NFL messing up a good thing (Pat McAfee)

[NoSaint]

2 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 It's not just the logos. Part of what they paid for was showing highlights, NFL just told them they can't pause highlights when showing them. Not showing logos, in a way I get that part, but not being able to pause a highlight when you paid good money to be able to show highlights, seems way over the top to me.

 

 

I’m sure the contract was over the top specific on these terms and the nfl has to enforce their terms to protect their copyrights… but it’s not a great look for them on the publicity front 

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

Not a silly opinion. It is Capitalism. You want to profit of NFL materials PAY THE FEES. 
 

just that easy. All broadcasters do. So take some of your 30M a year made selling gambling to people that cannot afford it and send the fees for use of the logos. Or don’t. But crying about it ***** off 

Do you give away your ***** for FREE? 

Right the NFL is free to ***** around with them on this issue if they want just like McAfee is now free to bury them on it every time it comes up on his show.

Edited November 1, 2022 by Warcodered

[Donuts and Doritos]

Wonder if since other media outlets (Fox, ESPN etc) all have to pay for the rights to do this, they have to make Pat pay too? Otherwise those folks will threaten to stop paying. (It's like a copyright, if you don't enforce it you no longer have it). This is just speculation on my part as to why the NFL is doing this. 

[Coffeesforclosers]

11 minutes ago, extrahammer said:

All this is is the NFL saying "Hey you make a lot of money talking about our product and we want more $ from you." Sucks and I do think Pat has helped younger audiences be more NFL fans, I think he has the best show that covers the NFL today. But NFL owners only care about one thing and it's why they're all billionaires... cash. 

 

The phrase "pick your battles" comes to mind. This sounds like a really short sighted flex thats in danger of turning a profitable relationship into a liability. 

Edited November 1, 2022 by Coffeesforclosers

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, NoSaint said:

I’m sure the contract was over the top specific on these terms and the nfl has to enforce their terms to protect their copyrights… but it’s not a great look for them on the publicity front 

 

Absolutely. All of these details were in the contract. And I get it. Major networks like ESPN have to abide by all the details and rules. If McAfee wants to make the money and play with the big guys, he needs to run his business appropriately.

 

But... It's just silly, and a short-sighted business move, for the NFL to not grant it's best marketer some leeway. Especially on that format.

[Motorin']

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

MILLIONS of businesses give away their products for free in exchange for positive feedback and marketing.  McAfees show portrays the nfl in a positive light 99.99a% of the time.  
 

i get what you’re saying and I agree that they deserve to get paid….and they are.  4M a year.  But the nfl would rather make more money at the expense of one of their biggest supporters.  Eager to see how the show attacks this.  

 

As someone who deals with licensing, and branding everyday in my line of work I actually think Pat is in the wrong here. 

 

Being able to use NFL team logos in content you generate for your show isn't the same thing as paying a licensing fee for footage. 

 

The deals that the networks pay to show games and highlights is orders of magnitude more than what Pat is paying for highlights, and most certainly includes logo usage.

 

How much do you think the NFL would charge for you to put team logos on shirts and sell them? And do you think you would be able to do that if you paid a licensing fee for highlight footage?

 

When Pat's show uses team logos in the graphics they generate, it's original content that they are creating for a show that generates them millions of dollars. 

 

So there should be an additional fee for logo usage. 

 

But where I think Pat is really running into dangerous territory is when he threatened to focus on untold NFL liability due to CTE in a way to damage the NFL. 

 

If he knows about underhanded practices by the NFL and hasn't said anything bc he's profiting off of the sport, but only threatens to spill the beans when his bottom line is effected, he's looks like a slime ball imo. 

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

The phrase "pick your battles" comes to mind. This sounds like a really short sighted flex thats in danger of turning a profitable relationship into a liability. 

