good running back that does the same things

 

A fast running back that can catch and is a take it all the way threat fits this all fence perfectly there’s no reason to only have one

 

For the people wanting the bills to trade for a bell cow back or off fence doesn’t work that way

 

he’s good insurance in case of injury at RB

 

but if you recall the off-season chatter was about him spending more time with the receivers than the backs in Indy. 
 

I genuinely think it’s as much about mckenzie as cook if talking about what “hole” they may be trying to fill. 
 

kick returner? Check. 

slot receiver capable of a pretty full route tree? Yup.

 

3rd down back and potential gadget runner? Sure thing. 
 

Plus if a back is hurt they have a vet that can pick up slack in a more traditional role. 

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

 

exhibit a in the point I’m trying to make 

[ColoradoBills]

4 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

thrown in a towel? What part of “DONT TRUST YET” = surrender towel? 
 

the fact they traded for a guy that is essentially a proven more experienced cook, kind sorta means they don’t trust cook yet. 

 

Technically I said, "they must not trust Cook".  You have added the yet.  I don't want to argue with a fellow Bills fan over an opinion.

 

The only way to judge it fairly is to see if Cook's touches get less, more or stay the same now that Hines is on the team.

Let's see what happens in the next few weeks.  Are you good with that?

[Beck Water]

1 minute ago, K-9 said:

I see no reason why Singletary has to be let go, either. But it’s not gonna be up to us as he’s an UFA after the season. If he asks for the moon, I can see Beane being reluctant to meet his demands.

 

Serious question: do you see Singletary getting "the moon" in terms of a contract from another team?

It's not his fault that he's been a 10-11 A/G back with the Bills and has had limited touches.  But his best season was last season with 1000+ yds/scrimmage.

What's the going rate for that on a second contract? 

 

This sounds brutal, but a lot of the NFL (including the Bills next year) run on the "Stars and JAGs" model.  The salary cap combined with astronomical star salaries means the "middle class" of NFL teams - very solid reliable players who contribute consistently - doesn't have a lot of cash left on the table to feed them.

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Technically I said, "they must not trust Cook".  You have added the yet.  I don't want to argue with a fellow Bills fan over an opinion.

 

The only way to judge it fairly is to see if Cook's touches get less, more or stay the same now that Hines is on the team.

Let's see what happens in the next few weeks.  Are you good with that?

no that’s ludicrous 😉 

 

 

eh ok…. Let’s see what happens 

[PayDaBill$]

I don’t think this acquisition has anything to do with Cook.  I see it as serving multiple purposes.

 

1. Swapped for a seldom used & bad fit - Moss.

2. Special teams PR / KR

3. Insurance if DS should become injured.

4. Allows Dorsey to give DS a blow occasionally or use these backs in any combo for a new offensive wrinkle.

Beane & McD love high character hard nosed guys.

 

 

Edited November 2, 2022 by PayDaBill$

[Beck Water]

34 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

That’s illegal 

 

Only if they don't set before the snap.

Up to 4 can be in motion provided they all set before the snap and only 1 is in motion at the snap

[K-9]

6 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

he’s good insurance in case of injury at RB

 

but if you recall the off-season chatter was about him spending more time with the receivers than the backs in Indy. 
 

I genuinely think it’s as much about mckenzie as cook if talking about what “hole” they may be trying to fill. 
 

kick returner? Check. 

slot receiver capable of a pretty full route tree? Yup.

 

3rd down back and potential gadget runner? Sure thing. 
 

Plus if a back is hurt they have a vet that can pick up slack in a more traditional role. 

exhibit a in the point I’m trying to make 

All great points here. 
 

But regardless of whatever holes Hines might address or not, I think Dorsey wants to create an entirely new dimension for his offense. I think that explains the interest in certain types of RBs like McKissic, McCaffery, and Kamara.