The problem with the NFL has long been that they're so ridiculously popular they can afford to be short sighted, and this is yet another example.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

Wonder if since other media outlets (Fox, ESPN etc) all have to pay for the rights to do this, they have to make Pat pay too? Otherwise those folks will threaten to stop paying. (It's like a copyright, if you don't enforce it you no longer have it). This is just speculation on my part as to why the NFL is doing this. 

 

Yes. Everyone pays the NFL a BUTTLOAD of money for an ever-decreasing amount of highlights and access.

 

Ever since the league launched their own channel, NFLN, they have been cutting access and increasing prices in order to push viewers to NFLN.

 

That is why ESPN coverage of the NFL has nose-dived compared to the 90s of classic NFL Primetime. ESPN is only allowed to show the extensive highlights on Primetime on their ESPN+ app, not on cable TV.

 

That kind of stuff.

[Motorin']

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

The problem with the NFL has long been that they're so ridiculously popular they can afford to be short sighted, and this is yet another example.

 

McAfee is the one being short sighted threatening to disclose NFL secrets about CTE in retaliation for having the logos pulled. 

 

And if he knows of liability around CTE and has kept his mouth shut, but is threatening to damage the NFL over a logo despite, I don't know how he looks like a good guy. 

[extrahammer]

9 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

The phrase "pick your battles" comes to mind. This sounds like a really short sighted flex thats in danger of turning a profitable relationship into a liability. 

 

It does, if I was Pat I wouldn't pay the extra cash to use the logos because he's really just getting started on the FanDuel deal and the show has been a massive success, I would prioritize his business and continuing to invest in the growth and people who have helped build it with him, which he seems to be doing. Plus it would be fun to refer to them as the Professional American Football League as poking fun at them. 

[Coffeesforclosers]

2 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

McAfee is the one being short sighted threatening to disclose NFL secrets about CTE in retaliation for having the logos pulled. 

 

And if he knows of liability around CTE and has kept his mouth shut, but is threatening to damage the NFL over a logo despite, I don't know how he looks like a good guy. 

 

He's a smart, self made media personality who also has a *****ton of access to players.

 

He fired a shot across the NFL's bow, so they know he's not going to curl up like a little B word. 

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

McAfee is the one being short sighted threatening to disclose NFL secrets about CTE in retaliation for having the logos pulled. 

 

And if he knows of liability around CTE and has kept his mouth shut, but is threatening to damage the NFL over a logo despite, I don't know how he looks like a good guy. 

If this is serious I honestly have no reply.

[DrDawkinstein]

9 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

McAfee is the one being short sighted threatening to disclose NFL secrets about CTE in retaliation for having the logos pulled. 

 

And if he knows of liability around CTE and has kept his mouth shut, but is threatening to damage the NFL over a logo despite, I don't know how he looks like a good guy. 

 

Its not that he knows secrets. It's that he's completely avoided any negative topics in an effort to only promote and befriend the NFL. All he is saying is, if they are going to be petty, then maybe the very popular show will start having more discussions about the tough topics that surround the NFL.

5 minutes ago, extrahammer said:

 

It does, if I was Pat I wouldn't pay the extra cash to use the logos because he's really just getting started on the FanDuel deal and the show has been a massive success, I would prioritize his business and continuing to invest in the growth and people who have helped build it with him, which he seems to be doing. Plus it would be fun to refer to them as the Professional American Football League as poking fun at them. 

 

I mean, that is really his only choice. He'll end up having to pay to use them. I see the "threats" as more negotiating through the media. Letting the NFL know that he has at least a little leverage in this.

 

 

Edited November 1, 2022 by DrDawkinstein

[NewEra]

16 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

As someone who deals with licensing, and branding everyday in my line of work I actually think Pat is in the wrong here. 

 

Being able to use NFL team logos in content you generate for your show isn't the same thing as paying a licensing fee for footage. 

 

The deals that the networks pay to show games and highlights is orders of magnitude more than what Pat is paying for highlights, and most certainly includes logo usage.

 

How much do you think the NFL would charge for you to put team logos on shirts and sell them? And do you think you would be able to do that if you paid a licensing fee for highlight footage?

 

When Pat's show uses team logos in the graphics they generate, it's original content that they are creating for a show that generates them millions of dollars. 

 

So there should be an additional fee for logo usage. 

 

But where I think Pat is really running into dangerous territory is when he threatened to focus on untold NFL liability due to CTE in a way to damage the NFL. 

 

If he knows about underhanded practices by the NFL and hasn't said anything bc he's profiting off of the sport, but only threatens to spill the beans when his bottom line is effected, he's looks like a slime ball imo. 

Looks like we’ll just have to wait and see what kind of a slime ball is and if the public agrees.  His views and subs will surely dip if this is fact

[Saxum]

2 hours ago, Mynamemike said:

Yeah the boys are doing alright when it comes to their bank accounts.  Now Pat’s doing gameday on Saturdays and I think he’s still involved with WWE doing their commentary so he’s pretty good I’d imagine. 
 

 

they have a lot Bills  players on for interviews which is cool too.  Players really seem much more loose during his show as compared to the normal cookie cutter interviews 

 

Not only players but coaches and front office of Bills.  I wonder how long before NFL tells coaches and front office personnel they cannot appear without additional license payment to NFL?

 

The Bills monetized Bills Mafia reducing support of Bills Backers groups who have supported them for 30+ years (we got a Bills Mafia flag this year rather the box of items they used to send) and NFL is being same way monetized whatever they can and dissing those who supported them.

Actually thinking of stepping down from Backers Group due to attitude change of teams and NFL.

 

[Golden*Wheels]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

I think it is more likely the Graphics that the logos are on is their Fanduel betting stuff.  

 

I am positive the NFL is seeing that nice new 30M a year contract and saying yep we need our piece.

Amazingly, while they seem to often talk ABOUT betting, they also seem to push their sponsor a lot less than the NFL itself does every Sunday! Thank god!

[Saxum]

2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Cool that is their RIGHT. He can ask how much is the upgrade and we’ll then pay it to for USE of NFL materials. 
 

Capitalism Baby. 
 

why Should NFL Let ANYONE profit off their items without that fee? 

 

NFL is going to cut off their nose to spite their face.

Just now, Golden*Wheels said:

Amazingly, while they seem to often talk ABOUT betting, they also seem to push their sponsor a lot less than the NFL itself does every Sunday! Thank god!

 

My attitude is I will mute in broadcast and fast forward with videos any such reference.

I am expecting they will go to split screen with games when they see not enough people paying attention.

[PrimeTime101]

2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Pay the fee or don’t use NFL products. That simple. Stop crying about it Simp. 

I actually agree with this statement. who gives a damn. pay the fee. what he makes even after extra fees is crazy.. and what happens to this show when the contract is up and the NFL says screw you! we not renewing your contract?

 

Then will Pat be making his millions a year doing that same show?

 

it is what it is.

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Not only players but coaches and front office of Bills.  I wonder how long before NFL tells coaches and front office personnel they cannot appear without additional license payment to NFL?

 

The Bills monetized Bills Mafia reducing support of Bills Backers groups who have supported them for 30+ years (we got a Bills Mafia flag this year rather the box of items they used to send) and NFL is being same way monetized whatever they can and dissing those who supported them.

Actually thinking of stepping down from Backers Group due to attitude change of teams and NFL.

 

Dunno for sure but I think that would have to be in the collective bargaining agreement with the NFLPA.  No way that would ever get agreed upon in todays landscape of players creating their own brands.

[Saxum]

Just now, NewEra said:

Dunno for sure but I think that would have to be in the collective bargaining agreement with the NFLPA.  No way that would ever get agreed upon in todays landscape of players creating their own brands.

 

That is why I stated coaches and front office.  Did not state players.